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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: Icelander]
    #5120699 - 12/30/05 12:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

"Yes why worry about it. I am totally serious by the way."

I never worry. I choose to act or not. Worrying is a waste of time.


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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: Icelander]
    #5120811 - 12/30/05 12:52 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Icelander said:
That sounds like a plan. :thumbup: Let us know how it works out.




i tried it for a couple years and it doesn't work out well at all. eventually your tongue dries up from the constant cottonmouth, your lungs turn to shit and you become a paranoid wreck.


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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5121020 - 12/30/05 02:48 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
Worrying is a waste of time.




Worrying can lead to beneficial results. Example: 1) A smoker may worry about getting cancer and decide to quit. 2) A parent may worry about their child playing with a knife and take it away, preventing any injury. etc. etc.

I fail to understand how anyone could completely cease to worry unless they don't give a damn about themselves or anyone else.


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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5121561 - 12/30/05 10:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, worrying shows when it's time to act. Similar to pain.


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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: Deviate]
    #5121572 - 12/30/05 10:56 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Deviate said:
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Icelander said:
That sounds like a plan. :thumbup: Let us know how it works out.




i tried it for a couple years and it doesn't work out well at all. eventually your tongue dries up from the constant cottonmouth, your lungs turn to shit and you become a paranoid wreck.




That's why I wanted him to try it.  I already knew. :wink:


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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: Icelander]
    #10135073 - 04/09/09 11:23 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Bump as I am one of the few members to have mastered the 'search' function.


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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10135080 - 04/09/09 11:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Swami? Is that you?:heart:


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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: Icelander]
    #10135091 - 04/09/09 11:28 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I preferred his old avatar :grin:


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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: deff]
    #10135104 - 04/09/09 11:33 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So did he.


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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: Icelander]
    #10136867 - 04/09/09 04:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

the zinc (cold-eez) i take say on box Homeopathic in small print and they are clinically double blind tested to decrease  duration of cold. The clinical test could be off a non homeopathic product of theirs but Im pretty sure the kind I had are the regular ones.


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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: weshroom]
    #10136880 - 04/09/09 04:39 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think the zinc levels however are not at homeopathic levels although some other ingredients are.


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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: weshroom]
    #10137713 - 04/09/09 06:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Zinc preparations that work are not homeopathic concentrations. There are NO proper double-blind studies showing the slightest hint of efficacy for any homeopathic treatment.

I'd love to be proven wrong, though.

To get some idea of what we're talking about, someone calculated the concentration in many homeopathic preparations is equivalent to a single drop of medicine in a ball of water the diameter of the solar system. The absurdity of this would be funny if not for the fact that so many people buy into this giant pile of bullshit.


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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: Diploid]
    #10137734 - 04/09/09 06:58 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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The absurdity of this would be funny if not for the fact that so many people buy into this giant pile of bullshit.




Please don't couch your true feelings behind lots of fancy words. :nono:


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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #10139632 - 04/10/09 12:10 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

it says zinc(X2) on back box in the ingredients list tho like it is homeopathic. idk, just saying what it says


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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: weshroom]
    #10139916 - 04/10/09 01:25 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, the X2 refers to how weak the solution is. X2 is 1:100 dilution.


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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: zouden]
    #10141625 - 04/10/09 12:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

From the Cold-EEZE web:

Zinc gluconate glycine (ZIGG™), the active ingredient in Cold-EEZE provides 13.3 mg of ionic zinc per lozenge

and

the Recommended Dietary Allowance for zinc is 11 mg for adult men and 8 mg for adult women

http://www.coldeeze.com/safety_information/

13.3 mg is NOT a homeopathic concentration. Homeopathic concentrations of zinc are completely useless and no proper double blind study says otherwise.

Prove me wrong. I'd love that.


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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: Diploid]
    #10144841 - 04/10/09 10:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Does it also say X2 on it? It's only because of that that I thought it was homeopathic.



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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: zouden]
    #10145365 - 04/10/09 11:47 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I dunno. I'm just going by what they say on their web. The pics of the packaging aren't clear enough to read it.

However, I looked through the provided links to studies. Two of four used on the order of 13mg doses, the third was just a summary and didn't say, and a fourth speculated that due to the interaction of saliva pH and the formulation tested, it was probable that:

that the formulation delivered an insignificant amount of the contained zinc as Zn(2)+.

and

This could account for the negative results of several clinical studies of this lozenge and similar formulations as treatment for the common cold.

Confirming by double-blind study that insignificant (read: homeopathic) zinc doses are not efficacious in treating colds.


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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: Diploid]
    #10145527 - 04/11/09 12:26 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Well, at least they're being honest :grin:


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Re: The total nonsense of Homeopathy [Re: zouden]
    #10145550 - 04/11/09 12:32 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You are just homeopathyphobic.


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