DrCamacho89 said:

MushroomTrip said:

Sharing & creating their own reality and being totally absorbed by the fullness of the situation

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Beautifully put. I miss that so much and will continue to search a way to find that again...

Here is a video that I found that really applies to my current situation and I think can be appreciated by all of us romantics floating around out there...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KUVnKz_deUA

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Awesome video, thank you sharing the link

Veritas said:

As I said, your mileage may vary.  Only time and trials will tell whether what you currently deem "true" love will live up to the high standards you've set.  Life is messy, and the understanding of that statement only comes with age and experience, IMO.

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I can only remember back to my last relationship when I said "this is true love". And then the one before that and the one before that. Of course I choose to forget I had said that to myself  each time a new "perfect" love came along. I no longer predict about romance and take things a day at a time as best I'm able.

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Of course I choose to forget I had said that to myself each time a new "prefect" love came along.

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I choose to remember all the :true loves" that I've had before... after all they're part of what brought me where I am right now

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I no longer predict about romance and take things a day at a time as best I'm able.

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bug said:

Could you elaborate on what you mean by manifestation?

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backfromthedead said:

I feel that its about finding an example of what it is in the first place. I too grew up with little love. I had an abusive father who was a shining example of what is wrong in the world today. Dude is all about money and alcohol to this day. Hard to walk that path. Seems almost the path of most resistance due to my nature, conditioning, and upbringing.

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backfromthedead said:

I find myself in the 'fuck it all' mode sometimes.  Its almost like I don't want to let go of it.  I feel that someday I might have to fight for love which I know makes no sense, if it comes down to that I need the power that 'fuck it all' brings.  Twisted I know, but I am the mischievous type.

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What do you exactly consider so twisted about it?
What exactly is the nature "of fuck it all"?... I mean... in what sense... fuck it all meaning love... or fuck it all... what?

Veritas said:

Love, in practical application, involves all the weird personality stuff we've collected over our lifetime.

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Does it? What if one experiences this love, and this experience of this love naturally acts as an effective catalyst for personal growth? Like, propose it occurs in a manner that defies all conventional thought, dare say, defies our assumed nature of space-time.

All of our weird personality stuff is always there. The paths we choose regarding our experience of reality and our mind determine how we will be effected by an experience of love of a magnificent degree, as we have been discussing. I see it no different than how we change when we have an experience of heightened awareness, especially as the love I personally refer to implies a heightened sense of awareness.

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Infatuation is what we generally call "romantic love," and it lasts about six months, or until our brains become adjusted to the new chemical "soup" in which we're soaking them. 

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This perspective of "romantic love" is much different than the way I have come to understand the concept, and the quotation I posted previously of what Wiki had to say seems to specifically make the distinction that "romantic love" is not infatuation.

Now, you state that it isn't exactly a determinate amount of time before these chemicals, which dissipate, and that the state of being described by "romantic love" will start to cease.

Is this true? Is it the chemicals creating the experience or is the experience directing the brain's chemical state? I know that this has been speculated on a lot, regarding psychiatry and everything.

What if it never "wears off"?

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  Once this chemical high fades, the real relationship begins.

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I simply cannot buy this. I think this perspective is what brings one's idealistic relationship to end, not chemicals fading away. One can consciously create their relationship with their partner, in the present moment. It sounds much more that what you describe is to begin to center oneself out of one's being and the present moment, and to start living in the mind's conception of past again. That doesn't need to happen.

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The "pure bliss" part is something that we can come back to, but only if we get out of our own way.  (Maybe the chemical infatuation helps with this initially. )

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What if we are never in our own way, or if the experience of love genuinely progresses one towards not being in the way? I don't see how one could experience love and then slump away from it, if it is true love.

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This often happens, IMO, because couples neglect to become friends as well as lovers.  Once they start to encounter obstacles, they decide that they have "fallen out of love" or that they did not have "true love" in the first place.

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I disagree. I have been in love with someone in what I think was very much romantic love in a lot of ways but not in a complete, total way, and we also are very good friends. One really appreciates the time that one has shared, and that one has only good thoughts and wishes that they have the ultimately satisfying, amazing life, even as one wasn't the person to give it to them.

I think this only demonstrates that each relationship is entirely its own entity and that these patterns and tendencies you describe simply are not the "usual" case.

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So-called romantic lovers are more likely to seek out the next "true" love, or be suddenly swept off their feet by an uncontrollable infatuation.  Then the cycle starts all over again, with the inevitable "falling out of love," disappointment, dishonesty, etc...

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Yes, the "so-called" ones do act like that. What about the ones who are actually romantic lovers?

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I'm quite a bit older than either of you, and have probably been through the "true love" cycle a few more times.

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So you have been through the "true love" cycle a few times... have you ever been through the true love cycle? Its a much different cycle, and it doesn't lead one from one to another and another, but back in with one, in every moment, again and again, deeper and deeper...

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  FWG is familiar with Ken Keyes' take on relationships, and what is possible within a partnership, so he may understand where I'm coming from on this one.

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I do not really recall what you might be referring to, but I am familiar with Handbook to Higher Consciousness and the understanding I have found through its influence on my life. It lead me on a path with the idea it gave me that one could create a path that will continually increase one's level of consciousness, as far as one would wish to immerse oneself, as quickly or as slowly as one wishes, realizing that we choose who we are and what we experience, and that choice is as free and instant as we allow it to be.

Veritas said:

Early in a relationship, we're excited and thrilled with the novelty and wonder of "falling in love," and we may not notice the effort required to remain loving until that newness has faded.  If we believe that the feeling should be enough to keep the relationship vital and growing and loving, disappointment is inevitable.

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Any relationship that we choose to experience as work and requiring effort to maintain the mutual state of being within that relationship is bound for failure. Here's your sign.

MushroomTrip said:

How can a war ever, under any circumstance; be a noble thing?

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