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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Demotriton said:
vigilant_mind said:
Demotriton said:
This is not me that speaks but the Holy Spirit speaking through me.


Alright then. If it is the Holy Spirit speaking through you, and we're assuming the Holy Spirit is omniscient, then tell me what ten digit number I have written on a piece of paper next to my computer.


"a wicked an adulterous generation seeks a sign, but no sign will be given it except the sign of Jonah."


Then give me the sign of Jonah. I want it, now.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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Demotriton said:
"Why do you attack my son? Is it his fault that he loves you and wishes you salvation? Is not my greatest commandment to Love one another? Why then do you treat him so?"


I don't know who you are quoting.

The truth causes division. Would it be loving for me to keep silence while you are stuck in a bog of false doctrine?

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: vigilant_mind]
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:boxerface:

Will this do?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: fivepointer]
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Yeah! What you said.:thumbup:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Icelander]
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I never thought I'd find myself rooting for fivepointer, but in a battle between two close-minded fundamentalists, I like to see the pro putting the amateur in his place.


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Sinbad]
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Sinbad said:
Although i agree with your position. You are breaking the rules of the forum again. :rolleyes:


I was discussing the idea that the other poster proposed for discussion. I appreciate your perspective on the matter but do not agree with it. The poster chose to outline for discussion aspects of themself and I gave my outlook on that content that he posted. You state that I'm breaking the rules again but I am not aware of a first time. :shrug:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Silversoul]
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Silversoul said:
I never thought I'd find myself rooting for fivepointer, but in a battle between two close-minded fundamentalists, I like to see the pro putting the amateur in his place.


I second that.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: fireworks_god]
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Making insinuations as the to persons mental health is a direct personalism, and against the forum rules. Whether or not you forumlated your opinons based upon what the poster said is irrelevant. You must direct your responses to the posters content, not the poster him/herself. I wonder why you are a mod if you cannot uphold the simple rules of the forum.


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Sinbad]
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Sinbad said:
Making insinuations as the to persons mental health is a direct personalism, and against the forum rules. Whether or not you forumlated your opinons based upon what the poster said is irrelevant.


It is not a question of whether or not I formulated my opinion on what the user posted, but the fact that they specificially proposed that aspect of their nature for discussion. The poster made this comment:

Demotriton said:
I have absolutly no authority of my own. I am only doing what God is telling me to do.


He expresses an aspect of himself and offers his explanation for it. I propose an alternate point of view on why he might be experiencing this phenomenon of not making choices, but being acted through - some sort of identity complex.

It is not a personalim attack - it is a continuation of the discussion of an idea that the poster himself proposed for discussion. I realize you fail to make this distinction. I interpret the rules to mean that idea-orientated discussion is the purpose and intent of this forum whereas directing comments towards the poster themself is not. As I was directly responding to the idea that was presented, and my response pertained to that idea only, it is not in violation of any forum rules, guidelines, or intent.

This is my interpretation of the situation and of the rules and guidelines. You may feel free to discuss the matter with myself through private messages, or to contact another staff member through pm's or the support ticket system if you feel like doing so.

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I wonder why you are a mod if you cannot uphold the simple rules of the forum.


If I felt that I was engaging in activity that was in violation of the rules of the forum which I was moderating, then I would not engage in such activity. If you have a legitamate concern in regards to my moderation then feel free to direct it through the appropriate avenues.


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: fireworks_god]
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You are providing many justifications, this is a bad sign to begin with.Anything can be thought of as an offering of how things work for an individual poster, that does not give you the right to question anyones mental health based upon what they say. It is a direct personalism. He did not offer up aspects of his/her mental health for analysis, he offered up a presentation of his/her faith and belief, to which you directed your response at the individual him/herself. I could understand if he/she posted in the phys/mental health section, and asked for an analysis. This was not the case, and you acted out of turn with the rules.

For instance, if i said i was a good person, that is pertaining to an aspect of my mental health, but does not give anyone the right to direct a reply insinuating that i need medication. That is not directed at the 'idea' but at the poster him/herself.


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Sinbad]
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P&S tag team Sat night wrestling.

Fivepointer VS Demotriton

      And

Fireworksgod VS Sinbad.


Where's the popcorn.:thumbup::laugh:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Sinbad]
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Sinbad said:
Anything can be thought of as an offering of how things work for an individual poster, that does not give you the right to question anyones mental health based upon what they say. It is a direct personalism. He did not offer up aspects of his/her mental health for analysis, he offered up a presentation of his/her faith and belief, to which you directed your response at the individual him/herself. I could understand if he/she posted in the phys/mental health section, and asked for an analysis. This was not the case, and you acted out of turn with the rules.


He stated that he believes that he does not choose to act, but rather that God acts through him.

Now, this forum is for open discussion of ideas presented. Would it be acceptable to question that God actually talked to him? Clearly. I questioned the validity of his statement by proposing an alternate explanation for the nature of this phenomenon, that he might simply have an identity complex in which aspects of himself are disassociated from others, and he subsequently acts under the impression that something else is choosing his actions.

It is a valid point raised in response to a valid idea presented for discussion.

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For instance, if i said i was a good person, that is pertaining to an aspect of my mental health, but does not give anyone the right to direct a reply insinuating that i need medication. That is not directed at the 'idea' but at the poster themselves.


This is not an apt analogy. If you proposed that you were a good person and I questioned that your statement was true, then it might more resemble this specific circumstance.


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Sinbad]
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Sinbad said:
He did not offer up aspects of his/her mental health for analysis


He did offer up aspects of the process by which his decisions and choices are determined, now didn't he? He proposed his theory for the nature of this process and I questioned it by proposing an equally plausible explanation.

That's open discussion. That's why we are here - to discuss the ideas that we present. You are proposing that I was not discussing the idea presented, but instead directing comments agansit the poster presenting them. The poster presented an idea for discussion - the fact that it pertained to an aspect of themselves is irrelevant. Perhaps you are either misinterpreting this situation or the rules you are referring to.


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: fireworks_god]
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Lets review what you actually said:

"I think you have developed an identity complex. I think they have medicine for that, but it would probably be better to choose to go through some sort of path towards becoming aware of oneself and one's nature in order to dissolve one's contorted sense of identity. :grin:

This is so obviosuly a direct personalism that i really don't know why you are trying to sugar coat it with your psuedo-logical justifications.


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Sinbad]
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A qualification for modship is never admitting wrongdoing.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
A qualification for modship is never admitting wrongdoing.


Indeed :rolleyes:


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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: fivepointer]
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The sign of Jonah is that on the 3rd day the son of man will rise again.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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That's just a statement, not a sign.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: vigilant_mind]
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The deeper I go in my walk with Christ the more signs & wonders I see that I could not see before. Like the sun spinning and emitting rainbow colors of light. Certain stars shooting out rays of light with the love of God emitting from them. I hear of testimonies of the dead being raised, the crippled, the blind, and all sorts of ailments healed by the power of God through the faithful. Jesus is alive in spirit among us. Look for him, & you will see him.

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Re: Want to go to heaven? God can Help [Re: Demotriton]
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"Like the sun spinning and emitting rainbow colors of light. Certain stars shooting out rays of light with the love of God emitting from them."

How do you know this is from God and not some chemical disturbance in your brain? Many "Pentacostals" are claiming great signs and wonders, but just examine the doctrine they bring, anyone who knows the gospel knows these are deceivers.

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