fivepointer - If God loved someone He would love them and not send them to hell. Why would God, who knows all events, see millions not choosing Him, being headed for hell, and yet He creates them knowing their end? Why not just not allow them to come into existence in the first place? Scripture asserts all events are ordained by God to come to pass, and nothing happens by chance. God does not merely see future possible events, but actually ordains all events according to His own will.
Demotriton - Love cannot exist without freedom of choice. I will tell you a secret, when someone chooses Hell, they separate themselves from God, since God is all that exists, they no longer exist, if they don't exist than their existence in the first place was an illusion, it was if they never existed, God does create everything from nothing, some nothing manifests into something, some nothing stays nothing, so it was never created, it only appeared to exist to those that exist. Those that exist are joined to the True God by faith. Jesus came so that we might know who the true God is.
fivepointer reply - Thankfully God changes the hearts of Fallen men and saves them. The notion of absolute free will is an old heresy called Pelagianism. Fallen man has no freedom of choice, his will is bound by Satan, and his mind blind to spiritual truth. You doctrine denies original sin and the Fall and its effects on man. Men are already born condemned and separated, they do not "choose" this, this is the state they are in due to original sin. No choice is required, man is born spiritually dead.
Do you believe that the unconverted will spend an eternity under God's wrath, or that they cease to exist?
fivepointer - Each and every one for whom God intends to save will be saved, since He has ordained it to be. Your scheme is saying the men have an inherent ability to be pleasing to God (ex. allowing to be transformed), and this meritorious action combined with grace brings someone into salvation.
Demotriton - For one thing this has nothing to do with me, I make mistakes trying to proclaim God's word, but the fact I make mistakes has nothing to do with the TRUTH that JESUS is our ONLY means of salvation. All who have faith in JESUS will be saved, if you want to be saved come to JESUS, repent of your sins, and ask him to enter your life, do this every day until he comes & you will be saved.
fivepointer reply - Faith in which "Jesus"? Many abound today. The Arminian one? the Morman one? the Roman Catholic one? The Gnostic one? All describe a different "Jesus" and God. You say one has to "come to JESUS, repent of your sins, and ask him to enter your life, do this every day until he comes", isn't this salvation by your own efforts? Isn't salvation about belief of the gospel, which is by the imputed righteousness of Christ, apart from personal efforts?
fivepointer - You have reason to boast, your action of acceptance is what separates you from a lost person.
Demotriton - I have no reason to boast of myself only what JESUS has done for me.
fivepointer reply - But you believe the reason that Jesus did something for you was that you met the conditions required. Only those who come with nothing get saved, not those who can meet conditions.
fivepointer - Notice how Christ's atonement alone ceases to be the ground of salvation, but personal merit plus Christ's atonement is the ground. You are ignorant of God's righteousness which demands perfection. Works of sinners CAN NOT enter into salvation in any way shape or form. To believe otherwise is to deny the gospel entirely.
Demotriton - Romans 3:23 For ALL have sinned & fall short of the Glory of God.
What personal merit could we possibly have? when it is impossible for men to be saved without God. Together with God we can be saved, but first we must deny our own works, and accept God's works into our life.
fivepointer reply - You say "Together with God" we can be saved. This is the scheme of cooperative salvation, which is denial of salvation by grace, and a denial of the gospel.
fivepointer - If a person's sin is atoned for then the person is justified. How can God exact double punishment for the same sin (once on Christ, and once on the sinner)? Mercy is given despite what a person does not because what a person does, it is the difference between salvation by works vs. salvation by grace. Your "gospel" is salvation by works.
Demotriton - James 2:18 Nevertheless a certain one will say "you have faith & I have works. Show me your faith apart from your works, & I will show you my FAITH BY MY WORKS."
-good works is a SIGN of faith
fivepointer reply - True, good works are an evidence of salvation. But the faith itself also is an evidence, NOT A CAUSE, of salvation. The cause is the grace of God.
The doctrines you are declaring are opposed to the true gospel. 
Demotriton - What exactly are you trying to do my brother? Are your intentions to PROVE me wrong & you right? or to help others find salvation.? I posted here to bring the truth of salvation to others, if only we would care more about others salvation rather than trying to say I'm right your wrong, it looks to me like we are saying the same truths but lets try & match our intentions with God's and not our own.
fivepointer reply - I am saying your "Jesus" is different from the one I believe in. The doctrines you are bringing are contrary to the true gospel.
Another poster - Dude, before you proceed, stop and check your presumption at the Presumption Desk. Firstly, you seem to be assuming that YOU are the only Christian on this forum. Secondly, you....
Demotriton - Something I should testify is, God often speaks to me when I read the bible, showing me the meaning he wants me to get out of scripture, he has showed me how he creates out of nothing, he has told me his will and much of his plan for salvation. Last night after I posted on here, he revealed himself to me like he never has before, he says there isn't enough time for conversion just by me speaking his word, he wants to work miracles so that you may believe that JESUS! JESUS! JESUS is THE SON OF GOD. ONLY THROUGH HIM CAN ANYONE EVER HAVE SALVATION. The explanation of this is FAR to complicated for our mortal minds to understand, he has shown me things which can not be expressed in any words here on earth. He has SHOWN me things which would bring the PROUDEST to shame. PLEASE I want all of you to be brought into existence. LOVE JESUS come to JESUS, can it be any more simple than that? Who knows more us or God? Please TRUST God and not yourselves. I speak for God, HE asked me to come on here and speak the truth he spoke to me. this was HIS idea, not mine. You should be more focused on JESUS which is where the real truth is coming from, instead of focusing on disproving his servants. The world as we know it WILL undergo a radical transformation in a VERY short period of time. We do not have time to dispute over the truth. Please turn to JESUS, REPENT, all of us are sinners, including myself, turn to JESUS, I am proclaiming HIS name, HIS works, forget about me, listen to JESUS. The only reason JESUS sent me here to speak his name, is because many here do not believe in him, so he sent me as to try and bring you to him. Accept JESUS as your savior and you WILL understand what JESUS is trying to say through me.
I may not be the only christian here, but I belong to JESUS and not to myself.
fivepointer reply - You say "ONLY THROUGH HIM CAN ANYONE EVER HAVE SALVATION", yet you stated earlier that there are many paths to God, so which is it? You say God speaks to you, how does this happen, do you hear a voice? If you can't show from the scriptures a doctrine, then how do I know what you are saying is true? How do I know that "world as we know it WILL undergo a radical transformation in a VERY short period of time"? This may just be your imagination you have no scripture to back it up.
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If you dropped this God word it would make things a little easier as far as knowing where you're really coming from. If I remember your other posts you seemed a little fundamentalist to me. 
Either way I like where this thread has been and is going, hopefully neither he nor anyone else will get offended and start a flame war like what happens in 90% of these type of posts that I've seen. So far we've all played nicely! 
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