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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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question about Luke 19:27
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19:26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.


Why would Jesus tell his followers to slay his enemies? Obviously I'm assuming there is deeper meaning behind this, but shouldn't he, Jesus, with his great awareness, have foreseen all the violence that a statement like this could potentially cause? It allowed people to justify violent acts against those they percieved to be non Christians. Or am I wrong here?

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Re: question about Luke 19:27 [Re: porcupine]
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That was part of a parable that Jesus was telling. I'm not sure what the meaning of those words was, but Jesus was not the one saying it; he was telling the story of a king who said it.


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Today while walking up the stairs
I met a man who wasn't there
He wasn't there again today
Oh how I wish he'd stay away

Edited by flower_child (02/03/07 05:51 PM)

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Re: question about Luke 19:27 [Re: porcupine]
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The NIV Bible says of Luke 19:26 that: "Those who seek spiritual gain in the gospel, for themselves and others, will become richer, and those who neglect or squander what is given them, will become impoverished, losing even what they have." A possible meaning IMO.

Of 19:27 it says: "Perhaps a reference to Jerusalem's destruction in A.D. 70. The punishment of those who rebelled and actively opposed the king (v. 19:14) was much more severe than that of the negligent servant."Peake's Commentary on the Bible gave a rather unimpressive historical interpretation.

Suffice to say that given the gist of the nature of Agape love and forgiveness, the literal sense of slaying one's enemies is utterly and completely contradictory. Thus, 19:27 cannot be taken as any literal directive by Jesus any more than hating one's family in Luke 14:26. If anything, this is colorful midrashic language which shocks the reader into a shift of perspective. The comfort of familial relationships with their natural compromises to keep the peace, must be radically challenged. The Kingdom of Heaven is more important than the comfortable, soulful life in the family. The Kingdom is a shift to life in the Spirit. Matthew 10:24-36 speaks to 'bringing not peace, but
a sword' into family life. I would choose to see this 'apparent' act of violent aggression as symbolic as 14:26 or 19:27.

I believe that universal ideas which manifest in most world religions can be distilled out of their seemingly different cultural clothing and utilized to lend further understanding to parables of the New Testament. I draw upon knowledge of different religious traditions, comparative mythology and Jungian methodology. To understand

Like the 'Sword of Discriminating Mind' that wrathful Tibetan deities (of Compassion!!) wave overhead (like Mahakala), we have parallel meanings in Biblical writ. I have personally experienced the severence of 'soulful' ties with my late atheist mother, late ostensibly Jewish (but Masonic) father, and culturally Jewish brother, step-sister, aunts, uncles and cousins. The severence was like cutting psychic umbilicals to their cultural and naturalistic way of being-in-the-world. Any literal understanding of Jesus despatching His enemies, rather than forgiving His enemies, is NO understanding of The Way of Christ.To see Jesus as inciting bloodshed is a non sequitur:

["Etymology non sequitur: Latin, it does not follow
1 : an inference that does not follow from the premises; specifically : a fallacy resulting from a simple conversion of a universal affirmative proposition or from the transposition of a condition and its consequent
2 : a statement (as a response) that does not follow logically from or is not clearly related to anything previously said"].

Another possibility is that 19:27 is an 'insertion' by the author of the Gospel According to Luke. There are many notable examples in the NT, some of which are brilliant examples of moral philosophy (John 8:7!!!), and others which suggest multiple authors writing under the same name (e.g., Paul) and having utterly contradictory views.

Even the over-turning of the tables of the money-changers outside the Temple has Gnostic or otherwise esoteric interpretations, and that level of violence attributed to Jesus is not on the same level as Luke 19:27, taken literally.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: question about Luke 19:27 [Re: porcupine]
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19:26 For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him.

Those who are given the talents (the gospel) and are fruitful shall abound and be given more talents (these are the saved people who abound in God's gifts and fruits). Those who laid up the talent in a napkin (those who professed the gospel but never produced any abundance, thus showing they were never saved), in the end all shall be taken away from them.

19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.

The Jews are in mind here - who were the enemies to the person of Christ and enemies His gospel and truth, who hated and rejected Him and rebelled against Him, would not submit to His government, and were exceedingly angry with Him and persecuted Him, He slayed them temporally in the destruction of Jerusalem when they were slain by the sword and scattered. This also applies spiritually to all those who reject Him, who will be utterly destroyed upon His second coming and final judgment.

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