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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: curenado]
    #5247174 - 01/31/06 02:42 PM (18 years, 16 hours ago)

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curenado said:
Sure, except Markos is WRONG very wrong and evil about it too. My favorite Markos is when he is being most revealing.





Can you please clarify how Markos is wrong? Where is he incorrect?


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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: spud]
    #5247217 - 01/31/06 02:54 PM (18 years, 16 hours ago)

It is not only a well known matter of history, both sacred and secular, (really, everybody knows...) it is also not losable, deniable or forgeable because it is in the very spelling of the text and evident in the passages and if Markos was really a jew he would most certainly and obviously know that and at least choose not to comment on the subject if he didn't like the truth. That doesn't mean it's not the truth.
Marko's arguments about acorus calamus come from other, out of date sources because even the enemies of legalization have given up on the poor pathetic "acorus calamus" hype-thingy, which was a "mushroom swindle" that occured some time ago. It couldn't hold up at all, and only actually won converts and made people actually more aware....a propaganda back-fire.


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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: curenado]
    #5247233 - 01/31/06 02:57 PM (18 years, 16 hours ago)

"You offer for sacrifice and you offer for the people, but the incense offering is for joy alone."
:psychsplit:


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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: curenado]
    #5247261 - 01/31/06 03:03 PM (18 years, 15 hours ago)

So far you haven't been able to provide a single shred of evidence disputing any claim Markos made. I am also a Jew, and a student of theology. The incenses most commonly referred to in the bible were either frankincense and myrrh. A simple reading of the scriptures accompanied with a historical context will illustrate this. My father was once a Rabbi, he also agrees. My cousin still is a Rabbi, he also agrees.

You and blaze are making a huge leap of wishful thinking.


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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: curenado]
    #5247828 - 01/31/06 05:31 PM (18 years, 13 hours ago)

Actually, you haven't the slightest idea of what you're talking about - particularly with your scholarly "hype-thingy" and "mushroom scandal" reference. If you're referring to Dan Merkur's theses about 'psychedelic shewbread,' and 'psychedelic manna from heaven,' then that proves my point. My own data comes from conservative Biblical scholars that I first encountered in an old and recognized Methodist seminary in the mid 1970s to the present. So scathing was the reference to Calamus, that the conservative Peake's Commentary on the Bible, Black & Rowley, eds., 1976, saw fit to leave it out of the formula for Holy Anointing Oil! Why?, because they 'knew,' and yet they sought to obscure a certain truth from new generations of Christian scholars.

As for your attack on my personhood with regard to my Jewish roots, not to mention being "evil" (the two have often been equated historically and thus YOUR tradition appears obvious) you are in direct violation of the rules of this forum. I don't take kindly to emotionally unstable individuals who make unsubstantiated blanket statements ("really, everybody knows") as if you know everybody. That kind of language reveals a strong psychological complex ('nobody,' everybody' - uncritical, inflated and impossible) on your part, not a corrective. My perspective is completely opposed to Literalist or Fundamentalist belief which was and is held by the mainstream spiritual-materialism implemented by the Mithras-worshipping monster Emperor Constantine. Christianity that descends from him is the organization of true evil behind every atrocity ever committed in the name of Christ, and behind every intolerant bigot who calls himself a Christian, whether he wears white hooded sheets, kills abortion doctors, hates Jews, or who simple believes (as a simpleton would believe) that only HIS version of HIS religion is right and true. And to which side do you think YOU belong in this scheme - among the ranks of spiritual free-thinkers and espousers of tolerance and freedom of religious experience?


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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5248999 - 01/31/06 09:57 PM (18 years, 9 hours ago)

Excellent! For more on this topic, look at the 12 hours lecture by Chris Bennett over at The Burning Shiva Hour at Pottv.com and see what all there can be said for marijuana in the bible - and all of the intentional mistranslations. Furthermore, there are three very long documentaries that would shut up even the most jaded anti-marijuana spokeshole christian.

Learn and educate yourself.


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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5249041 - 01/31/06 10:03 PM (18 years, 8 hours ago)

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Nomadic Arabs may have used hashish (they were all Pagans then), Greeks added narcotic and hallucinogenic herbs to their wines (which had to be diluted 20:1 sometimes or death could result), but the Hebrews left no evidence for recreational inebriation.



No recreational inebriation??? Remind me what Jesus' first miracle was...


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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: Silversoul]
    #5249332 - 01/31/06 11:07 PM (18 years, 7 hours ago)

:drunk:


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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: Silversoul]
    #5250144 - 02/01/06 05:31 AM (18 years, 1 hour ago)

Correction acknowledged. But...the wedding at Cana is a New Testament story written in Greek and not exactly a record of Hebrew culture and ritual. The drinking of a cup of wine between prayers on Passover is a ritualized inebriation, not a recreational one. Actually, I was thinking of there being no evidence for cannabis use in Hebrew documents, but I was not clear, so thanks for 'honing the edge'  :wink:.


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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: macpro]
    #5250189 - 02/01/06 06:06 AM (18 years, 53 minutes ago)

I only have time for the first 9:11 (!) minutes/seconds of the kaneh-bosm talk. Next to the obvious Charlie Mansonian influence of the speaker ("Hitler levelled the karma of the Jews." - C. Manson) equating ethnic cleansings of the Hebrews with the those of the Germans, and equating Nazism with Zionism, that bit of stoned, uncritical, non-discriminating thought goes together with the assertion at the end of the talk that Hebrews gleaned "Wisdom" from cannabis use. Hebrew priestcraft did not derive from shamanic practices unless one wants simply to connect ancient Hebrews with humankind in general, which developed shamanism in Neolithic times. That is just to general to make a cultural connection.

I used cannabis regularly and at times compulsively from 1969 though the early 1980s. Concurrently I was studying philosophy (love of wisdom), theology and psychology. If I had acquired any Wisdom through being stoned, I would probably be using cannabis still. Despite its occasional pleasurable states, the side-effects were far more apparent than anything even remotely related to Wisdom - of how to 'Be' and how to conduct oneself with others, or how to connect with Deity. If ever I was changed, radically, to the core of my values, it was through a psychedelic experience through indole and/or catechol psychedelics, not cannabis (not any type of bhang, ganja, charas, kif, hashish, red oil or a combination thereof, through smoking, vaporizing or eating). But that is just my experience, and that is how I select to weigh in favor of the original assertion of calamus over cannabis. Cannabis has never approached awe in me let alone Holy Awe. I can conjecture the same for ancients. Stoned, red-eyed, forgetful, giddy Hebrew priests just doesn't ring true.


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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5250642 - 02/01/06 10:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Have you never read the covenent the Lord made to Moses, and to all the people of Israel upon leaving the wilderness for the Promised Land. Well here it is then. If you truly believe in God then one must believe he would never punish his chosen people less they had stirred up the rage themselves...

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1And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:

2And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.

3Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.

4Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.

5Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.

6Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.

7The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.

8The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

9The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.

10And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee.

11And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

12The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.

13And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:

14And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.

15But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

16Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.

17Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.

18Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.

19Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.

20The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.

21The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.

22The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.

23And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.

24The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

25The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.

26And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.

27The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.

28The LORD shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:

29And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.

30Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.

31Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.

32Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand.

33The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:

34So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

35The LORD shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.

36The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.

37And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the LORD shall lead thee.

38Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.

39Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.

40Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.

41Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.

42All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.

43The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.

44He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.

45Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:

46And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.

47Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;

48Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.

49The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;

50A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:

51And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.

52And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

53And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the LORD thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:

54So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:

55So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.

56The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,

57And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.

58If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, THE LORD THY GOD;

59Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

60Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.

61Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the LORD bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.

62And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the LORD thy God.

63And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it.

64And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

65And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:

66And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life:

67In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.

68And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you.


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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: blaze2]
    #5250660 - 02/01/06 11:07 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

God seems to mean it does he not?




And I know what you mean Markos about weed generally be a negative thing when used compulsivly. up until jan2 I had been baked for near 2 years everyday all day. Believe me that I now it is wrong in those ways.

That said, the pure happiness it brought me, well I would call that divine. A muddled happiness assuradly, but it was still pure overpowering happiness. Worldly cares mean nothing, in a sense it is a feeling of goodness towards man. A feeling of Christ if you will. When you get high like I did it becomes so normal that you cease to function only when sober, It becomes infinately easier to see how a priest(who would be getting high like I did, all day every day) could function perfectly fine. I doubt you will remember tho it being so long since you last were high reguarly.

I had no idea you were so old(no offense man), I would not have bothered arguing with you if i had known that. You are set in your ways, and most likely have been for quite some time. THere is nothing ANYone could show you that would change your mind. And definately nothing a 21 year old can say. You have years of wisdom under your belt, and have every right to take that path. Wrong tho it may be.

So, let us agree to disagree. Neither of us is the word of God, and what we do have of his word, was written by man, for man, thus automaticly tainted. As PBS likes to say "be more openminded". Peace

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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: blaze2]
    #5251159 - 02/01/06 01:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

<<So far you haven't been able to provide a single shred of evidence disputing any claim Markos made.>>
There is TONS of physical evidence disputing completely what Markos said. YOU are trying to deny the truth and preach a lie.

<<I am also a Jew, and a student of theology. The incenses most commonly referred to in the bible were either frankincense and myrrh. A simple reading of the scriptures accompanied with a historical context will illustrate this.>>

Actually, if you are a jew, you will see quite clearly that it is in fact included in the temple recipes, so you ought to look.

<<My father was once a Rabbi, he also agrees. My cousin still is a Rabbi, he also agrees.>>
Then they ought to consider going to hebrew school and hebrew university. A PERSONAL HONK does not constitute fact, history or "rightness" -
You can see it clearly on Jewish coins among other things and really, I think you are just playing about being a jew or you are very distant from whence you came...Why speak blasphemy against the word of God just to please SOME men and try to back up some meshuga zonah? I mean...if you are a jew. I thought that meant "God First".....didn't it once?

<<You and blaze are making a huge leap of wishful thinking.>>

No, sorry little brother. It is you and Markos the false prophet who are making all the wishes - it will not avail you. You false tower of falsely righteous hippocrasy fell decades ago.
You really need an honest Jewish education and especially some actual history.
Why don't you search these things out truthfully before you start blaspheming and making "self comforting lies" - they won't be forsaken because of your treachery, but you might.
Are you trying to say this because of the "if they aren't jews then they aren't worthy of truth.." et all?
If you are really a Jew - I'm astonished that you are playing this game! For what? How can you hope to wibn against the Word of God and Truth?

Quit trying to tear at my maturity and credibility just because you are wrong and ignorant of your own faith and people.

Everyone already knows about Markos. He only fools teeny boppers. You must be some Jew! Your friend is a false and blaspheming idolator - and brags about it!
More evidence of your Jewishness? Your loyalty to God and the Word?

Fool who you can - but you can't fool me :smile:
Or other people who look and think for themselves...


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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: curenado]
    #5251447 - 02/01/06 03:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hey, can we chill with the name calling please? I mean "false prophet" I can live with (because if you were correct, G-D would have struck me down long ago), but a "false prophet" to "teeny boppers?!!!" I mean, give me some credit! What kind of evil value do I have in this world if I can only influence gullible little "teeny boppers?!!" That's a low blow - and from such a holy and esteemed individual as yourself - that really smarts  :smirk:.
Ya know...you fundamentalists are no 'fun' at all, but you sure are 'mental.'


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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: blaze2]
    #5251528 - 02/01/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

'If > then' statements apply to pure logic, not to subjectively held 'beliefs' in the actions of an Aristotelian Abolute Cause, i.e., G-D. The 'mechanics' of spiritual cause-effect; determinism-free will, G-D's Will-Karma, freedom-necessity, etc. have all be amply spoken for and all remain as possibilities. However, your statement:

If you truly believe in God then one must believe he would never punish his chosen people less they had stirred up the rage themselves...

is a matter of you having chosen to believe that this postulate is absolute, invariant and therefore, 'law.' I hold all of the above possibilities and further, I hold that opposite positions can apply simultaneously, without contradiction. Divine mechanics can be nothing less than paradoxical because they are transrational and transcendental. Please do not affirm that such mechanics operate by pure logic and that 'if' I believe in G-D, 'then' I must hold to the same singular possibility that you hold to be absolute. There is nothing logical about the stories pertaining to YHWH in the Old Testament writings. He is an irrascible, tribal deity; an Oriental despot requiring genocide and jealously demanding Divine Ass-Kissing (showing Moses His 'back portion' lest His countanence annihilate poor Moses like the True form of Zeus incinerated Semele who begged Zeus to reveal His countanence to her).

I grok the midrash behind much of the writings, but I'm a 21st century human being who is capable of selecting high ethical principles from the barbaric brutality of primitive Hebrew superstition.


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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5251846 - 02/01/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

<<Ya know...you fundamentalists are no 'fun' at all, but you sure are 'mental.'>>
I'm not a fundamentalist. That's just you trying (unsuccessfully) yet again...You need that because you have nothing else.
But doing me a favor anyway, because I use you as a student profile example!

<<but you sure are 'mental.'>>
I am smiling Markos, as per our previous struggles wherein I am still waiting for you to demonstrate in any fashion that you are not really a patient yourself that is just playing on here - but I know of course you can't - for your personal security and all that yada...heard it heard it.....
..but don't throw that "mental" stone Markos. You of all people I've met on here just aren't up to it.
I have had and still do have a challenge up for even ONE real doctor (psych or even general med) to review you and give you any real professional validity. So far, no takers!

<<I grok the midrash behind much of the writings>>
...and you know about 5 other hebrew words? That's where it fails - reading "Don't know much about the Bible" doesn't really give the "milk & meat" that is really needed. It wouldn't be for you anyway - you are onto something else....I don't care if you know everything about it or not, I'm just unwilling to let a falseness be perpetrated to the harm of others.

<<but I'm a 21st century human being who is capable of selecting high ethical principles>>

Now we are back to your ethics exactly, case in point, because in your own postings you have (thinking you were bragging something that sounded good to non-professionals, but made real professional's blood curdle..) confessed to heinous ethical violations and client abuse in the very profession to which you always claim you are a "doctor" and having a job that you could not get - ethically or factually. That's why I said all that you can fool is teeny boppers. You say stuff trying to "sound good" that one would not if they really were. That simple (and reference-able)
No kidding - do you even realise the post where you actually say you commited a real and ethical crime against a client? You thought you were making yourself sound real big, but it was ipso facto multi crime against innocent people and IF it were true (which it's not...thank God. Just your need thing...) you would be fried chicken already.
There is a very knowledgeable psychy-type person on this board that could review you? Shall we go on calling me crazy as an escape attempt? 'Nuff of that! Pretend if it makes you happy and doesn't bother shroomery - but let's not pretend about me...period.

<<ethical from the barbaric brutality of primitive Hebrew superstition.>>

Another point where you do not really open and interpret scripture, or tell the truth, but use it willy-nilly and fickle pickle - which means you are "all that" when using it for your own purposes, but "none of that" when not...a common characteristic of yours in your own posting. Another common characterisitc of yours if to make flippant statements like

<<I only have time for the first 9:11 (!) minutes/seconds of the kaneh-bosm talk>>

or it's equivalent when you are offered the proof you yourself demand - i.e. the proof is entirely dismissable to you when it proves you wrong, and you try to make pseudo-intellectual and/or pseudo-society sounding like statements to dismiss both intellect and society from daylight. That's how come it fails.

It's not about your religious beliefs - whatever they may be. It's about fairness and truth for everyone (like YOU say right?) even christians and jews.

This guy (blaze2) just said something and at it's simple root it was true. He is not "wishful" "deluded" or "crazy" or wrong - that's all.


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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: blaze2]
    #5251928 - 02/01/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You guys are arguing about things that cannot be proven either a) at all or b) to eachother.

Get over it or I'm locking this.

Edit: *high-fives MAIA* BAM!


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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: blaze2]
    #5252200 - 02/01/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

am i seeing this right? are you guys honestly arguing with markosthegnostic (markostheguywhosbeenstudyingtheologysincebeforeyouwereborn) over this stuff?

:what:

/leaves thread immediately


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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: curenado]
    #5252467 - 02/01/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"...do you even realise the post where you actually say you commited a real and ethical crime against a client? You thought you were making yourself sound real big..."

You are expressing your own paranoia, and since you are not my client and this is not a therapeutic situation, I am perfectly free to voice my assessment which is, in fact, professionally informed.

"...thinking you were bragging something that sounded good to non-professionals, but made real professional's blood curdle..) confessed to heinous ethical violations and client abuse in the very profession to which you always claim you are a "doctor" and having a job that you could not get - ethically or factually."

I do not brag. Bragging is an attempt to inflate one's self-importance. I am not socially prominent, neither do I seek recognition among my co-workers. Your's is the interpretation of someone with a fairly weak ego-structure, or an under-achiever who harbors resentment, envy or intimidation when confronted by someone in whom YOU recognize some authority in matters that interest You. Not only have I not made "heinous" breaches in professional ethics but I have not admitted to something which never happened. Feel free to search the archives and if you uncover something that YOU believe is "heinous," please repost it so I can explain it to you. You appear to sound much younger than me ("making yourself sound real big" is contextually and grammatically a vestige of childhood). Name-calling is totally juvenile. So is referring to someone as "all that" - middle school jargon.

"...the proof is entirely dismissable to you when it proves you wrong, and you try to make pseudo-intellectual and/or pseudo-society sounding like statements to dismiss both intellect and society from daylight."

What is "proof" - YOUR interpretation of scriptural writings? I am not "pseudo-intellectual" - this is more of your juvenile name-calling. I am an intellectual and a scholar in my areas of expertise. You should understand that a point of view other than the one you cling to so tenaciously does not disqualify that point of view as less real than your own. It MAY be more realistic. Just what "pseudo-society sounding like statements" means is anyone's guess.

"...I'm just unwilling to let a falseness be perpetrated to the harm of others."

Who died and made YOU boss? Self-righteousnessness priggishness is what you are about, masquerading as a true prophet while name-calling and embarrassing yourself. Guardian of the status quo, protector of the sacred stories, while secretly cherishing spiritual specialness - you best take issue with the issues and leave personal attacks out of this.


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Re: Jesus definately smoked weed, and so did the jewish priests [Re: blaze2]
    #5252777 - 02/01/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

Reason:
No more personal stuff in here. Take it to PMs.


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