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Re: Is God Real, can you prove this to me or just use your "faith" [Re: Ayahuascasoul]
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All I can see is evidence of GOD, but I cannot impart this awareness to you. Christian theology does not admit of GOD mysticism, only Christ mysticism. If you want to understand this critical difference, you'd have to read the book The Mysticism of Paul the Apostle by Albert Schweitzer. Of course, if you read Schweitzer's The Quest of the Historical Jesus, you'd see the great theologian-physician come to the conclusion that Jesus was not a historical being, but a mythologized composite of different Wisdom teachers. Books like this, read during my own seminary years over 30 years ago, plus Nag Hammadi documents, works by Elaine Pagels, Freke & Gandy, Hans Jonas, R.M. Grant, and many others, on Gnosticism, and D.M. Murdock's work on the Egyptian origins of the Jesus myth, and astrotheology in general, I have arrived at the same conclusion about Jesus as the Son of GOD. Nevertheless, the personality of Jesus as described in the canonical Bible still serves as my personal paradigm for perfected moral and mystical human development.

GOD is the code word for Ultimate Reality, and there is no denying that there is THAT which is Ultimately Real. Apparently that requires that one contemplate Eternity - something which most people simply unconsciously identify with death and the grave in their temporally-addicted minds.  Eternity, the Buddhist Void, may be no thing, but it is not nothing. The apophatic mysticism which denies any attribute of GOD is superior to the cataphatic mystical assertions about GOD being "love," or "light." Beyond GOD is the Godhead. Beyond Saguna Brahman lies Nirguna Brahman in Hindu thought.  To deny Ultimate Reality is by definition, madness. To reject anthropomorphism, the language of myth confused with the pre-eminently Real, is sophomoric at best, but denying The Real is crazy, whatever its nature.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

Edited by MarkostheGnostic (08/02/12 01:10 AM)

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Re: Is God Real, can you prove this to me or just use your "faith" [Re: Ayahuascasoul]
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Ayahuascasoul said:
Who here can prove to me that there is a God?  I was raised in a very religious home but never had a relationship with God, now I find myself questioning if there is even a God in the way many Christians believe there is. The fact that they say Jesus is the literal son of god, the fact the bible says god walked on earth with Adam and eve or the talking snake that tempted them into eating the magical fruit, and many story's of the bible. I can't come to grips with many story's like Noah and the fact he lived to be 950 years old, or the tower of babble being the reason we have different languages and dialects. It seems to me that mays Christians use the bible to strip some people of their human rights. They say homosexuality if an abomination but in the same passage so is wearing two different fabrics on your person or planting two different seeds in the same field, while the catholic priests can continue touching boys. I also find it strange that storys like dionices and mythra have the same life storys as Jesus and the fact that none of Jesues disciples witnessed his death or that John the baptist was a bigger religious figure than Jesus was in his lifetime. If the bible is the definitive work and word of God than why did he not give it to everyone and if you can't say the bible is 100 percent fact that can you say it is fact at all? What do my fellow shroomery think about this?



IMO we're all struggling to keep afloat in a sea of uncertainty. And sometimes what it takes to stay afloat is to find something certain to hold to. Lots of people do this with any number of things. Science being no exception despite the methodology itself expressly denying such a practice. The Bible was once a living, breathing story just like science. It wasn't always stagnant as it is now. But it has become the solid ground upon which many declare certainty. That's fine. For some it's the best route.

It may not be for you. It isn't for me. I prefer uncertainty and the spaciousness it brings over the fear of uncertainty and the subsequent search for certainty such a fear brings. As far as I can tell there isn't any sure thing. Not in science, not in religion, not in my head. And this of course isn't to say I am certainly rejecting the Bible, which I think is the common counter-swing after being certain of it's truth. But rather it is an uncertainty of any claim to a singular truth, including my own thoughts/feelings/doubts.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Is God Real, can you prove this to me or just use your "faith" [Re: russian_doll_fetus]
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Thank you all for all of your help, I can't see myself believing in what Christians or any organized religion believe in but we are here for a reason and we will never know so live life do good and be thankful to whatever or however we got here, peace and love........ Ps stop this silly drug war, be responsible and use moderation, god made the natural, dmt, mushies, marijuana.. Man made meth crack and jwh

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Re: Is God Real, can you prove this to me or just use your "faith" [Re: Ayahuascasoul]
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Just wanted to add the 'Law of One' perspective.

The All is one, and the One is all.

When Bashar is asked 'what is God?', he replies "All that is".

The words 'Creator' and 'Creation' are interchangeable.

Are you a part of 'All that is'?  Are you a part of 'Creation'?  Then you literally are God.  A part of God but an essential part.  All that is would not be all that is without you.

Bottom line;  time to change your definition of 'God'.  God is not something separate from you.  Separation is an illusion.

To not believe in God is to not believe in yourself.


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