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Cracka_X
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Re: Calling the Ungodly - Good News [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7471415 - 09/30/07 06:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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MushroomTrip said: Holy?
Holy Crap War?
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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Re: Calling the Ungodly - Good News [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7471606 - 09/30/07 07:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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The fact of the matter is that the bible is history, and it is the most verified historical record we have in the world.

I'd lock this thread, but it's just too entertaining...
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Re: Calling the Ungodly - Good News [Re: Middleman]
#7471780 - 09/30/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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i got this picture from a certain someone, cough cough and yeah, I feel it.
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
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Re: Calling the Ungodly - Good News [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7472692 - 10/01/07 01:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you have dreams pertinent to this conversation, I'm interested to hear them.
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Re: Calling the Ungodly - Good News [Re: fivepointer]
#7472845 - 10/01/07 03:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Is a 'good' deed, done from mal intention a 'bad' deed in the end ? So is it only discernable in the intention which lies behind the deed ? I don't know, as for me the means are what justifies the end, not vice versa.
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Re: Calling the Ungodly - Good News [Re: fivepointer]
#7472922 - 10/01/07 04:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Mods need power to give people IV DMT Hcl. Talk to me about god after you have broken through.
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Re: Calling the Ungodly - Good News [Re: BlueCoyote]
#7473003 - 10/01/07 06:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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BlueCoyote said: Is a 'good' deed, done from mal intention a 'bad' deed in the end ? So is it only discernable in the intention which lies behind the deed ? I don't know, as for me the means are what justifies the end, not vice versa.
Is pushing someone over the edge of a cliff just to be able to pull them back to safety a good or a bad deed?
I think it teaches them to stay away from you.
(This analogy really doesn't do justice to the topic but it's the best I could come up with)
Edited by Booby (10/01/07 06:58 AM)
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Re: Calling the Ungodly - Good News [Re: Middleman]
#7473131 - 10/01/07 08:36 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Middleman said:
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jonathan_206 said:
The fact of the matter is that the bible is history, and it is the most verified historical record we have in the world.

I'd lock this thread, but it's just too entertaining...
 True, that quote is really priceless. I might have to add that to my sig.
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Visionary Tools said: Mods need power to give people IV DMT Hcl. Talk to me about god after you have broken through.
I have had my fair share of psychedelic experiences, and I never did less then heroic doses. These can make you think you know a lot of things about God, and the universe. However I now know all those notions were not real. The truth has been revealed to me by the Holy Spirit revealing the Word which reveals the true God and eternal life.
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Visionary Tools said: Mods need power to give people IV DMT Hcl.
OOOoooOOooooo....! A phychedelic DMT ban-stick..... 
Yes sir, I vote "YES" on that one..... 
>^;;^<
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Re: Calling the Ungodly - Good News [Re: fivepointer]
#7474967 - 10/01/07 06:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why aren't more on here reaching the same conclusion?
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Re: Calling the Ungodly - Good News [Re: palmersc]
#7475254 - 10/01/07 07:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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fivepointer, how can you be so certain that the truth which has now been revealed to you by the holy spirit is any more true than what you learned from psychedelics? How was the truth revealed to you? Through prayer?
apologies if you've already addressed this, I haven't looked through the entire thread
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Re: Calling the Ungodly - Good News [Re: fivepointer]
#7475825 - 10/01/07 10:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Visionary Tools said: Mods need power to give people IV DMT Hcl. Talk to me about god after you have broken through.
I have had my fair share of psychedelic experiences, and I never did less then heroic doses. These can make you think you know a lot of things about God, and the universe. However I now know all those notions were not real. The truth has been revealed to me by the Holy Spirit revealing the Word which reveals the true God and eternal life.
From one trip to another ...?
I would feel more sympathetic to your view if you at least saw God as the force of blind fate. But to you there's a particular inherent merit to people that makes them favorites in His holy sight? Gimme a break, dude. The brain is a powerful mechanism - it can concoct hallucinations or doctrines, depending on what your input is. You can read life or a holy book in any way you really want to.
If God is both infinite and loving, then how could he be said to play favorites? And if people go to hell, then he as Creator must be said to feel their pain. Unless you come up with your own vision.
Imagery abounds when it comes to God, and no one image is correct. It's the attitude of the person that counts. Everyone decides what god they will serve. If you've found a god who will pull only all of your favorite friends who happen to agree with you to the same place of fluffy dreams, good for you. But your god is proved unworthy when he strikes out unprovoked. No god who is not the substance of our own being can ever really be the true God.
I have a name for the kind of god that would be... but names aren't that important.
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hallelujah!!! preechin to the choir!
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It's the attitude of the person that counts. Everyone decides what god they will serve. If you've found a god who will pull only all of your favorite friends who happen to agree with you to the same place of fluffy dreams, good for you.
Now bring this awareness over to P&S.
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EternalCowabunga said: fivepointer, how can you be so certain that the truth which has now been revealed to you by the holy spirit is any more true than what you learned from psychedelics? How was the truth revealed to you? Through prayer?
apologies if you've already addressed this, I haven't looked through the entire thread
The notions I had with psychedelics had no permanence and could change over time, they were just hunches really. The Holy Spirit permanently indwells every believer. I currently always have knowledge of the Spirit's presence and this didn’t exist before my conversion. The Bible says the Spirit itself bears witness with the believers’ spirit, that the believer knows he is one of God's children. This sounds hoaky but it is true.
The work of the Spirit is to convince of truth, and leads all God's people into a belief of the gospel. The truth is by the Word only, not my mystical experience. (Although the way the Spirit converts someone is pretty mystical.) Before conversion I could not understand scripture at all, I would try to read it, get frustrated, never come to any real understanding. After, it is like another book, like someone replaced it with something I can understand. The initial work of the Spirit in conversion is conviction of sinnership, and of righteousness. You guess you would have to experience this to know what I am talking about.
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Visionary Tools said: Mods need power to give people IV DMT Hcl. Talk to me about god after you have broken through.
I have had my fair share of psychedelic experiences, and I never did less then heroic doses. These can make you think you know a lot of things about God, and the universe. However I now know all those notions were not real. The truth has been revealed to me by the Holy Spirit revealing the Word which reveals the true God and eternal life.
From one trip to another ...?
I would feel more sympathetic to your view if you at least saw God as the force of blind fate. But to you there's a particular inherent merit to people that makes them favorites in His holy sight? Gimme a break, dude. The brain is a powerful mechanism - it can concoct hallucinations or doctrines, depending on what your input is. You can read life or a holy book in any way you really want to.
If God is both infinite and loving, then how could he be said to play favorites? And if people go to hell, then he as Creator must be said to feel their pain. Unless you come up with your own vision.
Imagery abounds when it comes to God, and no one image is correct. It's the attitude of the person that counts. Everyone decides what god they will serve. If you've found a god who will pull only all of your favorite friends who happen to agree with you to the same place of fluffy dreams, good for you. But your god is proved unworthy when he strikes out unprovoked. No god who is not the substance of our own being can ever really be the true God.
I have a name for the kind of god that would be... but names aren't that important.
Actually it is exactly the opposite to what you are saying. No one has ANY merit whatsoever. All are in the same boat, completely undeserving. The very thing you are saying that makes God wicked, unconditional election, is the very thing that proves His goodness. The fact that He saves those who have NO merits, and gives them every spiritual blessing despite this, demonstrates His goodness. Grace is despite what you do, not because what you do.
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Re: Calling the Ungodly - Good News [Re: fivepointer]
#7478521 - 10/02/07 07:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The truth is by the Word only, not my mystical experience.
hmm, I always felt what could be put into words isn't the full truth, whereas an experience, a mystical one for this instance, would contain so much ups and downs... 'truth' about one's self that it'd be difficult to describe.
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Re: Calling the Ungodly - Good News [Re: Cracka_X]
#7479424 - 10/03/07 12:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Calling the Ungodly - Good News [Re: fivepointer]
#7479450 - 10/03/07 12:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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fivepointer said: Actually it is exactly the opposite to what you are saying. No one has ANY merit whatsoever. All are in the same boat, completely undeserving. The very thing you are saying that makes God wicked, unconditional election, is the very thing that proves His goodness. The fact that He saves those who have NO merits, and gives them every spiritual blessing despite this, demonstrates His goodness. Grace is despite what you do, not because what you do.
Okay, fair enough then. I thought you spoke of merits earlier and how they determine salvation. Perhaps you were satirizing another viewpoint and it may have been the statement that really confused me. Regardless, I agree with you completely.
The only thing I found disturbing was the almost nonchalant attitude towards those who were not chosen. Perhaps, though, I still do not understand. I do appreciate the attitude you've displayed in the last couple of posts, and fear I may have judged too quickly and harshly.
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