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zorkieo
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: canid]
#6399625 - 12/23/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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found these in GGP
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: zorkieo]
#6399639 - 12/23/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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those are cyanescens. Nice finds!!
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: canid]
#6399700 - 12/23/06 04:06 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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concretefeet said: your last two photos, with thier more petite form, resemble the form i found in oregon growing in the dunes with P. azurescens somewhat aswell. they where highly variable and often, i couldn't distinguish between them and the azures or them and the cyans, except that they where never squat or robust in those particular collections. i think we've reached a place where morphology, or at least macroscopic mrphological features, especialy as interperated from photographs is of little help.
hmmm..maybe....I bet if mj posted 100 photos, 50 from Cali, 50 from Washington and mixed them up, I bet I could seperate them
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: auweia]
#6399847 - 12/23/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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a demonstration of some features: pics from today:
P. spp ['friscosa'] showing darker pigment at apex which is retained in fading and with depression at same in over 50% of mature specimens:



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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: auweia]
#6399854 - 12/23/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do you guys know if I just looked at the right specimens of fricosa? Workman just posted another one that is different???
The two Ive looked at are unlike Ps.cyanofibrillosa - unless they some how grew Pleurocystidia or Guzman and Stamets got the original description wrong. The spore shape is also really quite unique. New species unless spore compatibility tests prove otherwise Id reckon.
Workie will post some more pics soon I hope.
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: Zen Peddler]
#6399954 - 12/23/06 06:01 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Workman just posted another in the last few days?...Got a link? photo? I'm wondering about this myself because there's a couple different types of these friscosas, and I wonder if they really are different under a microscope or not. I guess that would make it a couple new species then, maybe even three
Edited by auweia (12/23/06 06:01 PM)
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pscyanescens
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: auweia]
#6400139 - 12/23/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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If it helps anyone at all. These are some pictures of what i believe are P.Cyanofibrillosa. I found them last year just above San Francisco near my usual Cyanescens hunting grounds. Hope it helps.
-definite pellicle -stiration 3/4 to center -purple brown spore prints -definite blueing around cap edges and stem -carmel colored cap drying from inside out -large caps 5-6cm -found in tall grass but in a chipped area near baby fir trees

I didn't eat them cuz I wasn't sure. Almost positive, however i will do my tests again if my cultivation efforts succeed. The best way to be positive.
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auweia
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pellicle?...I've seen pellicles on liberty caps, but not on the friscosas /cyans here in SF
I dunno, do the cyanofibrillosa of the PNW have a pellicle?
also, if you weren't sure, then why the cyanofibrillosa label on the photo?. They do look like some specimens I've seen here, but the ones I've seen that look like that don't have any pellicle
here's a couple from last year...maybe not the best example, but these didn't have any pellicle. It may look like that in the photos, but there's no thin gelatinous skin you can peel off


Edited by auweia (12/23/06 07:54 PM)
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: sui]
#6400413 - 12/23/06 08:38 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have been told most cold weather wood loving carmel capped psilocybes have a pellicle. These ones did, all my cyanescens do. I would imagine azurescens to have one. PS your pics don't look so different.
The reason for the label, is i collect pics i have taken and label them for a personal identified database. The reason i felt confident is because my mushroom mentor didn't have any other possible idea of what could be closer. "Staining Blue, Same color and texture as Cyanescens, found in the same area, same time of year" As a second source i took the pics to a local mushroom festival and as well as the prints, and the so called "experts" at the identification table reassured me of my suggested identification as cyanofibrillosa.
Until yesterday i have never heard of friscosa... So i could be wrong i suppose on my identification.
On another note, i don't trust my identifications enough to eat, until they are found in the same spots multiple times a year for repeated years and i get to do my tests on them several flushes, or unless i have been reassured by trustworthy associates who have been picking from there own spots for years. I am very very cautious and i want multiple reassuring sources before i will eat.
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auweia
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OK, you have been told most cold weather wood loving psilocybes have a pellicle, but have you ever tried to seperate the pellicle yourself?
I've tried many times, and there just ain't none...not even in the cyanescens that grow here
you need a sewing pin, and you gently stick the pin up into the side of the cap and you can seperate the pellicle when it's wet...You can even rehydrate them and do it again. I've done it many times with psilocybe semilenceata, but never with the cyanescens complex that grows around SF
you might be finding something nobody else is here in SF, that's certainly possible, but if you go back through the semilenceata archives here, you'll see a number of photos with the pellicle seperated
In fact, if you ever get a cyanescens, or cyanofibrillosa or friscosa from SF to seperate a pellicle, I would darn near pay you to post a photo of that...I would love to see that
I even remember asking people who were unsure of their local semilenceata finds to do the same thing with a pin..you slide the pin in at an angle and you pull the pellicle up, and sure enough, they did it, and posted photos...those were liberty caps
I don't think you're going to be able to do that with any psilocybe around SF
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pscyanescens said: I have been told most cold weather wood loving carmel capped psilocybes have a pellicle. These ones did, all my cyanescens do. I would imagine azurescens to have one. PS your pics don't look so different.
The reason for the label, is i collect pics i have taken and label them for a personal identified database. The reason i felt confident is because my mushroom mentor didn't have any other possible idea of what could be closer. "Staining Blue, Same color and texture as Cyanescens, found in the same area, same time of year" As a second source i took the pics to a local mushroom festival and as well as the prints, and the so called "experts" at the identification table reassured me of my suggested identification as cyanofibrillosa.
Until yesterday i have never heard of friscosa... So i could be wrong i suppose on my identification.
On another note, i don't trust my identifications enough to eat, until they are found in the same spots multiple times a year for repeated years and i get to do my tests on them several flushes, or unless i have been reassured by trustworthy associates who have been picking from there own spots for years. I am very very cautious and i want multiple reassuring sources before i will eat.
Edited by auweia (12/23/06 08:53 PM)
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: auweia]
#6400576 - 12/23/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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I plan a trip to SF real soon, and i will take some good photos for everyone real soon. Here are some more pics of cyanescens i took, i don't know what else they could be, eating just a small amount gets me going good. I was taught and shown that a pellicle is a good identification for cyans, as well as the fibbrillosas.
-PS i have succesfully sperated the pellicle from several of the mushrooms shown in my cyanfibrillosa pic i posted, as well as cyanescens. It is very think but very present.


So far my best day!!!!! All were consumed nobody got sick.
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auweia
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Edited by auweia (01/06/07 05:55 PM)
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: auweia]
#6400986 - 12/24/06 12:39 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats a decent patch - 3000+ id reckon.
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: Zen Peddler]
#6401106 - 12/24/06 01:46 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow! I cant help but to admit I'm very jealous i don't have that pic in my collection.
Just consumed some of my pick n's. Let u know how it went later.
Some of what i may be consuming.
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: auweia]
#6401108 - 12/24/06 01:47 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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auweia said: Workman just posted another in the last few days?...Got a link? photo?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6399225#Post6399225
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: CureCat]
#6401311 - 12/24/06 04:45 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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wow, what to do with so many potent mushrooms.
pick them all, dry them up, make dust, pack a jar, pop in freezer, just have a magic jar of dust for the whole year.
I wouldn't be able to handle them all myself, id have to have a LAN party or something. "hey guys, ereybody have some pastry treats. They are enchanted"
I'm not advocating LAN parties BTW
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: CureCat]
#6401503 - 12/24/06 09:35 AM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes, Curecat, I saw that. I guess bluemeanie said it might be different?...incomplete tho
If it's different enough I guess it would be two species rather than two strains of the same friscosa
they're awfully close tho. I've seen both types in the same are before, sort of melting into each other shape-wise. That's gotta be tough
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: auweia]
#6402933 - 12/27/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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these are just some pics of mushies i found in Seattle a few days before x-mas. i believe there are still a few specimens at the patch.


i saw a picture earlier in this thread that showed the same "greying" on the edge of the caps. however these have a browner colored stem than the pictures everyone else has posted.
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tahoe
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how come stamets calls fibs, cyclone in his new book. These do not produce cyclone mycelium like the fibs do in wa. So these are not like the fibs up north and they are not cyclones
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Re: Psilocybe Cyanofriscosa [Re: tahoe]
#6409374 - 12/29/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 1 month ago) |
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tahoe said: how come stamets calls fibs, cyclone in his new book. These do not produce cyclone mycelium like the fibs do in wa.
stamets does not call fibs, cyclones in his new book. they were never fibs to start with.
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These do not produce cyclone mycelium like the fibs do in wa.
(that's backwards) you ever tried to make an agar dish from washington that produced cyclone? stamets didn't either..That one pictured in the book was from California, not Washington...Come to think of it, just because you were never able to get cyclone agar from your finds, , means it doesn't exist?....you weren't missing something, tahoe?......eh?
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So these are not like the fibs up north and they are not cyclones
uh...yeah....something like that
Edited by auweia (12/29/06 10:51 PM)
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