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The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members
    #3750929 - 02/08/05 02:31 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

HEre is the latest bit of information from Dr. Guzm?n on his revised edition of the Geneus Psilocybe.

From a personal communication to me:

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My second edition on my book the genus Psilocybe is in preparation. I will take all the year in it. I am studying collections from all the world. I have now more than 200 species (in the 1983 edition were 144).



It is bad that people take my book of 1983 by internet, this a bad way and it is forbidden.




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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members [Re: mjshroomer]
    #3783223 - 02/15/05 01:54 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

why is he so biased towards people publishing (just parts i tink) on internet?

i would like to see everything regarding semilanceata


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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members [Re: ambros]
    #3783624 - 02/15/05 03:29 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

The copyright of the book belongs to the journal which published it and it is a violation of copyright laws to post other peoples coryrighted materials.

The book was originally $100.00 a copy. It is a lifetime of research for Dr. Guzman. He gets no money for the book because it is a journal publication. But uit is a vilation of the copyright law and someone posted it ont he internet.

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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members [Re: mjshroomer]
    #3783811 - 02/15/05 04:13 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I would buy a copy but it is impossible to find and I have tried for years.

I was able to get the suppliment from the publisher.


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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members [Re: mjshroomer]
    #3788821 - 02/16/05 12:44 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

if he gets no money for it and just want to spread the knowledge of his reaserch, would it be so hard to work out a deal with the publisher for making it avaible online aswell. (perhaps just the parts regarding the most common like cubensis and semilanceata)

people who buy such a book will do so anyway


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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members [Re: ambros]
    #3788976 - 02/16/05 01:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

The book is printed in 1983 and an updated new supplement was written in 1995.

Respectable scientific journals do not like their copyrighted papers on the internet. Most journals have a small printing. soemtimes only 200 copies of a journal to 2000 copies. They end up on library shelves and a few to the authors for their paper contribution to the journal.

Remember that not all knoweldge is free. Thats why people go to schools to learn about these things.

While the internet has opened the door to the spread of information, A lot is not free.

Even many sites have blocks on their images so no one can copy them.

I provide over 6000 images at my site, yet every now and then I get on someones case for using my materials without my permission.

Most respected authors do not go on line for communications of anything, except maybe to do other research or learn of other peoples most recent works.

While Funghi Pefecti has a site, evewn Paul Stamets has threatened to sue many people over the past four years for illegally using his images on the web. He does not like it. And the same with many professionals. Also some sites by professionals also carry mistakes created by other experts years before.

Two mushrooms of this situation are Panaeolina foenisecii and Panaeous sphinctrinus.

Always listed as possibly hallucinogenic, etc.

So is Psilocybe coprophila. I still see dozens of websites offereing this misinformation. Guzmans book was loaded with typos and bad English. We all hope the new edition will be improved on in those departments.

Guzman had his book on the web for four years and took it down when he began to write the updated new version.

He, as noted in the post above I made, does not like other people posting his works without permission. Not that he would give permission or not. He is mad that someone else is posting his copyrighted materials from the journal the book appeared in.

While I have posted papers I have written with Guzman, I have permission frm the publishers and him to do so at my site and a few other well known shroom sites.

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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members [Re: mjshroomer]
    #3791662 - 02/17/05 04:38 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

LOOK WHAT I MADE ALL BY MYSELF!!!!



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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members [Re: Kevin]
    #3791676 - 02/17/05 04:44 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

but witholding information for money is the basis of elitism in all of the world.


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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members [Re: Kevin]
    #3793988 - 02/17/05 05:33 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

LOL!!


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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members [Re: lesstutrey]
    #3798481 - 02/18/05 02:58 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Agreed.

Probably best that this Guzm?n character, and his product be ignored.

There's no reason someone else couldn't provide a similar product that is open liscensed.


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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #3798603 - 02/18/05 03:25 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Gast?n Guzm?n is the leading authority on the genus psilocybe, haveing written the only recognized monograph on the genera psilocybe.

He is also the leading expert on the Indians who use these mushrooms as well as the head of the Mexican mycological Society and His works appear in journal publications, Not in books of personal profits.

Of course he also has shroom ID books, but then again, All good mushroom identification books generally cost a pretty penny. There is one book on Shroom poisoning byu Rumack and Salzman which is also very expenzive.

The larger the shroom ID book (pictorials, etc.) the more expensive the shroom guides are.

Even Paul Stamets next shroom book on the Psilocybes will cost close to $50.00

Thats the cost of publishing these days.

Books are bercoming very expensive as paper products become more expensive for the consumer.

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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members *DELETED* [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5427901 - 03/22/06 12:30 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5428461 - 03/22/06 02:53 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Why on earth did you revive this thread?

I mean, i agree with you 100 percent.  DNA is irreversibly changing taxonomy, and the old ways are just that, OLD.

Like this thread used to be. :grin:


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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members [Re: remediator]
    #5428592 - 03/22/06 04:12 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

I hope the updated psilocybe list contains info on the new bay area species aka cyanofriscosa.


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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members [Re: Quankus]
    #5428825 - 03/22/06 09:01 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

i hope the book is better written than the personal corrspondence posted above.

"do not eat these mushrooms. they are bad mushrooms! bad mushroom! bad! and they are forbidden!"


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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members [Re: remediator]
    #5436942 - 03/24/06 03:29 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

sorry mate - good point


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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5436987 - 03/24/06 04:38 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

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My second edition on my book the genus Psilocybe is in preparation. I will take all the year in it. I am studying collections from all the world. I have now more than 200 species (in the 1983 edition were 144).




So, where can we buy this book?


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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members [Re: Anno]
    #5437427 - 03/24/06 09:37 AM (10 years, 8 months ago)

Hi Anno,

Guzm?n is still working on his revised monograph.

The more than 200 species is actually 227 taxa in the genera of which 144 are hallucinogenic.

Now tht does not count the other 11 families of fungi which are also psilocybian, such as Copelandia, Gymnopilus, etc.

AS for when the book will be out. I have no idea. I am sure he will let me know sometime.

And I wondered why this old thread was brought up but the info is still good. The original book was 100.00 from the publisher. And that was in 1983.

This one will probably be be even more expensive.

Aniother cool, yet expensive book was Richard Evans Scultes and Albert Hofmann's Botany and Chemistry of the Hallucinogens. That also was a $100.00 book. Now out of print and probably worth a lot on ebay.

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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5442269 - 03/25/06 11:09 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

dr. guzman's book the genus psilocybe is one of the most complete works on the specie. without dr. guzman's hard work and dedication alot of the etnomycologist today would not have the extensive knowledge of psilocybin fungi. i would like view the revised edition. hopefully it will be available through my university soon.


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Re: The Genus Psilocybe: An Update for Anno and all Members [Re: asci]
    #5442437 - 03/25/06 11:54 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

sorry mate but i dont agree at all - for the reasons ive stated above.
When proper DNA mapping or izozyme compatibility studies are done I doubt there will be anywhere near 200 species in the Psilocybe family - infact soon there wont even be a Psilocybe family - from what ive heard there will be a name change.
Although I have respect for Guzman's interest and his study in the early days - the majority of his delineation work based on minor microscopic differences will be proven redudant.
As for the info still being correct - well that would be according to MJ and Guzman... But opinion aint fact...


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