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EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe moravica from the Czech republic
    #2260631 - 01/21/04 07:36 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Here are the first images of this beautiful bluing potent mushroom form the Czech republic taken by its discoverer Jan Borovicka, who also recently discovered Psilocybe arcana.













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These shrooms are from two locations which were first found in 2001 and then again the following year int he same locations with more shrooms than the last times.

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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czechoslovakia [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2261505 - 01/22/04 12:58 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Do they possess any outstanding traits? Whats the potency level?


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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czechoslovakia [Re: Stonerware]
    #2261567 - 01/22/04 01:24 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Some which were picked at lower altitudes were found to contain more psilocine than psilocybine. I have analysis here somewhere int he letters I reeeived.

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Will look tomorrow.


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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czechoslovakia [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2261679 - 01/22/04 02:14 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Do you have any prints?


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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czechoslovakia [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2262148 - 01/22/04 07:48 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Here is a clearer image:



And here are some germinating spores on agar:



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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czechoslovakia [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2262193 - 01/22/04 08:59 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Very nice indeed, thanks for sharing :thumbup:

Anno, is that your petri dish :grin: ?


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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czechoslovakia [Re: Anno]
    #2262325 - 01/22/04 10:48 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Thank you anno. Nice growth you have there.

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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czechoslovakia [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2262643 - 01/22/04 01:33 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Lovely images. Awesome shrooms.


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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czechoslovakia [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2265976 - 01/23/04 04:17 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

...sorry, it was a joke. i pm'ed mjshroomer with an apology


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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czechoslovakia [Re: back2growing]
    #2266487 - 01/23/04 06:49 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

You have a real problem in that you did not read the above post.

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the first images of this beautiful bluing potent mushroom from Czecjhoslovakia taken by its discoverer Jan Borovicka, who also recently discovered P. arcana.




I never said I discovered it, however I am working with other colleagues on the taxonomy, cultivation, chemical analysis, SEM's and DNA of five new Psilocybe species we are now writing the papers on. Two are psychoactive (1 from Cambodia the other from Seattle) and three which are not psychoactive and were collected from two locations hundreds of kms apart from each other.

So go do your flaming in the OTD. It does not belong here.

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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czechoslovakia [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2266871 - 01/23/04 10:15 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I hope that guy was just jokin around.  I personaly enjoy your findings :smile: How do you distinguish a new species from one that has already been discovered?  Seems to me like they all look very very similar. 
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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czechoslovakia [Re: forevrgrounded98]
    #2266951 - 01/23/04 11:04 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

>How do you distinguish a new species from one that has already been discovered?#
Mainly by its microscopic features, basidia, spore size and similar.


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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czechoslovakia [Re: Anno]
    #2267135 - 01/24/04 01:13 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Ditto!

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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czech republic [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2267382 - 01/24/04 03:43 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Great pictures! Yeah, forests of central and eastern Europe can be full of suprises.  :smirk:


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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czechoslovakia [Re: Anno]
    #2267709 - 01/24/04 08:15 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Anno said: 'Mainly by its microscopic features, basidia, spore size and similar.'
But ofcourse the modern understand of speciation demonstrates that these characteristics are by no means fixed between entities, but generally range - particularly in mushrooms.
Ofcourse, as proper isozyme protein and other tests are not readily accessable to most biologists, they have to use these characteristics as a basisi for delineating their finds as a new species.
Guzman's reliance on them in delineating a variety of new Psilocybe species will most likely be soon demonstrated to be flawed.
If any of you are keen to add species to a RNA/DNA/compatibility study being conducted by Plutues - who is actually working with Stamets (yes, he replied to the emails!) to obtain as many lecho-type and type specimens as possible.
MJ and Anno Im sure you both have access to a number of good specimens that would help in his study.


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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czechoslovakia [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #2268017 - 01/24/04 01:00 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I'm already including P. moravica / arcana specimens in my DNA analysis, more would be welcome - as would more specimens of Psilocybe cyanescens - as long as information is given about locality. This is important so I can build up a picture of the population genetics of species over their geographic ranges. I'm also looking for specimens of other Psilocybe species which have not yet been sequenced (will post a list here soon).
If you can help, please get in touch. Having the support of enthusiastic amateurs as well as herbariums speeds up research 1000 X I have had a lot of help from shroomery members over the past year and it is deeply appreciated


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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czechoslovakia [Re: pluteus]
    #2268101 - 01/24/04 01:37 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

I've been out for a while so someone please fill me in. We now have a resident mycologist who is studying the DNA of different psilos? And is looking for fresh un-sequenced material?

If so, I would love the mushrooms I have been picking for the past three years that I expect are a newly discovered active species of Psilocybe to be sequenced and compared!!!!
I have 3 active Psilocybe species total without a name or proper ID. Gaston Guzman has one of them and I regret sending it to him. Guzman is taking way too long not to mention his questionalble techniques used for Identification and classification.


DNA comparrisons will hopefully soon lead to a complete revision of how we separate and classify mushrooms. I had no idea there were people here working on this. This is great news!


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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czechoslovakia [Re: Lizard King]
    #2268126 - 01/24/04 01:54 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

LK,

While Guzm?n may seem slow to you, I must remind all of h you here at the shroomery that it takes from 6 months to three years for a published paper to b appear in p journals describing their uniquness or as a new species.

Notrhing is slow buit the publishing of the information.

Most keep it quite until the papers are in print.

And Pkluteus,

Pakitsin Shihanonth and I , along with Roy Watling and sev eral other students form both Thailand and japan, as well as a colleague in switzerland are currently conductin DNA, SEM, Cultivation, Taxonomy and Chemical analysis of several new species of mushrooms as well as a comparative analysis and DNA stutdy of P. mexicana Heim, P. samuiensis Guzman, Bandala and Allen and the newly discovered species from Angkor Wat, Xiem Riap, Kampuchea known tentively as Psilocybe angkoria Sihanonth, Allen and Watling.

This study also includes the Psilocybe violacea mushroom form Koh Samui (already Workman grew these and posted his results here and at Nans nook, plus two other non-psychoactive Psilocybe species from Thailand.

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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czechoslovakia [Re: Lizard King]
    #2268258 - 01/24/04 02:54 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

i am not quite as enthusiasic as some of you seem to be about the restructuring of the taxonomy by molecular biologists. while this will give us all insight into the corelation of species therein, it will confust things for home identification and the layman's understanding of the families/genera as a whole. most mushroom hunters are not equipt with an SEM of sequencing equiptment and this seems inevitably bount to devide the field, leaving the those people with the more practical need to understand the taxonomy holding the short straw.

i may well be wrong; but, i believe the standard for classification should still give insight into the accessable features/distinctions between the specific taxons. are we to need two systems of classification, one making useful distinctions between the species and one simply a map of the genes? maybe this is the path of progress in what must need to be two fields afterall.


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Re: EXCLUSIVE: Psilocybe Moravica from Czechoslovakia [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2269591 - 01/24/04 11:42 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

MJ - it takes six months to get articles published in journals, but about half an hour of Guzman to examine the cystidia, spores and basidia of a specimen sent to him - and then get back to the person who sent it to him.
As for the studies - i always wonder why you inluce Ray Watling in there - no offence, but the guy's specimens of the mushroom that he helped Guzman delineate (Eucalypta) didnt actually have any of the microscopic characteristics that he and Guzman reported in their original article. He said it was a type speciment without actually even examining these - apparently deciding it was consistant because it grew on the same type of wood :smile:


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