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Does anyone experience sleep paralysis?
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hey everyone, I have been having alot of sp lately and want to know a little about it, or does anyone know of any techniques to overcome the fear? like i know that it will pas but it is a very very scary 30 seconds, also if i try and keep awake through it I get this buzzing in both ears like and feels like my heads vibrating.

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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: swinginonspirals]
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What does this have to do with mysticism, religion, or the paranormal. Wrong forum man, I think you might wanna try health and well being instead.


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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: badreligion2good]
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nah man that could be a form of psychic attack, or not grounding your self when astral projecting


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you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: thedudenj]
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Yea, but im afraid to astral project.

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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: swinginonspirals]
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ok could it be a girl ?


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"You all are just  puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours

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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: thedudenj]
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sleep paralysis sucks and I've had that buzzing sensation before...almost makes you nauseous

you're pretty much stuck in your brain until it says ok you're awake now and gives you back your motor skills

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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: swinginonspirals]
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End sleep paralysis to soon.. And you might sleep walk..
End sleep paralysis to late.. And you might wake up, in a sleeping body... (So much crazy stuff can happen here.)

Use sleep paralysis "right", and it will ground your body,..

I got a lot to learn on this, but I have started to make sense of it.
At least to myself. :wink::thumbup:

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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: badreligion2good]
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badreligion2good said:
What does this have to do with mysticism, religion, or the paranormal. Wrong forum man, I think you might wanna try health and well being instead.



"The person who tells you what you are doing, may be refusing to see the same, in them selves ... "


:grin::thumbup:

What does that have to do with mysticism, religion, or the pa....

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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: swinginonspirals]
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It's a real test in letting go. I takes the same sort of resolve as when you are starting to feel gripped with terror from a drug experience, but you remind yourself that you are feeling the way you are right now because you ingested a drug and it will wear off and you'll be fine.

The more you experience it, the easier it will become. If it's too much, usually moving your eyes around can bring your body back to waking more quickly.

Just riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide it out, man.

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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: Viveka]
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I usually fight like a madman to become awake, and that usually works fairly quickly.

Then I go eat food and when I go back to sleep it doesn't happen. No food, it usually happens again.


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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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I've had this happen three times, and each one was terrifying. The first time, I felt as if I was being held down by a ghostly entity, a malignant force hovering over my body. I was shaken up, especially when the next day I experienced CEVs of wraith-like entities that, as they approached me, had visible, fluctuating faces.

The third time was much like the first, but the second was the worst: in this state of sleep-paralysis, I felt that I had the body of a dead, bloody young girl draped on top of me, and I was writhing in vain trying to get it off me. Finally it slid off and I woke up, sweating uncontrollably, and didn't manage to get back to sleep til the next night.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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Microcosmatrix said:
I usually fight like a madman to become awake, and that usually works fairly quickly.

Then I go eat food and when I go back to sleep it doesn't happen. No food, it usually happens again.



:lol: Me too, only for me, I noticed a connection between it and dehydration so I get up to pound water.

I also noticed a connection to experiencing it with being really behind on sleep when my energy levels are extremely looooooow.

Who was it who thought it didn;t belong here?

Strange shit happens during a bout of sleep paralysis and in a way, its a cousin of lucid dreaming. You become lucid only, there is little to no control over the dream scape during a sleep paralysis episode and the fear is very intense.

Viv, you mentioned letting go during an experience of it. I thought to try that a few times and see if I couldn't use my lucidity to get myself up into higher dream planes. It NEVER worked and I would only slip deeper into the clutches of fear , lack of control and paralysis.

Has it ever worked for you or anyone here to let go while lucid in sleep paralysis and end up lucid in a cooler dream scape free from the fear?

I always end up saying, screw this place and fight my way back awake.

What about those time where you are tricked into thinking you woke up and relax and then slip right back into the clutches of fear again? That sucks. :lol: Once, I had 6 trick wake ups before I actually did get out of my bed.

Thats when I go for lots of water and nice thoughts to get my vibe up before I will get back into bed and let myself fall asleep.

I say, lots of water, get good rest which usually helps with keeping positive energy levels high. That keeps the sleep paralysis away for me.

:peace: :heart:


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Usually for me if I don't panic I can just get my breathing regulated and fall into deeper sleep.

I did have a freaky experience when I was about 15 involving SP I was fully conscious yet paralyzed and my body began to be pulled across the bed (I was beginning to sleep walk I assume) and it bent backwards at my waist which bodies don't usually, and my legs carried me across the room to the door with my top half still laid back in my sleeping position. Finally I fought myself away and fell to a heep on the floor. It was terrifying.


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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: wolfsblood]
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It also sucks when you wake up from an sp episode and then that familiar shaking and buzzing happens again, iv heard that its very easy to lucid dream if you just fall asleep during an episode and even easier to astral project, supposedly you juts roll out of ure paralyzed body... :S

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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: wolfsblood]
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Usually for me if I don't panic I can just get my breathing regulated and fall into deeper sleep.




Just two weeks ago I was severely behind on sleep and over dehydrated and it happened. I tried to do that, just relax (which I did and could) and see where it would take me, thinking I could move on into some cool lucid explorations, or back into a peaceful deep sleep. I then let go and used the same sort of intentioning I use in Lucid dreaming that always works and it just didn't when the lucidity started out in the buzzing crackling sounding paralyzed fear filled place. I got sucked right back into the clutch.

Describe what you are thinking or doing to "roll out" as you put it.

To get meta-physical about this, the astral plane and body is an electrical field (explains the buzzing). The aetheric plane is a di polar magnetic field, no fear because there is no positive negative polarity to it. The two make up the electro magnetic field our physical bodies vibrate with.

I like to explore just in the aetheric with the magnetic aetheric body. Movement and manifestation is as fast as the speed of thought and there is zero fear there. Thats where all of the sweet easy free flowing lucid dreaming takes place.


In the astral plane and body, movement can be slow, clumsy, you get electrical shocks and zaps when the astral body touches stuff and often, there is fear involved. I would just assume wake myself up if I find myself in that plane. 

The difference is so subtle to some they lump the two planes together yet, the difference experientially between the two planes is vast to me.


If anyone has tips for rolling into your even lighter aetheric body from out of the denser astral body, I want to hear those.

:peace: :heart:


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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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I like how you differentiate between aetheric and astral states, i think that's a good way to describe it. In the astral state it's like you are completely subject to any elements that may present from your psyche or stimulus in your room or elsewhere and you are under control of the stimulus, where in the 'etheric' realm, you are insulated from those forces and essentially in control.

I have had two major pariods in my life when sleep paralysis happened very oftn. One was in high school, particalarly around the time I started experimenting with 5-HTP (and incidently beginning to smoke potent marijuana) and then a few years later in college. During the second period, I learned to let go on a few rare occasions, instead of wrenchign myself awake. One of the excape mechanisms that developed was that I would scream myself awake. i think my underlying intent was for my dad to hear, who I was living with at the time and qwho slept in the room above me, and I would muster this scream that would grow and grow very slowly until it seemed like an exhausting roar and I would wake up to find that i had maybe let loose with a whimper.

But as for the times when I was able to let go. The time I can remember best, I'm not sure what it was that allowed me to other than pure intention but i began wandering around my neighborhood on some aetheric plane, but I was aware of several levels of waking and sleep simultaneously and at the same time i was flucuating between these. My room was also off a semi-busy street and I think when lights would flash across the white walls in my room, it would alter my awareness. Strngely, it was around this time that i began to have incredibly intense bodily sensations during SP like being pulled from my feet while I was in the state just below awake. In states a bit deeper, I would have sensations of spinning very rapidly even straight up into the air. One of these was accompanied by a dream where a tall character with a large cloak approached me, wrapped me in his cloak, then spun me and i went shooting up, spinning, into the air. Very dizzying and disorienting these experiences were.

I have not had a lot of SP since that second period a few years ago and i actually would really like to. I'm even considering using 5-HTP again, but I'd like to be able to harness the experience without any other variables.

It's funny that some people mention spining out of your body as a method to "astral project" or whatever because my very first SP I had the sensations that I was rolling violently out of my bed, like three fast barrel rolls then onto the floor. Then, almost immediately, I was back in my bed again and rolling out onto the floor again, more violently each time. The nI realized i was dreaming ( i thought this had somehow actually happened) and I guess i scared myself awake. At this point, my eyes were fixed ahead as i lay on my back and just as I finally woke completely, my field of view shifted from a sort of crystaline matrix overlay to what my ceiling and room actually looked like, and that's how I knew I was really awake.

Very bizarre this SP stuff. I find that if i just go back to sleep it usually happens again. I have to get up and walk it off for a few minutes if i don't want it to happen again, though I don't like turning the lights on, too alien.

Come to think of it, I did have a third period of SP when i first moved to my current town. This was accompanied by some of the most visceral, disturbing dreams i've ever had with bodily sensations that were just unreal, like being dragged across the the floor, walls and ceiling of rooms on my belly by some intangible force, while onlookers sometimes stood on and observed me casually. As distrubing as these experiences have been, I treasure them and look forward to more, it's very powerful. I'm glad other people can relate with their own seemingly very similar experiences.

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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: swinginonspirals]
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O.K.... this may turn out to be long post so bear with me. I'll warn you now, my typing typing/writing skills are pretty bad, and to make matters worse, I'm completley out of it right now. So again please bear with me.

Anyway, I have been blessed/cursed with SP since I was very young, my first 'episode' I can remember, was when I was around 5 years old, it's pretty vauge, but I remember the buzzing 'elecric feeling' followed by me walking around the room with extreme difficulty (imagine being underwater with 10x the gravity while being elecricuted) and not being able to scream, open doors, or turn on lights... very scary for a 5 year old to say the least. All of a sudden I was floating about 3 feet in the air, if you could of seen the way my body felt, I would of looked like a 'stereotypical ghost', I had no feet!. with no effort at all. the fear kind of subsided, and I 'floated' back to the bed (the only thing I could think of doing for some reason) and woke up, back to normal again. Of course, the first thing I did was try to tell my mom about what happened, and of course she looked at me like I was crazy or something mixed with a bit of fear. It didn't happen again for a few years, as far as I can remember anyway, (kids brains are very good at blocking fucked up memorys) but as I grew a little older, it came back with a fucking vengeance, 3-4 nights a week at least, while I never left my body, I almost always felt or seen an EXTREMLEY disturbing presence right beside me, usualy I couldn't see it, it was always 'just outside' of vision and I couldn't roll over, scream, anything... I felt like I was at the mercy of what a christian would think of as the devil (or a close relative at least)if I could see it, wich was extremeley rare but most memorable, It would usualy be in the form of a black cloud that radiated pure fucking evil (I am a firm believer in the phrase "evil is in the eye of the beholder", and this is what this entity is ,anything your mind has been programmed to think of as "evil or scary".) The most memorable/terrifying SP memory I have had until just recently, happened when I was ...10-11 maybe... I was at my grandparents house sleeping in the usual bed I slept in when I visited them, I was fatigued from lack of sleep (for reasons I can't remember) and trying to sleep when the SP kicked in full force, the usual buzzing, vibrating, electrocution and paralyzed feelings were there, followed very shortly by the entity, it was a pitch black cloud, looked like a mix of black electricity and black vapour, about the size of a baseball (if you've ever seen the black squiggly/gelatinis/electricty stuff you see on tropane containing plants, or diphenhydramine/diphenhydranate, that sometimes forms itself into hallucinations, imagine all that superconcentrated into a little ball of energy that crackels with the most evil vibes you could imagine) it was about 5 feet in front of me at a 45 degree angle, I was lying on my back and couldn't move/scream to wake my grandparents up, and felt completley vulnerable to whatever this entity was up to, I was scared fucking shitless, I somehow managed to roll over (don't know if my body actualy did or not, but it felt like it anyway) and the cloud was now hovering a few inches above the pillow right beside my head! the feeling was unbearable, much worse than normal SP for me at the time, I finaly snapped out of it, and turned on the bedside lamp, I tried not to fall asleep again to avoid it from happening again, but to no avail, althogh the entity never returned that night/morning I had many more short SP episodeds.

That was before I learned dream control and read 'Lucid Dreaming' by Stephen Le Barge (or done any psychedelics) and found out the experiences I was having were actulay somewhat common in the average folk, and even had a name "sleep Paralysis", HUGE relief, it described everything I was experiencing, plus a few tips on how to stop it, until then I had pretty much kept it a secrect for fear of ridicule/disbelief. After that point in time though, I was learning to either stop the process or riiiiiiiiiiiiide it out and see what I could do while in that state
I soon realized I could start a lucid dream/astral travel quite easily from the SP state by simply floating out of my body and spinning (easier done than typed).

I am 25 now, and SP is still a common occurance (15-25% of sleep)It can sometimes be a terrifying/draining pain in the ass (like when you have to work in the morning), But sometimes I induce it purposely, through concious breathing exercises, alcohol hangovers, afternoon naps, sleep deprivation and more, for exploration of the mind/astral/aetheric planes. It also seems to happen when sleeping in a unusual place.

As for trying to stop it, I find wiggeling my toes/fingers can work, and so can just relaxing and trying not to fight it (I know that can be almost impossible sometimes.) If you sleep with a 'signifacant other' try breathing as heavily/fast as you can, they will hear you if they are awake trust me (the only fool proof method I know), as soon as they touch or shake you, you'll almost always snap out of it/wakeup.


as for preventing it, I am glad someone said something about dehydration, that might explain the alcohol hangover effect, I thought it might be from the temporary alcohol withdrawl that causes a hangover in the first place, not dehydration. It seems as though sleep depravation, especialy rem sleep, is a big fator. I've also noticed that taking meletonin to sleep is A VERY BAD IDEA if you are susebtable to SP, at least for me it was (unless I smoke a doobie 20 mins or so after melatonin strip, pot seems to lesson REM for me) emotional stress and unusual sleep location/pattern also seem to be a large factor.

As for the most memorable SP experience I now currently hold, I was trying to sleep (had to work in the morning so it was unintentional) I had taken a 'dissolve under your tounge meletonin strip' and went to bed like normal, but 10 mins or so I felt the familiar vibration of SP
followed by the common but wierd 'esp' feeling of someone/something being there, this time it was aliens. I decided to riiiide it out this time and see if I could bring myself somewhere useful... instead I got the undeniable feeling of a multitude of presences kind of 'scanning my brain' making slight adjustmets and such ( i lack a better description) all I could think was "so... you guys fixin me up or what?" then BOOM, I could see was right ahead of me, facing the dooer, I honestly was convinced that there were aliens standing in my doorway, completly invivible, but something could most definetley be felt.) I have never read 'Psychic Self Defense' by Dion Fortune , but to combat the evil presence she/he(I'm really not sure) says to envision the figure would most be able to help YOU through this ordeal at hand.


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Our laws make law impossible; our liberties destroy all freedom; our property is organized robbery; our morality an impudent hypocrisy; our wisdom is administered by inexperienced or mal-experienced dupes; our power wielded by cowards and weaklings; and our honour false in all its points. I am an enemy of the existing order for good reasons.

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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: LuSiD9]
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Interesting posts Viv and Lus!

Thanks for sharing them.  :smile:

:peace: :heart:


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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Astral projection can be induced through sleep paralysis, deep meditation or lucid dreaming. 2 days ago I was in a lucid dream and for the 2nd time I induced an OOBE.I was flying into the sky and past the sky as I tried to hold on to the dream I seemed to reach this black background, I like to think it was the fabric of the dream world itself. It was like a giant inkblot and the spaces between the ink made shapes and pictures (for instance I saw the outline of two dragons fighting eachother). As the background started to fade I used a technique that was mentioned by someone else on this forum, I attempted to recreate the sensation of flying.

I popped right out of my body in the waking world with a loud buzzing snap, and the rest doesnt really need to be explained (moving around with thought, everything is the same with some added stuff)


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Re: Does anyone experience sleep paralysis? [Re: Lion]
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I've had this happen three times, and each one was terrifying. The first time, I felt as if I was being held down by a ghostly entity, a malignant force hovering over my body. I was shaken up, especially when the next day I experienced CEVs of wraith-like entities that, as they approached me, had visible, fluctuating faces.



I also experience Sleep Paralysis and I have encountered "entities" as well. One common "entity" is a tall ectomorph and stands over me and moans. I also smell a very strong perfume in his presence. Other times, I hear or see family members telling me to wake up. Of course, none of these family members live close to me (I live hundreds of miles away from them).

The ectomorph appears often and he frightens me during the experience. Of course, when I am awake and more rational, I explain it off as just a dream character that has merged with my normal reality.

I also lucid dream and have had that ability long before Sleep Paralysis ever occurred.

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