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Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them (the people, not the cells)
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These guys would rather see REAL children die horribly of leukemia (a disease among many that stem cell research may some day cure) than have a single cell removed from an UNHARMED embryo.

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By Phil Stewart

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Catholic Church is rejecting claims in the United States of new "embryo-safe" stem-cells, pouring cold water on hopes by many scientists of ending ethical uproar over their research.

A U.S. company says it has developed a way to create the stem cells without harming the original embryo, which the Vatican holds is a full-fledged human life.

The breakthrough technique was meant to answer critics at the papal palace, the White House and beyond, who have long argued that it was ethically reproachable to attempt to save one life by taking another.

But the head of the Vatican's Pontifical Academy for Life, Bishop Elio Sgreccia, told Reuters in an interview that the new method by Advanced Cell Technology Inc. failed to overcome the Church's many moral concerns.

Sgreccia said the procedure was wrong footed from the start -- experimenting with embryos is reprehensible, as is use of "unnatural" in-vitro embryos created at fertility clinics, like the ones the U.S. scientists employed in their research.

Advanced Cell Technology Inc. then made things worse by extracting what could be a "totipotent" cell, Sgreccia said.

"This is not just any cell, but a cell capable of reproducing a human embryo," Sgreccia said. He added that, in effect: "a second embryo is being destroyed."

Across the Atlantic, Richard Doerflinger, a bioethics expert with the U.S. Conference of Bishops, has accused the scientists of "killing" 16 embryos during their research.

Since stem cells can develop into any kind of body tissue, medical researchers believe they can lead to tailored treatments for diseases including cancer and diabetes.

The Advanced Cell scientists, led by Robert Lanza, let its embryos grow to the 8- to 10-cell stage before removing one cell. They then grew stem cells from that single cell.

Lanza says the embryos, after such a procedure, still can be implanted in women with the potential to develop normally.

"For most rational people, this removes the last rational objection for opposing this research," Lanza said.

But Sgreccia said there was also no way that Lanza could ensure that embryos which had cells extracted could later go on to develop normally.

He urged them to look into other promising avenues, including adult stem cell research, accepted by the Church.

"Even if it didn't damage the embryo, it's still an issue of an invasive, unjustified operation on a human being ... You're going in, taking a piece of a embryo's organism to use for yourself," he said.

For Professor John M. Harris, Professor of Bioethics at University of Manchester, the debate over stem-cell research will not be resolved through scientific advance. The issue, ultimately, is an ideological one.

"The use of embryonic cells will only become non-controversial when it is accepted that the early embryo is of little or no moral significance," Harris said.

http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/articlen...C1-ArticlePage1


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: Diploid]
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What gets me is most people don't even seem to realize that these stem cells aren't obtained from abortions, but rather from in vitro fertilizations.


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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: Diploid]
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this makes me dislike the catholic church even more, its a political instution that determines the worlds morality.? im going to go one step further and question the authority the catholic church has over science.

theres another story about the catholic church right now, the one in st. petersburg is burning down.

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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: Maitereya]
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I wonder Why the New Pope has been spotted wearing Genuine Leather and Gucci Handbags... Doesn't that symbolize Killing even if so an animal? Maybe he should become a Vegetarian, and support the injustice received to vegetables.. or maybe not eat at all. Without Scientific Research, This new Pope would not be as old as he is, if he were living 500 yrs ago...

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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: Diploid]
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Another wonderful triumph of ignorance over science...but that's not really much of a surprise...


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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If someone can photoshop a picture of Charlton Heston screaming "Stem Cells are made from PEOPLE!!!!!", i will promise to get it on a t-shirt and send you one.

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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: SneezingPenis]
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Sorry I couldn't find any bigger images.


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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: Silversoul]
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its a good start, but is there anyway to find the actual Soilent green picture?

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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: SneezingPenis]
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It was the only Soylent Green picture I could find.


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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: Silversoul]
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hmmmm.... Maybe I need to give this its own thread in another forum. I think this is a great idea, and I have a steam press shirt maker at my house, and my roommate goes to art school for graphic design.

So, it would be no problem if we could get the right picture.

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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: Silversoul]
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Come on man...google images...hurry! We're to lazy to check for ourselves!!!


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
Come on man...google images...hurry!


What do you think I've been using?


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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Wait...found it.



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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: Silversoul]
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Finally.....I was really starting to have my doubts...


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: Silversoul]
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I wonder where the religious people will finally give in.

What happens when we figure out how to CONSTRUCT an embryo one molecule at a time? In other words, start with nothing, take four beakers, one with each of the four chemicals DNA is made of, and use a nanomachine to assemble an entire human DNA helix from scratch.

Will THAT also be sacred? Will it bug God if we subsequently destroy the thing we assembled like we'd take apart a Lego toy we built?

What about the computer database containing the plans for this Lego toy? Would deleting or altering the database also be a sin? The chemical Lego toy is, after all, a database made from atoms rather than magnetic blips on a disk in a computer. Will they ever see how irrational and arbitrary their dogma is?

If history is any indication, they won't for a VERY long time. Church dogmatists are so hard-headed and reluctant to accept Truth over dogma that the Catholic Church only recently (1992) issued an encyclical apologizing to Galileo, and at long last, AFTER 359 YEARS, lifted the edict of Inquisition against him, admitting that there are indeed moons orbiting Jupiter.

I wonder if they're freaking out over Pluto yet? :whoa:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: Diploid]
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Why the fuck do people keep listening to the Catholic church?. Havnt peoples minds and morals been exploited enough because of Catholocism. The Crucades, witch burnings, the murder of other heratics over the thousands of years Catholocism has had a strangle hold on European and North american culture. The Catholic church deystroys and isolates what it does not aproove of, including its own followers, or their beleifs. Ive said it before and ile say it again. Fuck Catholocism, Fuck religion. Im taking George Carlins advice and worshipping the sun and praying to Joe Pesci  :smile:

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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: Irdamage]
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Fuck Joe Pesci and George Carlin and all the celebrities who expect us mortals to worship them and buy Lethal Weapon 3 DVDs because we worship Joe Pesci even though the movie sucked.


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Anxiety is what you make it.

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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: LunarEclipse]
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:chillpill:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: Icelander]
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Easy for you to say Iceman.


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Re: Stem Cells and Irrational Religious People, You Just Can't Please Them [Re: LunarEclipse]
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I take as many pills as I can lay my hands on. :laugh:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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