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Cuban Registered: 01/09/03 Posts: 19,274 Loc: Rabbit Hole |
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i like the whole idea of the quest for knowledge and self-realization.
But shouldn't that quest include sharply critical views of everything, especially extraordinary things? If something is true, it can withstand ANY scrutiny... any testing. The quest for knowledge is about finding the truth, not about being right. -------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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jiggy Registered: 07/20/04 Posts: 7,469 Loc: Heart of Laughte |
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Quote: Not that I am aware, not even sure what you are talking about related to what I said. Conspiracy ? With my understanding of all I've learned, experienced with technology that read fields and witnessed on the subject of reading subtle energy, I find the test valueless other then determining who is s foolish enough, greedy enough and fraud enough take it. If there is truly anything to this, An easy flaw in the test would be that the subject, may be sensing some thing behind a screen in energy only, that isn't physically there that has a higher out put, then something that actually is. Right off the bat, at least for me, I think the test is highly prone to probable errors. How can someone set up a legitimate test for who can see auras in color when there is NOTHING out there to prove them wrong other then a living physical object behind a screen or not. Thats lame and only a fraud not having a clue would agree to take it. If someone was in a highly angered emotional state in one of the empty spots an hour before the test took place, an able sensitive would pick up in residual energy, the presence of a body of energy there, more strongly, then an actual body generating a weak field. This is no different then a bed staying warm for a while after the body leaves it or the smell of smoke lingering in a room long after the cigarette has been put out and removed from the room. How easy would it be to mistake thinking a lit cigarette was in a house when it wasn't, if one truly was earlier? Easy. How easy would it be to mistake a warm shirt someone recently took off with a warm shirt still on the body if they were blind and only allowed to feel the shirt itself? EASY mistake to make. The blind screen test proves squat. How do we know what else is floating around in the aethers detectable by a sensitive, like auras that could be mistaken for one or if all humans put out enough energy to be easily distinguished from residual or something else possible disembodied there, from behind a screen? These are skeptical and critical questions I ask of the test itself. Why arn;t you guy more skeptical and critical of the tests and potential flaws not considered by those who may lack critical knowledge about the subject being tested that could make a difference. What do you personally know about how the human body emits energy, let alone about how another could perceive it through other means and how prone to human error such an ability would even be? Until we all know if and how it all works a dot what level of accuracy it does when it does, how are we going to be able to test for it? The tests are parlor tricks just the same until then. I personally don't mind if people believe in auras or abilities to see them or not. I can't see them myself nor do I even want to at this point in time. With all the MAJOR problems to be addressed in the world, that's a silly thing to fuss over. Why not go about proving what government, school, military, corporate, and institutionalized social systems are deceiving and failing us and robbing us all of billions and human lives. I jumped in here because I was curious about what technology they were using for validation in the tests diploid mentioned. Turns out, they weren't even using any so its a super joke. For those tests to mean anything to me, an auric field would have to be scientifically validated FIRST, and science would have to have accurate detection equipment developed FIRST, before we could test, who truly has an ability and who doesn't. If we had all of that, why bother with peoples abilities prone to human error or the potential for frauds. The test he mentioned is just as much smoke and mirrors. Magicians come in all shapes and sizes. You guys trust the word of the guys who say such a test should show proof of something, without them or us having any understanding of what the mechanics of the subject is even scientifically all about. I trump you and dip in the critical skepticism department. I think those who accepted to take such a test are definitely phony baloney's and I think those giving the test are pseudo scientists without a clue. They are all phonies! ![]() Next I am going to reply to dip and would prefer to discuss a more deeper and critical underlying issue here.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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Blaspheme,blasph Registered: 11/19/05 Posts: 267 Last seen: 16 years, 8 months |
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Only if the idea of karma is correct. However, it may not be. Free will may not exist (as I hold). Then such powers would be free to be used without karmic restrictions. But hell, I'm pre-supposing that such powers are not tied to any single religion.
Agreed, though, that inklings of something happening are likely to be viewed by most people (including me) as coincidental. To be proved, it must be reliably testable. If one person accurately predicts many disasters, it gets looked at far closer then a myriad of people predicting craploads of things on many different days, one of which happens to be spot on. Also, wouldn't one with such powers be somewhat immune to the puny and purely materialistic powers of a government? If you're assuming eastern philosophy, as it looks you are, the person, if they've actually attained enlightenment, would be freed from the cycle of death and rebirth, and their only goal at that point would be to help as many people as possible do the same, the way the buddha did. I love you, Diploid. -------------------- If you don't ask the question, you always get it wrong.
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Cuban Registered: 01/09/03 Posts: 19,274 Loc: Rabbit Hole |
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I find the test valueless other then determining who is s foolish enough, greedy enough and fraud enough take it.
So, if someone claims they can see auras three feet above people's head, then someone six feet tall is placed behind a screen that is six feet, one inch high and the claimant can't tell if someone's behind the screen or not, this is valueless? Alright... -------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government. Edited by Diploid (03/29/06 08:19 PM)
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Blaspheme,blasph Registered: 11/19/05 Posts: 267 Last seen: 16 years, 8 months |
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Quote: All the problems you postulate are easily fixed. Firstly, the analogy's you present are bad. I can definitely tell the difference between both the shirt on a body and a lit cigarette/room which had one in it. In both cases, the properties you're looking for (heat, smell) are dramatically diminished with even a short amount of time. Secondly, did you not read the part about the person crafting the test?* If said "sensitive" can see things in the room, they can wait until they dissipate or move the test. Nothing to it. Quote: I don't claim to know too terribly much, but I know what I do know, and those are two points critical to this idea. 1) The human body does not emit radiation in visible light. 2) The human eye is only capable of seeing a small slice of the EM spectrum. Thus the name, "visible" light. Quote: So, you're saying that we have to have the technology that requires the existence of something in order for you to accept the nonexistence of something?** The test is in no way a joke. With the information given to the scientific community, a test that would be viable is created. Give more information on how this phenomenon, realistically, can be tested then. Quote:*** *Looks to me like I trump you in the reading department. **And the possibility department. ***And the critical thinking/skepticism department. -------------------- If you don't ask the question, you always get it wrong.
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Cuban Registered: 01/09/03 Posts: 19,274 Loc: Rabbit Hole |
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So, you're saying that we have to have the technology that requires the existence of something in order for you to accept the nonexistence of something?
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Fish Can Fly ![]() Registered: 03/29/06 Posts: 1,269 Loc: Right in front o Last seen: 17 years, 8 months |
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Auras are interesting
But I wouldn't want to see them Far too distracting -------------------- There is no valid reason why you should be reading this
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I Tell You What! Registered: 06/24/05 Posts: 5,998 Last seen: 8 years, 9 months |
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Quote: Correct from eastern philosophy, however unlikely they would use tricks and miracles to convert and liberate...... according to a guy who studies Buddhism or is a Buddhist or something of the sort that gives Dharma talks here it's a valid option, as he referenced Jesus while mentioned Amitabha and the Buddha... saying Jesus was about miracles where the Buddha just cared for spreading teachings to liberate..... but he may have been reaching out to any Christians in the audience. Now if you're a human with powers? We assume powers are real.... we assume then that the government knows of these powers and is very adept in using them already..... this opens the door for governmental sacrifices, brainwashings, the illuminati, and various other conspiracy theories which hold the government uses high amounts of black magic to manipulate and get what they want and I'd say for the person with powers enough to prove their validity but still largely human and un-evolved.... no he wouldn't stand a chance against the government. But are such powers only doled out based upon merit? If so then this person would have them and any agencies of "evil" or "control" would not and then you would be correct. -------------------- ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
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Cuban Registered: 01/09/03 Posts: 19,274 Loc: Rabbit Hole |
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For those tests to mean anything to me, an auric field would have to be scientifically validated FIRST
Jigz, the test is not to see if auras exist. The test is to see if the guy claiming to see them actually CAN see them. Whether or not auras exist is irrelevant. Whether or not the guy can see them is the only thing being investigated. Read that part again because it's important and you keep missing it: Whether or not auras exist is irrelevant. Whether or not the guy can see them is the only thing being investigated. The test is of the GUY not of the AURAS. No technology is needed for this test other than a screen able to obscure a person while leaving the aura above his head visible to the seer. Obviously, someone failing this test does not disprove the existence of auras. It only disproves the guy's claim. However, if you test many people convinced they can see auras and not one of them can pass the test, it's reasonable to conclude that they're likely either lying or kidding themselves about their abilities, and while it says nothing about the auras themselves which may or may not exist, it does make any reasonable person question why, if they exist, no one who claims to see them actually can. -------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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I Tell You What! Registered: 06/24/05 Posts: 5,998 Last seen: 8 years, 9 months |
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Quote: I think it was more like in order to test someone's ability to read the various forms and types and varities of auras and energies we would have to be able to have some good proof that auras can indeed be picked up..... as in what he/she is saying about residual energy..... energy is not exclusive to humans.... while we could easily test anyones proclaimed ability to see human auras and I think science doesn't need techonology to rule that out.... to really validate whether or not they are doing so or picking up on other things or not picking up on other things we would need to fine tune our understandings of human energy. becasue frankly, humans do emit energy....... emotions start as chemical reactions and electric impulses..... and it would be helpful if we could quantifiable measure such things in order to ascertain just WHAT people are picking up on, if people are picking up on something. but yes that is a flawed statement because extraneous factors could be accounted for by making sure no one was in the room for a long period of time, various other things could be fidgeted around.... numerous aura readers could be tested and numerous targets used..... just to see if they really are picking up on where a person is.... It does not seem like a terribly flawed study to me..... but I do agree that if there are auras and I say they are, we should develop the technology to accurately measure them...... the body does emit energetic fields.... if not on the most subtle of levels via feelings..... think it out..... someone putting their hand right by your face and waving it around, it feels like they are touching you... it's like picking up on energy.... and on some level they feel that they are touching you even though they aren't... it's like energy is crossing and synpatically, chemically, as far as the very essences of perceptions go there MUST be some sort of discernable phenomenon related to the body and its immediate surrounding fields...... you have all these nerves charged paying attention to their immediate surroundings, if something gets near them they send impulses..... i dunno i'm not good at thinking about this right now. I do have to say that you need a large sample size to determine this! Like said many aura readers will be drawn away from Randi just becasue of the greedy prospect, whereas if a genuine large scale study were done the more "legitimate" practitioners would be more likely to show up. we would need a large handful of readers tested with the same measures in a large scale study to determine something one way or the other. all this tell us is one reader failed...... how many readers have they seen? THE MONEY IS a factor and you know what.... if someone would pay me $1 million and I were just an average Joe I might go just to see if I could guess right.......... but you know if it's a more mundane sounding real experiment for scientific worth saying "aura readers wanted" without pay..... that weeds out all the posers and street magician type loonies that may not be very disciplined in what they are doing or may be flat out crazy.... the money is an issue biasing the sample population. a huge one..... because it's a fucking million dollars! -------------------- ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Edited by leery11 (03/29/06 08:48 PM)
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Blaspheme,blasph Registered: 11/19/05 Posts: 267 Last seen: 16 years, 8 months |
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Leery11, do you actually believe everything you're saying, or are you debating from various positions just to debate? What you're saying sounds largely inconsistent from post to post, and even within the same post.
Quote: Glad you enjoyed/caught it. -------------------- If you don't ask the question, you always get it wrong.
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I Tell You What! Registered: 06/24/05 Posts: 5,998 Last seen: 8 years, 9 months |
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Quote: I dont' know....... what am I saying? I'm growing tired ......... I mean I don't believe any one set thing here, other than in energy in the form of chi/prana described by practiioners that cultivate it..... the rest is just random posting and speculation and whatnot. What I believe: -psychics should be able to prove themselves scientifically -many will choose not to based upon their beliefs and the $1million involved. -the $1million will attract more greedy and less developed people and repel the spiritually evolved who have no desire for it. -large scale studies need to be done without a huge money bias to attract those genuinely wanting to contribute to science...... and should involve complete confidentiality. -due to rewarding the money confidentiality becomes a complex issue. -mystics often don't care for science, nor do religious individuals. that's about it. -------------------- ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Edited by leery11 (03/29/06 08:52 PM)
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Blaspheme,blasph Registered: 11/19/05 Posts: 267 Last seen: 16 years, 8 months |
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Quote: I know that we do emit energy in the form of heat, and we have an electric field surrounding us, however, the human eye is not capable of seeing this. The thing about someone *almost* touching you is a combination of minute differences in heat/air travel over your skin relative to the surrounding area, possibly static, and most importantly, your mind. A large scale study would prove nothing but that many people cannot see it. The test is not to determine if the general population can see auras, it is to determine if any individuals, (who would be rare) can see them. Nor would removing the money. The "sensitive," I imagine, would not be required to take the money. I bet the institution would be more then happy to keep it. -------------------- If you don't ask the question, you always get it wrong.
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I Tell You What! Registered: 06/24/05 Posts: 5,998 Last seen: 8 years, 9 months |
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the human eyes cannot see it, of course not.
the third eye can, if it exists. and i have opened it, literally..... but it was during an almost sleep state so I will withold judgement... but I do believe in chakras. and what I said was a large sample of people who volunteer to do it that claim those abilities.... like the DMT studies.... they had to recruit people with extensive psychedelic experience, not normal people. to me the money makes it look like a trap to the paranoid eye...... who knows. -------------------- ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Edited by leery11 (03/29/06 09:08 PM)
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jiggy Registered: 07/20/04 Posts: 7,469 Loc: Heart of Laughte |
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Quote: Thank You for that wonderful example. According to you, all I need to do is see the deed first before I turn over my money and the bridge is mine right? ![]() Not quite. There is this french guy who frauded many people out of money, most notoriously known for frauding himself out as a Rockefeller, whos been on the news, documentaries and was in prison. I forget his name. One of his cons, which was so easy for him to pull off, was that he suckered some guy into believing he was a wealthy real state mogul, owned a particular large condominium building and sold it to a guy for $3,000,000. cash with a phony DEED. In his career, he bilked about 60 million out of rich people, no one got any of their money back and he only did about 6 years in jail. Yes fraud of the rich and poor will be a fact of life until we understand better why and how it happens in the first place. This french con man was dumped off in a European orphanage by his dad at age 5 and grew up without any family to guide him through life. When he was dumped on the streets to fend for himself, he turned to conning people. Take the rich and "intelligent" people he conned. They were all raised to believe that all that glitters is pure gold and diamonds and worth a lot, including its word it seems. Blinded by money and foolish greed they are as well. The con man said it was his best trick, to get the people to believe they were taking advantage of him and his wealth and that he was stupid and they could make off of him. Now, look at how many, hundreds of thousands of kids in Asia are orphans living in the sewar systems. Did you even know about this diploid? As these children grow into adults, what are they going to do to keep surviving? Many will be hustling and scamming people. What else can they do? What is this social structure that allows for children to be orphaned to raise themselves in sewers and hustle to get by? What other stories are behind other types of con people? Look at how many "gullibles" are raised, to blindly believe in "authorities" and to not question "authority figures". We all were. You think parents and schools are teaching their kids to use critical thinking and reasoning skills? No, they are telling them to do what they are told or else, and they are telling them that this is how the world is because we say so. Challenge us and you'll get punished, an F or sent to detention. Look at this government that tells us they need to spend billions of our tax money on military defense and for our security and protection, all the while, the governments are the ones starting the freaking wars we all need protection from in the first place. HELLLOOOOOOOOOO people of planet earth. Anybody home and listening? Talk about Con Men. They tell us they need to take money out of our pay checks to give us Medicare all the while, their corrupt systems, allow for the FDA to shove poisons down us and keep healthier prevention options and INEXPENSIVE CURES, not poison that mask symptoms, off the market, so they can line their pockets from pharmaceutical lobbyists to boot, keeping sick people sick all the while. We are suppose to trust that our governments and doctors backed by medical science are taking the best care of us right? ![]() They are legalized frauds and cons and their systems of control rear us to have absolute belief and faith in them. That's worse then the lady down the street with a sign in her yard charging 10 bucks for an aura reading. Don't you have bigger fish to fry? Can't you see how you are a part of that ugly system if you suggest we should believe in the "higher authorities" parlor tricks, all the while distracting us from their fraudulent and corrupt ways by drawing attention to the two bit relatively harmless small time fraud claiming to see auras for chump change? Look at how many boys are still raised to believe they need women to cook and clean for them. How easy are they to manipulate money from by women with those skills. Look at how many girls are still raised to believe they need good looks to give them worth to make it in this world. Do you have any idea how many put their lives at risk and spend BIG BUCKS BIG BIG BUCKS, getting Lipo suction, tummy tucks, laser hair removal, breast enhancement, etc. The government and medical science institutions and societal BS fraud us out of more lives and money and use their school systems to set up gullible and fearfull of "authority figures" citisens and allow for free media brain washing to do more financial, mental physical, emotional and bodily damage to humankind then these random "psychic frauds" will ever come close to holding a match too. They are about as significant as whale piss in the ocean compared to the Big players. Consider starting posts about social, parental, educational, government, military, science medicine, fraudulent money bilking, needless death of the gullible they create, if you care so much about fraud and people being harmed by frauds. Consider applying your critical thinking skills and rationality to warning us about those systems con schemes.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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Cuban Registered: 01/09/03 Posts: 19,274 Loc: Rabbit Hole |
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becasue frankly, humans do emit energy
This says nothing; all matter emits energy. and it would be helpful if we could quantifiable measure such things in order to ascertain just WHAT people are picking up on Well, before we get to the point of quantifying what people are picking up on, a necessary first step is to establish that they are picking up on SOMETHING. So far, everyone tested who THOUGHT they were picking up on something (auras?) has failed to demonstrate it when properly tested. someone putting their hand right by your face and waving it around, it feels like they are touching you This is simply radiant heat from the hands being felt on the face. It can be photographed by infrared cameras, it can be measured, and it can be reproduced at-will. There is a rational theory by which it happens. The theory can be tested and falsified by experiments, and its predictions can be verified. It's nothing special. It's not mystical or magical because it is a natural phenomenon. Auras, on the other hand, are supernatural. I do have to say that you need a large sample size to determine this! Forty years and hundreds if not thousands of aura-seeing applicants to the JREF isn't a large enough sample size? How about the tests conducted in university labs over the last hundred years. How about the many tests conducted by other skeptic organizations like: The Premanand Challenge: http://www.indian-skeptic.org/ht The Australian Skeptics Challenge: http://www.skeptics.com.au/index The Science and Rationalists' Challenge: http://humanists.net/avijit/prab none of which has ever found a single claimant who can do what they say they can do. we would need a large handful of readers tested with the same measures in a large scale study to determine something one way or the other. Done. They all failed. See above. the money is an issue biasing the sample population Investigators at universities and other institutions have conducted tests for no money (because they had none to give). Same result. Do you not see a pattern here? Take an objective look at what you've been saying in the face of an avalanche of evidence suggesting this is all fantasy. Rather than accept that it looks bad for auras, you wiggle and dance around every point because you want auras to be true. Get past that. Stop looking for auras and start looking for the truth, whatever it may be. It's a more fruitful search... and a more interesting one.
-------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Blaspheme,blasph Registered: 11/19/05 Posts: 267 Last seen: 16 years, 8 months |
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Quote: Learn to read. That. Is. Not. What. He. Said. Quote: Ever think that this is, maybe, a fun hobby? (My apologies, Diploid, if I don't speak for you) -------------------- If you don't ask the question, you always get it wrong.
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Cuban Registered: 01/09/03 Posts: 19,274 Loc: Rabbit Hole |
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Quote: According to you, all I need to do is see the deed first before I turn over my money and the bridge is mine right? Nope. According to me, you shouldn't believe I own the Brooklyn Bridge until I show you the deed. And after I show you the deed, you should concede that I MAY own the bridge subject to further verification. The counterpart to auras is that you shouldn't believe in them until someone definitively demonstrates an ability to see them. Even then you should hold only provisional belief until further tests by independent examiners can reproduce the initial results consistently and rule out cheating. It's not about disbelieving; it's about making sure it's real before believing. Can't you see how you are a part of that ugly system if you suggest we should believe in the "higher authorities" parlor tricks You don't read a word I say, do you? [sigh] -------------------- Republican Values: 1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer. 4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government. Edited by Diploid (03/29/06 09:42 PM)
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I Tell You What! Registered: 06/24/05 Posts: 5,998 Last seen: 8 years, 9 months |
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Quote: well in light of evidence (which i have not the time to look at now) i will have to retract my claims then, except: "This says nothing; all matter emits energy." Yes and I would wager humans emit certain forms of energy which others can pick up on. As for the hand to face...... that mechanism applies to the movement of energy..... or blood, or awareness, or whatever it is that energy FEELS like..... I suppose it may be easily picked up by such similar methods if someone were to put focus in part of their body, I would be interested to see. I just have to ask, have you never felt energy while under the influence of psychedelic drugs, falling asleep, or throughout normal life? All I'm saying is that I hope and think that this can be quantified somehow..... as I referenced you a link a while ago heat measures were raised by 61% in Tibettan Buddhist Meditators. I am not against science but I do see how I have been contradicting myself..... if truely this subject has been studied extensively rather than just a handful of people by this foundation then I will give it a rest. I can move a tingling light energy throughout my body at will, it even has a sound to it.... if put above the throat. -------------------- ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Edited by leery11 (03/29/06 09:41 PM)
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jiggy Registered: 07/20/04 Posts: 7,469 Loc: Heart of Laughte |
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Quote: Yes, it is valueless to me. It sounds like they are testing claims to detect physical human bodies behind screens. If people make those claims and fail those tests then, yes, their claims to do that are crapola. We are talking about auras here. I already covered what would have to be in play for a test to mean anything to me. Science will first have to validate auras and be able to detect them as well as color frequencies in them FIRST, in order to prove if someone who claims to see them can't. In the meantime, there is nothing else to go on but peoples personal experiences to validate them to and for themselves. No one has a gun to anyone elses head to believe in them. Whats the big deal anyway? Athletes train to visualize themselves performing to perfection and to see themselves winning. Are they deceiving themselves or is that a part of high performance training for personal success? They pay people to help them to do this. I don't hear anyone crying about it. So some people claim to see energy colors that indicate and give insight to the state of their own or another's well being. So what? Its not so far fetched. We know we emmit energy, we know energy as frequencies, we know the sun light energy carries frequency waves of the color spectrum we can see with the help of a prism. We know we are evolving beings with tons of dormant and active DNA yet to be understood for what it does or can do for us. I'm certainly not in any position to think we know all there is to know about human potential. I still am waiting for someone to tell me where the light we see with when we imagine and dream comes from. We don't have light bulbs in our skulls. It's dark in there. How does that work? I was watching the Discovery Health channel last week, and some neuro surgeon doing brain surgery on someone with Tourettes, said, "What we know about the human brain is still Sketchy." His exact words. And I am going to act like I know what it is and isn't capable of? I don't think so. ![]() ![]()
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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Not that I am aware, not even sure what you are talking about related to what I said. Conspiracy ?




