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Re: Auras....? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5456031 - 03/29/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i used jackass because i had to reiterate the fact several times that I CANT SEE AURAS THROUGH SOLID MATTER.i hate repeating myself

As do I. So I'll leave it to you to read above where I explained that you would not have to see auras through solid matter to win the million dollar prize. All you would have to do is to actually see them as you claim.


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Re: Auras....? [Re: Diploid]
    #5456051 - 03/29/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

this is a waste of time. and its putting me in a bad mood, which is unlike me. i dont need to prove what is beyond this reality, what is beyond your normal mode of perception, what you call imaginary or nonsesne because it all will speak for itself in time, and none of this right now is essential anyways. its not important atm.
gooday sir. sorry if my words insulted you.


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Re: Auras....? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5456053 - 03/29/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
Energy is everywhere and some disembodied spirits can pack a wallop stronger to sense then that of a weak human.




So is there a conspiracy of spirits making people trying to take the test fail? I can only imagine that a person could say "I see two, one over curtain a and one over b. Retest in a different location/when the spirit leaves?"

Tests are repeated often for a reason. Even tried-and-true tests for tried-and-true theories. (Though, most often, it's more for education then to attempt to disprove said theory)

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yes believing that a bio-electric field surrounds humans is harmful and looking at this believed field is harmful too. heck even thinking that you can see it is very bad. why millions are mislead into this each year...
its SOOO DETRIMENTAL!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
what is society coming to?!




It's detrimental because you're falling into a habit of not looking at things critically.

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i used jackass because i had to reiterate the fact several times that I CANT SEE AURAS THROUGH SOLID MATTER.i hate repeating myself, especially to people like you. sorry if i seemed to be on the "attack".




So, by your logic, your are a jackass. You see, the test is not to see an aura through a screen. It's to see the edges of an aura/chakra over the head of a person, with the screen obscuring just the person. If you can see auras a few inches out, as many claim to, especially those who see claim to see chakras do, then this should be no problem.


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Re: Auras....? [Re: Xanthas]
    #5456065 - 03/29/06 05:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

by my logic everyone's a jackass. except you, youre just another asshole bitch cunt motherfucker. :shocked:
ok so the test seems more of a possibility now that i understand it.
i would only have one request in taking it, that the person who is being viewed have a particularly strong aura, because most people have weak auric fields. if that could be comprimised ill take the damn challenge and spend all the money on an LSD laboratory.
and dont you preach to me about looking at things critically, im a product of 8 years of catholic school and heavy christian indoctrination and to be where i am now took a lot of critical thinking. not to mention im in college and i question every bit of material and information that i read, constantly to the point where its distracting from the material im suppost to be learning.


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Re: Auras....? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5456100 - 03/29/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

this is a waste of time. and its putting me in a bad mood, which is unlike me

One sure sign that your beliefs may be wanting is when you get upset at them being questioned.

[Note to audience: Here another mystic making bullshit claims, then running away in a hissy fit when I call their bluff rather than summarily proving me wrong and winning a million bucks along the way with a simple demonstration of their powers.]


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Re: Auras....? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5456105 - 03/29/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

fucking extremists....cant we all find a happy medium somewhere between logic and spirtuality? might i suggest reading the Dalai Lama's "the universe in a single atom"

im not upset that my beliefs are being challenged.im upset that i got pulled into this bullshit and almost went along with it. im upset with myself for feeling the need to even in the slightest validate spirtuality to an extremist like you. why do i feel the need to prove to you or anyone else something i experience on a daily basis? its not right, because its not essential or important to the hapiness or the causes of happiness for either of us which is my immediate concern. may you all have both.


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Re: Auras....? [Re: Diploid]
    #5456126 - 03/29/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You, Diploid, have failed to comment on my elaboration as chi of a phenomenon of having your mine tuned into to subtle bodily processes and the ability to then manipulate to stimulate health throughout the body.

what is so delusional about this, given the health benefits of activities that encourage the utilization of chi such as qi gong, yoga, tai chi, various forms of buddhist meditations, even chakra oriented new aged meditations.

The health benefits are well documented, people can shut off senses at will, the mind believing fully can transcend normal limits and do some rather complex things, people have healed cancer through laughter. Etc.

Imaginary or not, it works. What is your take?


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Re: Auras....? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5456127 - 03/29/06 05:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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ok so the test seems more of a possibility now that i understand it.
i would only have one request in taking it, that the person who is being viewed have a particularly strong aura, because most people have weak auric fields. if that could be comprimised ill take the damn challenge and spend all the money on an LSD laboratory.




Excellent on both counts. Singlehandedly prove something really, really awesome, shaking the scientific world, and making acid. I can only imagine that they'd let you use whoever you wanted (after, of course, ckecking to make sure there's no foul play).

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and dont you preach to me about looking at things critically, im a product of 8 years of catholic school and heavy christian indoctrination and to be where i am now took a lot of critical thinking. not to mention im in college and i question every bit of material and information that i read, constantly to the point where its distracting from the material im suppost to be learning.




You claim craploads of criticism in your life, but consider: The human mind is a powerful thing. Nobody yet has been able to proove aura-seeing ability. Hallucinations, image burn-ins, and all sorts of visual irregularities are common and well-documented. So are psychic frauds.

Which is more likely- You being the one person to be able to see auras, or through come positive feedback loop of wanting to, decieving yourself, and seeing a little fuzzyness around your hand, you've managed to "see auras"?


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Re: Auras....? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5456134 - 03/29/06 06:00 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

ok so the test seems more of a possibility now that i understand it.

So you're arguing a point without having even read the posts I've been making. :shake:

i would only have one request in taking it, that the person who is being viewed have a particularly strong aura

And again, you make it clear that you haven't read a thing I've said.

YOU CAN DESIGN THE TEST. YOU CAN SELECT THE PERSON WHOSE AURAS YOU CLAIM TO SEE. YOU CAN DESIGNATE THE LOCATION, THE LIGHTING, THE TEMPERATURE, THE WHATEVER YOU WANT. All the JREF will do is impose whatever restrictions are required on the test YOU DESIGN such that you will be unable to cheat.

That's it. Nothing more. I can't make this any simpler without losing entropy.

Now, are you going to take the test or refuse to read this post as well and just make up more excuses?


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Re: Auras....? [Re: Diploid]
    #5456149 - 03/29/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

look up^^^^^^^^^
and you will see why i refuse to take the test.
and why many yogi and meditators will refuse.
maybe if if aura seers were logical and scientific and
flashy and greedy assholes youd have better luck.
regardless of what is said here or done or even if my belief changes i still wont be able to stop seeing auras and i still wont be able to hide from the spirit world.
what a waste of precious moments.
edit: im willing to bet maybe what im seeing is ionized particles and moisture but im definately seeing SOMETHING.


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Re: Auras....? [Re: Xanthas]
    #5456195 - 03/29/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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Which is more likely- You being the one person to be able to see auras, or through come positive feedback loop of wanting to, decieving yourself, and seeing a little fuzzyness around your hand, you've managed to "see auras"?



You guys are missing the issue! Both are the same thing. Imagination becomes real to the one experiencing. If you USE your ability to see auras in combination with trusting in your subconscious judgements it will help you figure things out.

WHY does your brain paint someone a certain fucking color! It's the same reason you dream of your boss being a devil.... there's meaning to it if you let there be meaning to it. Is it imaginary? Sure...... is it wrong?

Your mind is sending you information about a person that is subtle and beneath conscious awareness....... and its sending it to you in a system. Dreams are as real as you let them be, they are your brains working map of reality. The same is true for auras... if you figure out what the colors mean to you and apply them to your relatoinships with other people they can teach you things about how you view other people.

Maybe your professor talks really pompously and the aura reflects that....... synesthesia....... it has to come from somewhere. Maybe someone is really pissed off, your brain picks up on the subtle cues and he flashes red right before he goes into a tantrum.... the brain is simply putting together useful patterns based upon what you're observing.

It's ALL in subjectivity. What is this fucking argument even about? It does not mean that you are RIGHT in what the aura you see tells you, but it DOES mean that the aura signifies something, because you believe in auras and put faith in them to signify to you. It's like trusting intuition. It's like trusting feeling. It's like knowing someone is pissed off even when they are hiding it from you. It's like thinking something right before your friend says because your conversation lead for it to happen... but in stead of just feelings or hunches it's direct synesthetic "hallucinations" i.e. translation of those subtler processes of the mind into imagery.

I mean if it's obvious to you someone is in pain, and that pain is then translated into an auric field... how is the auric field wrong exactly? You have two different perceptions of reality to work with. Imagine if you could simultaneously have access to dream consciousness and real consciousness while awake. you could sift through the dreams that are happening real time with reality in case your conscious brain missed something, and you can go in and get it back.

Will it be 100% accurate? No of course not, but it's the best your perceptions can do.

I don't get what this debate is over. real or unreal doesn't matter. Placebo alone can heal people! Nothing more than sugar water...... this denotes paranormality in and of itself if you ask me.

I mean also what the hell do you make of photographic memory? I'm sure there are some people that could glance over this post once and remember it in detail. There are some that could even draw up complex hallucinations of it and actually see it..... there was an autistic woman that built blueprints in her head naturally and viewed her world through her symbolic dream like interactions of it, because of this she was able to solve complex problems and make efficient designs that most people were unaware of.

The brain filters out almost all of the information it receives, if you have a way of getting access to it before it dissipates you can use it to your advantage, it's still going to be biased and maybe not helpful enough to win you a million dollars, maybe so.


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Re: Auras....? [Re: leery11]
    #5456210 - 03/29/06 06:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

all experience or phenomena is mind. i agree with you.


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Re: Auras....? [Re: leery11]
    #5456215 - 03/29/06 06:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

You, Diploid, have failed to comment on my elaboration as chi of a phenomenon of having your mine tuned into to subtle bodily processes and the ability to then manipulate to stimulate health throughout the body.

I thought I did comment on that.

If you define 'Chi' as above, then it is not mystical. It is a function of the person's ability to turn inward and control their body using natural processes of neurology and physiology. Great!

But if you define 'Chi' as something magical and mystical and that some tai chi master can manipulate and detect in another person and use it to diagnose and cure illness, then when tested, the tai chi master totally fails to demonstrate this, I call it self-deception and wishful thinking.

people can shut off senses at will, the mind believing fully can transcend normal limits and do some rather complex things

Those things are very impressive, but they are not magic.

people have healed cancer through laughter

Source to a peer-reviewed medical journal, please?

While state of mind certainly bears on people's health and their rate of recovery from illness, if laughing alone could cure cancer, it would mean the end of the discipline of oncology.

Or did you mean that laughter can help people recover after treatment with medical intervention (read: science)?


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Re: Auras....? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5456234 - 03/29/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

and you will see why i refuse to take the test

So, you posses the ability to win the million dollars and donate it to starving children in Africa, but you refuse to do it?

And you called ME an asshole...  :evil:


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Re: Auras....? [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #5456237 - 03/29/06 06:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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fucking extremists....cant we all find a happy medium somewhere between logic and spirtuality?



No. When empiricism and rationalism contradict faith, in a rational society, faith MUST yield.

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im not upset that my beliefs are being challenged.im upset that i got pulled into this bullshit and almost went along with it. im upset with myself for feeling the need to even in the slightest validate spirtuality to an extremist like you. why do i feel the need to prove to you or anyone else something i experience on a daily basis? its not right, because its not essential or important to the hapiness or the causes of happiness for either of us which is my immediate concern. may you all have both.



But what if you're wrong? What if Diploid is a truth seeker who feels sad that you could be misled? Consider it from his POV for a moment.

Here's this guy who might be made wiser by the abandoning of these (quite frankly) idiotic beliefs. Nobody else seems to be trying to illuminate him, so I will.

More then that, your sense of skepticism is hurt by this kind of thing.

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You have failed to comment on my elaboration as chi of a phenomenon of having your mine tuned into to subtle bodily processes and the ability to then manipulate to stimulate health throughout the body.

what is so delusional about this, given the health benefits of activities that encourage the utilization of chi such as qi gong, yoga, tai chi, various forms of buddhist meditations, even chakra oriented new aged meditations.

The health benefits are well documented, people can shut off senses at will, the mind believing fully can transcend normal limits and do some rather complex things, people have healed cancer through laughter. Etc.

Imaginary or not, it works. What is your take?




Several things I can draw from that. Firstly, and foremost, the things you mentioned are an exercise that decreases stress, increases mood/feeling of wellbeing, increases circulation, encourages deep breathing, etc., which are all excellent things for the body.

Secondly, I do believe that the mind is powerful enough to alter its perceptions of reality, encourage the healing of the body, etc. However, the eyes are not physically capable of perceiving other then the visual piece of the EM spectrum.

Thirdly, by the law of averages, some people will appear to be healed by everything. Consider (just an example, these numbers are out of my ass) that, in a year, 1/1000 people get cancer. Consider that 1/50 people spontaneously go into remission. Consider that 1/30 people practice some form of meditation/new-age-y things devoutly, and that 1/5 of those are "blinded by the light" enough to believe that everything good happening to them is due to those practices. In the US alone (300 million people) there would then be 200 people/year attributing their sudden remission to their practices.

By the law of averages, this will happen.


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Re: Auras....? [Re: Diploid]
    #5456278 - 03/29/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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If you define 'Chi' as above, then it is not mystical. It is a function of the person's ability to turn inward and control their body using natural processes of neurology and physiology. Great!



Well I would indeed say it's "mystical" because most people do not believe in it, it cannot be directly observed, and yet people clearly use it in their personal lives to improve their health and vitality. Given enough time I think science will prove and be able to observe everything "mystic" and or "parnormal" about the mind/body links etc.

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then when tested, the tai chi master totally fails to demonstrate this, I call it self-deception and wishful thinking.



I don't disagree...... this would make a much better test than aura reading. Though many teachers won't even accept payment for teaching people tai chi, I doubt they'd feel like doing it scientifically. They of course can heal people by teaching them the art and closely monitoring their progress.

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Those things are very impressive, but they are not magic.



You seem to be defining magic into a hole of impossibility. These things would once be thought magic and are a staple of any magickal practice.
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Or did you mean that laughter can help people recover after treatment with medical intervention (read: science)?



I don't know and I shouldn't have used anecdote. What I meant is that people can survive "incurable" disesase.

The point to drill is in there would be a time in which people would flat out reject the notion that by mind and willpower alone one can direct the healing processes of the body. Now it is pretty much almost accepted by the masses.

There would have been a time when westerners and even scientists would look at practitioners of exotic martial arts, magic rituals, etc, as crazy and decry any possibility of mind influencing physical body. And it would so happen that there would be a time when it would have been impossible to measure scientifically.

Consider lucid dreaming. It has been practiced since the beginning of time yet very few have had lucid dreams and it isn't until recently that it has even been proven to be a scientific possibility....... consider a time when science could not measure such abstract things: the current skeptic has open room to decry lucid dreamers as lunatics since by chance he and no one he knows can lucid dream or has ever had a dream... furthermore society DEFINES dream as a state of unconsciousness which severely limits the imagination from thinking anything to the contrary, and because the current scientific equipment does not allow for the testing and measuring of consciousness during sleep. In fact there are still people that state lucid dreaming is impossible due to arbitrary definitions of "sleep" and "dream" as unconscious states.

If society only accepted what is already proven no one would discover anything new.

Maybe telekenesis isn't possible, but we can't shut our minds on everything just because the times make it impossible to measure all pheonomenon that human beings claim to experience. Give it some time.

I do want to point out again that someone with powers strong enough to clearly predict future or manipulate the present, really dramatic things that this foundation so direly wants to measure...... are going to be reluctant to divulge such things in the first place.

Though the more extreme and godly a power sounds, the less likely it is to be legitimate.


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Re: Auras....? [Re: leery11]
    #5456283 - 03/29/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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You guys are missing the issue! Both are the same thing. Imagination becomes real to the one experiencing.
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Is it imaginary? Sure...... is it wrong?
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It's ALL in subjectivity. What is this fucking argument even about?
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I don't get what this debate is over. real or unreal doesn't matter.




This debate assumes that real and unreal matter. The thesis is that auras are an objective thing. The antithesis is that auras are subjective.

As I said, this debate assumes empiricism is a way to know the world, that there exist things that are not purely subjective to you.


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Re: Auras....? [Re: Xanthas]
    #5456346 - 03/29/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

but how can empiricism cross into the subjective?

dreams are real but we cannot record them, only map the neurological processes. the best we can do is draw pictures of them and write stories about them. we know they happen, though.

do you have a link to the aura study that details how it was failed?


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: Auras....? [Re: leery11]
    #5456380 - 03/29/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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but how can empiricism cross into the subjective?

dreams are real but we cannot record them, only map the neurological processes. the best we can do is draw pictures of them and write stories about them. we know they happen, though.

do you have a link to the aura study that details how it was failed?




Empiricism does not deny that you may have had dreams, but denies that they actually (physically) happened. Essentially, anything that one experiences that is not objective is subjective.

If that's not what you're asking, I'm not sure what you are.

I believe Diploid provided the link above.


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Re: Auras....? [Re: Xanthas]
    #5456404 - 03/29/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

mmm what i'm saying is dreams may exist in your head but can provide valuable information about physical reality.

and let's say something weird happens in your house while you're dreaming and you dream about it........ it happens.

what i'm saying is auras may be subjective but that does not mean that they cannot give you verifiable information. But I haven't seen them enough to have any say on whether or not they do...........

I mean first off if you can see chakras, you have to be looking at a person that is intimately familiar with their chakras so that when you say "his solar plexus is open" the person can verify that yes, their solar plexus is open.

So I don't know. I do think it could be scientifically proven.... but then again how do they know that that person isn't in it with you for the money since you have to select people similar to you with similar abilities? I also do think that people would shy away of such greedy purposes and would be more likely to demonstrate it for free or not at all.

What use would it have if you COULD see chakras? What use to science? If you could diagnose disease with auras then yeah.


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