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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Having Nothing to Defend [Re: dblaney]
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"This does not mean that I do not have a view, but I wish to indulge it less

"Is not this entire thread an indulgence then?"

Certainly it is an indulgence. I have much self importance yet, BUT I do like to discuss....I just want to cut back on defending.

"I care less and less for the views of my fellow humans. If they agree with me or not I am happy

In Buddhism you would become an arhat or a pratyekabuddha with this attitude. That's someone who knows the Truth but just keeps it to themselves. It's essentially without any compassion. The whole world may believe themselves to be in suffering, but you realize that you aren't, so what difference does it make to you?"

Deviate had a good answer for this.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Having Nothing to Defend [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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if it be that somehow you teach yourself through indulging in masterbating your own view point,
then it be that somehow you are upholding a certain cross section of life & existence through doing that process of self discovery

maybe it is your duty to serve the great earth spirit by sitting in front of a computer if for no other reason than to hunch your back a little so that you don't bump your head on the way inside the cave of timelessness.

i think what is most important is enjoying what you're doing.
indulging in joy is the way of the warrior.
accompanying joy is always sorrow.
and how else can you reslove these two into one without partaking in the mysteries?

in chess you may be offensive or defensive sometimes, and pleasure is derived from indulging in the game.
(whether you win or lose?)

i think the real danger we're speaking of is Sloth.
games are a waste of time, aren't they?
but what isn't a waste of time is enjoying yourself, or feeling love with ideas or your own voice or whatever.

in this breath then, perhaps having nothing to defend, even though it may remove conflict, it's still a negative thing, it's not productive or useful, and it doesn't obey the right order of things.

???

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Re: Having Nothing to Defend [Re: dblaney]
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Some men... you just can't reach. :grin:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Having Nothing to Defend [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Quote:
If one has nothing to defend then there is no point of conflict to engage that individual.


it's as though people are protecting their virginity. the conflict is a petty distraction from a real challenge, which is truly listening. once one has developed some talent at this, everything and everyone has the potential to tell us something about our universe.


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Having Nothing to Defend [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
Some men... you just can't reach. :grin:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


BTW, did you get my PM by any chance?


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln

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Re: Having Nothing to Defend [Re: dblaney]
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maybe having or defending a viewpoint which then inevitable creates a conflict in argument, or conflictive viewpoints; is not the problem, the problem is the emotional concern to whether that viewpoint is expressed, or the emotional concern of its validity, in short if we don't care, then it doesn't matter whether there's something to defend or not.

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Re: Having Nothing to Defend [Re: Telepylus]
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My concern is simply that by arguing a point that one's viewpoint can become stuck as a result of debating a point vigorously. It pins one down...makes one resistant to change.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Having Nothing to Defend [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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If the viewpoint is empircal, either has a right or wrong answer, and you refuse the truth, this is the only way it can make you resistant change

if the viewpoint is not empircal, no definitive right or wrong answer, wether you show concern for or not, its totally subjective, and what you say applies

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Re: Having Nothing to Defend [Re: capliberty]
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"If the viewpoint is empirical, either has a right or wrong answer, and you refuse the truth, this is the only way it can make you resistant change"

I would not argue against a point that was empirical...such as science or other known fact...I am referring to philosophy as what I will not defend...and empirical knowledge requires no defense. Truth is it's own defense.

This may well be the last point that I defend:
In the future I may discuss or promote that which seems wise to me, but I will NOT attack or defend a philosophical/moral point. In the past I have attacked many ideas that I now see as truth and defended some ideas that are ludicrous to me now. In hindsight I see attacking and defending as a merely egocentric activity with no bearing on truth. If one calls another a fool it will not change their view...it only hardens their resolve. I will promote that which I prefer instead of attacking or defending anything. Note...one can promote without defending that position. So, this is my last defense.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Having Nothing to Defend [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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even philosophical arguments have empirical laws

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