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Christ consciousness.
#5492382 - 04/08/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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When someone attains Christ-consciousness, do you think...... they pretty much become Christ, and exist only to bring other people into Christ consciousness? Do you think there is no distinction between them and Jesus at that point? Figuratively speaking?
Do you think there are people in this world right now have attained Christ consciousness and are staying here to help the rest of us?
Do you think it's possible for the polar opposite to be, that someone could be completely and totally "evil" and corrupted with some sort of evil consciousness and attempt to take people's minds, that way, too? Or do you think that such things are impossible..... that they would never make it that far, that evil is simply being mundane and no altered consciousness will come of it, to give you power to corrupt?
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Re: Christ consciousness. [Re: leery11]
#5492467 - 04/08/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think the Christ thing is given to all who really pursue it.And once obtained continue to chase it cuz the first sight of straying and it goes away. The lack of miracles and healings and thing of the sort are proof that none is willing to go that far with the religion.On the other side i think being evil just comes so natural that one only need to look for it to atain it. At least thats how its been explained to me.
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Re: Christ consciousness. [Re: leery11]
#5492472 - 04/08/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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First I think it's important to state what is meant by "Christ Consciousness" as it is potentially ambiguous. I interpret it to mean the state of yoga, which Jesus was probably immersed in constantly or nearly constantly.
Do you think there is no distinction between them and Jesus at that point? Figuratively speaking?
Pretty much, the only distinction that can be made is by someone living in the world of Maya, or ignorance.
Do you think there are people in this world right now have attained Christ consciousness and are staying here to help the rest of us?
Absolutely! The Bodhisattva and Guru are two prime examples.
Do you think it's possible for the polar opposite to be, that someone could be completely and totally "evil" and corrupted with some sort of evil consciousness and attempt to take people's minds, that way, too?
Consciousness does not have attributes such as 'good' or 'evil', it is merely ignorance that gives rise to these qualifications. If someone is corrupt or evil, it is because they are living in ignorance.
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Re: Christ consciousness. [Re: dblaney]
#5492515 - 04/08/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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dblaney said:
Consciousness does not have attributes such as 'good' or 'evil', it is merely ignorance that gives rise to these qualifications. If someone is corrupt or evil, it is because they are living in ignorance.
mmmm but what if someone wants to destroy a large number of people and somehow has the mental strength/powers/consciousness in order to do so?
Is there a polar opposite incarnate, human form, of a Boddhisattva, or is the polar opposite of the Boddhisattva simply THIS realm right now, samsara, maya.... etc?
I'm seeing things in dualities right now.
and for Christ-consciousness..... what I mean is basically what you say, it is a state of illumination from which you are liberated from rebirth and death, and from which you gain inner divinity and lose the false self, the ..... ignorant and spiteful and dangerous qualities of the human mind, basically like being a Buddha or a Boddhisattva..... but I guess I view it as you attain Christ-consciousness while a human, you aren't born from the heavens or anything to come down to help, you just are a normal human and eventually you purify? Well that doesn't matter too much .....
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Edited by leery11 (04/08/06 11:20 AM)
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Re: Christ consciousness. [Re: leery11]
#5492800 - 04/08/06 12:33 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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The "second coming" of Christ, is Christ-consciousness... ..we all are! :p
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Re: Christ consciousness. [Re: Gomp]
#5492976 - 04/08/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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The mind transforms in order to conduct higher levels of awareness. The more one becomes aware of consciousness and "identify" with it, the less one's direct perceptions and subsequent experience of reality becomes obstructed by mental constructs.
Whatever action or behavior flows through oneself will occur naturally, as the ultimate expression of awareness. Speculation as to what that action or behavior will be when one is conducting Christ consciousness is rather moot.
Moot! 
One of the profound realizations that results from awareness is that we are all on paths of developing awareness. The fact that one has raised their level of awareness promotes that level of awareness in others through one's interaction with one's environment.
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Re: Christ consciousness. [Re: leery11]
#5493136 - 04/08/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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When someone attains Christ-consciousness, do you think...... they pretty much become Christ, and exist only to bring other people into Christ consciousness? Do you think there is no distinction between them and Jesus at that point? Figuratively speaking?
well i think that its important to remember that just because someone has attained the level of consciousness of jesus, doesn't make them jesus. in other words, they wouldn't necessarily say the exact same thing as jesus or behave the same way. they will express their own individuality in christ. but i dont think that's what you meant. in the sense that both them and jesus are the living christ, there is no disctinction.
Do you think there are people in this world right now have attained Christ consciousness and are staying here to help the rest of us?
yes
Do you think it's possible for the polar opposite to be, that someone could be completely and totally "evil" and corrupted with some sort of evil consciousness and attempt to take people's minds, that way, too? Or do you think that such things are impossible..... that they would never make it that far, that evil is simply being mundane and no altered consciousness will come of it, to give you power to corrupt?
i agree that evil results from ignorance but i also believe that people who commit extremely evil acts live in a different state of conscioussness from normal people. i believe that our actions are a function of our state of conscousness and a typical person stuck in the duality consciousness simply wouldn't commit extremely evil acts under normal circumstances. i've had the experience of being possessed by evil before, so i believe the evil people you speak of embody some measure of that state of consciousness.
Edited by Deviate (04/08/06 01:49 PM)
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Re: Christ consciousness. [Re: lysergicide]
#5493141 - 04/08/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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lysergicide said: Christ isn't a being but a representation of one's purer self. The only person that can bring you into a world of enlightenment is yourself.
That/this is what Jesus thought, in the great book! 
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Re: Christ consciousness. [Re: Deviate]
#5493187 - 04/08/06 02:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Deviate said: i agree that evil results from ignorance but i also believe that people who commit extremely evil acts live in a different state of conscioussness from normal people.
Everyone exists in a different state of consciousness than everyone else, due to the interaction of pure awareness and their mind, which focuses that awareness differently and utilizes it for different endeavors, different experiences, different perceptions....
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i've had the experience of being possessed by evil before, so i believe the evil people you speak of embody some measure of that state of consciousness.
"Possessed by evil"?
Please elaborate in detail. I've personally found such notions as "evil" to be nothing more than grandiose concepts that a mind, for whatever reason, uses to interpret actions and thoughts, and that such a concept doesn't actually lie inherent within the action or thought itself.... more "delusion" than anything else, as it isn't resultant from one's direct perceptions....
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Everyone exists in a different state of consciousness than everyone else, due to the interaction of pure awareness and their mind, which focuses that awareness differently and utilizes it for different endeavors, different experiences, different perceptions....
right and i believe our actions are a function of this.
" "Possessed by evil"?
Please elaborate in detail. I've personally found such notions as "evil" to be nothing more than grandiose concepts that a mind, for whatever reason, uses to interpret actions and thoughts, and that such a concept doesn't actually lie inherent within the action or thought itself.... more "delusion" than anything else, as it isn't resultant from one's direct perceptions...."
it was resultant from my direct perceptions and not an interpretation by any means. the word "evil" is an interpretation but what it describes is not. i'll put it this way, assuming such a thing could be measured, i would be willing to wager that you would find higher levels of it in people who commit so called "evil" acts than in normal people and assuming it could be induced artificially, i would again be willing to wager that people would immediately identify it as "evil" or an "evil spirit" or something along those lines.
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Re: Christ consciousness. [Re: leery11]
#5493249 - 04/08/06 02:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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leery11 said: When someone attains Christ-consciousness, do you think...... they pretty much become Christ, and exist only to bring other people into Christ consciousness? Do you think there is no distinction between them and Jesus at that point? Figuratively speaking?
for all intents and purposes there is no difference. THe only difference is the year. God is father to all of us. Not just Jesus.
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Do you think there are people in this world right now have attained Christ consciousness and are staying here to help the rest of us?
from Revelations:
9After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
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Do you think it's possible for the polar opposite to be, that someone could be completely and totally "evil" and corrupted with some sort of evil consciousness and attempt to take people's minds, that way, too? Or do you think that such things are impossible..... that they would never make it that far, that evil is simply being mundane and no altered consciousness will come of it, to give you power to corrupt?
yes that would be the spirit of "satan". There is no doubt that the mind can either work to help, or to work to destroy. Creation adn destruction, duality, Neither can exist without the other.
if there is a Christ then there must be an Anti-Christ.
peace
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Re: Christ consciousness. [Re: leery11]
#5493311 - 04/08/06 02:51 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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All of us who have faith in Christ, are "in Christ" to greater or lesser degrees. Here's an example of the steadfastness of an indwelling Compassion that 'governs' [Lords] behavior. My Lady and I are plagued by some low-class people next door, who moved to a better neighborhood but took their fear-drenched ghetto values with them. They purchased a German Shephard which they put outside all night. It is a big dog with an incredibly deep bark, who is lonely, bored, never walked or played with, and who barks even at passing aircraft. Even this morning at 4:00 am, my Lady called the police, who responded. She called them night before last and the same annoyed Metro-Dade cop showed up. The cop basically refused to write the neighbor a ticket because the cop thinks like the neighbor, so the neighbor is laughing.
We purchased an ultrasonic dog repeller which works, but I have to be awakened by the dog to manually push a remote button to set it off (the microphone-trigger on the unit sucks). We're being awakened several times a night. We're not gonna move. Now, if we weren't under Compassion, I would have crushed up a few Vicodin or Percoset, rolled the dope into a meatball and it would be lights out forever for the dog. When the neighbor's wife confronted us about the ultrasonic device "messin' with her dog's head," I told her that it's because we're not the kind of people to up and poison a dog. The dog is being its unhappy self, the people could take it in for the night but refuse to.
We struggle at times with thoughts of killing the dog, but no matter how 'deep-n-dark' our thoughts get in the middle of the night, Compassion for the animal buoys us up from acting thusly. Geting the ass**le neighbors a citation from the cops sits perfectly well with us, as does having the cops wake THEM up at 3 or 4 in the morning. The neighbors' attitude is clear about us: they dislike us. Despite my help after the hurricane, and overtures of neighborliness, these are old school, African-Americans who dislike White people, and Really dislike Black-White couples, and basically are saying 'F**K you!' to us from their hatred and prejudice.
I felt like a concrete example might make more sense that some metaphysical speculation about Christhood. We are on a path toward 'theosis' - becoming Christ in our inner lives, but we don't manifest anything more miraculous than simply not doing what lots of south Floridians do - taking the law in their own hands and violating the laws of man AND God. We are "in Christ" and Christ is in us. If you knew how important a good night's sleep is to us, you would truly see the sainthood-in-everyday-life that we are manifesting! 
Peace.
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Re: Christ consciousness. [Re: Deviate]
#5493844 - 04/08/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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the word "evil" is an interpretation but what it describes is not.
Okay so you're saying that there is an objective world, and that it is people who subjectively interpret the world as 'good' or 'evil'.
i'll put it this way, assuming such a thing could be measured, i would be willing to wager that you would find higher levels of it in people who commit so called "evil" acts than in normal people
And now you're saying that evil is actually objective. That there exists a perfect Form or Ideal of evil. That evil exists outside of people's minds and is a part of Nature, appearing in varying degrees. This strikes me as a contradiction.
and assuming it could be induced artificially, i would again be willing to wager that people would immediately identify it as "evil" or an "evil spirit" or something along those lines.
So then your worldview is that there are two ultimate and absolute objective forces that are competing against one another, and it is man who labels them as 'good' or 'evil'?
If this is indeed your worldview, then I'm curious as to how God or the equivalent fits into your view. Surely if God is Good then He wouldn't allow for Evil. However, you surely would agree that evil exists. So then we must revise the earlier statement to say that God is Good and Evil. If He is both at once, then clearly He doesn't discriminate between them, otherwise how else could He be both polarities simultaneously? If God and accordingly Nature don't discriminate between Good and Evil (since both exist), then neither should we. We must recognize that there are merely events, and it is our minds which interpret these events as either good or bad, depending upon our preferences and desires.
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Re: Christ consciousness. [Re: dblaney]
#5493996 - 04/08/06 06:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I always fall back onto the statement: Evil is the absence of G*D. Then everything comes from one but you have something complementary, even with only one 'pole'. If there could be something absolutely absent of g*d, I wonder myself. I only see it in degrees  But 'free will', I can imagine, can come to totaly absence of g*d, so we don't have to look that far
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I think that, if you were truly compassionate for the animal, you would put it out of its misery.
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MarkostheGnostic said: All of us who have faith in Christ, are "in Christ" to greater or lesser degrees. Here's an example of the steadfastness of an indwelling Compassion that 'governs' [Lords] behavior. My Lady and I are plagued by some low-class people next door, who moved to a better neighborhood but took their fear-drenched ghetto values with them. They purchased a German Shephard which they put outside all night. It is a big dog with an incredibly deep bark, who is lonely, bored, never walked or played with, and who barks even at passing aircraft. Even this morning at 4:00 am, my Lady called the police, who responded. She called them night before last and the same annoyed Metro-Dade cop showed up. The cop basically refused to write the neighbor a ticket because the cop thinks like the neighbor, so the neighbor is laughing.
We purchased an ultrasonic dog repeller which works, but I have to be awakened by the dog to manually push a remote button to set it off (the microphone-trigger on the unit sucks). We're being awakened several times a night. We're not gonna move. Now, if we weren't under Compassion, I would have crushed up a few Vicodin or Percoset, rolled the dope into a meatball and it would be lights out forever for the dog. When the neighbor's wife confronted us about the ultrasonic device "messin' with her dog's head," I told her that it's because we're not the kind of people to up and poison a dog. The dog is being its unhappy self, the people could take it in for the night but refuse to.
We struggle at times with thoughts of killing the dog, but no matter how 'deep-n-dark' our thoughts get in the middle of the night, Compassion for the animal buoys us up from acting thusly. Geting the ass**le neighbors a citation from the cops sits perfectly well with us, as does having the cops wake THEM up at 3 or 4 in the morning. The neighbors' attitude is clear about us: they dislike us. Despite my help after the hurricane, and overtures of neighborliness, these are old school, African-Americans who dislike White people, and Really dislike Black-White couples, and basically are saying 'F**K you!' to us from their hatred and prejudice.
I felt like a concrete example might make more sense that some metaphysical speculation about Christhood. We are on a path toward 'theosis' - becoming Christ in our inner lives, but we don't manifest anything more miraculous than simply not doing what lots of south Floridians do - taking the law in their own hands and violating the laws of man AND God. We are "in Christ" and Christ is in us. If you knew how important a good night's sleep is to us, you would truly see the sainthood-in-everyday-life that we are manifesting! 
Peace.
wow and you call yourself a christian. way to treat your fellow man.
So you have neighbors who worked hard as shit and made enough money to get out of the hood', adn what do they find when they make it to "a better life" an asshole neighbor who throws a fit when he doesn't get his way, calls the cops in the middle of the night(even the fuckin pig sided with the hoodrat, which believe me says more than you think about the way you come off to people), abuses their dogs sensitive ears, etc etc.
heres a hint man, your neighbor isnt afraid of the cops and he isnt afraid of you. He loves his dog and now you by asking him to put it inside have assured that he will keep it outside just to piss you off. looks like you handled the situation well.
But your a decent guy so heres the solution, get some earplugs.
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Re: Christ consciousness. [Re: blaze2]
#5494739 - 04/08/06 09:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's the neighbors that lack simple compassion for their dog. Dogs are supposed to be a companion of people, not left out in the yard like a guardsmen to bark away imaginary threats in the neighborhood at night. If they loved their dog and had compassion for it he would be settled at the foot of their bed at night, not left to his own devices, where he barks out of boredom. Some people view their pets as nothing but mechanical creatures, with little insight to the personality of their pets. Their racism towards others is also telling of their character.
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Re: Christ consciousness. [Re: Basilides]
#5494902 - 04/08/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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first off people do not have to show their love in the same way as you to call it love. That dogs job is guarding the house at night to give that guy enough warning to find his gun most likely. I'm sure the guy takes great care of the dog it just so happens that he gave teh dog a night job. oh well its not "simple lack of compassion" its having a pet that is useful God forbid somebody tell Peta.
second off he's most likely not racist against white people, he probrobly has a problem with something else about Markos like calling the cops to take care of a problem he should have dealt with man to man. Something most white city boys never figure out by the way.
You say this guy lived in a bad part of town and you think hes just "uncivilized" I assume. Man I visit a neighborhood all the time that is far worse than wherever this guy came from. I got mexican mafia guys staring me down, everyone walks around strapped and theres plenty of crackheads hiding in shacks.
I live in a small cattle country suburb of san antonio, there were less than 10 blacks in my 2000 people plus HS. I go up in this hood as a skinny(125lbs) white hippy with long ass blond hair, and I get respect. They all know me now, and I'm friendly with all of them. Ive never once been frightened or even threatened. It makes no difference what color you are man. its how you hold yourself, how you look at someone, or even how you dont.
Point is if that guy doesnt respect Markos then Markos isnt commanding it.
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Edited by blaze2 (04/10/06 12:49 PM)
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