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Jesus as the lord of mushrooms
    #5975689 - 08/18/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Early 12th century painting



Anyone got any more pics / info on Jesus use of psychedelic drugs?


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Re: Jesus as the lord of mushrooms [Re: Jalruza]
    #5975698 - 08/18/06 11:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

You should watch pharmacratic inquisition, it's a very interesting documentary and it's mostly related to that.
Here's the link from which you can torrent download it Pharmacratic Inquisition


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Re: Jesus as the lord of mushrooms [Re: Jalruza]
    #5975759 - 08/18/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Source? Verification?

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Re: Jesus as the lord of mushrooms [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5975826 - 08/18/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

pharmacratic inquisition? what is that??? I dont have fast connection so i cant download it, can you tell me whats it about? Got any text links, screenshots?


As for source i donno man, i got it on another board, try asking at icmag.com/ic


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Re: Jesus as the lord of mushrooms [Re: Jalruza]
    #5976439 - 08/18/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.egodeath.com/amanita.htm

MUSHROOMS AND SNAILS IN ANCIENT LITURGY OF EARLEY CHRISTIANS OF AQUILEIA

Franco Fabbro

The mosaic floor of the northern hall in the ancient Christian basilica at Aquileia dating back to a period set before 330 AD reproduces several symbolic objects and pictorial scenes. Among these, a baskets filled with mushrooms and another with snails deserve special attention. Mushrooms and snails are two rare elements of early Christian iconography. Those snails have been identified as Helix (Helix) cincta, whereas the mushrooms are more difficult to determine. They bear typical traits of Amanita cesarea (e.g. a yellow stem) and others of Amanita muscaria (white gills and stem). Several hypotheses on the presence of mushrooms and snails in the basilica have been put forward: i) both are only simple decorative motives; ii) they symbolize typical nourishment served during holy banquets or iii) they were ingested by the (initiated) audience of liturgical celebrations in order to attain ecstasy.

The complete paper will be published in "Eleusis. Journal of Psychedelic Plants and Components" n° 3, 1999 - a prelimnary early version follows.

Comments are welcome to Franco Fabbro


DID EARLY CHRISTIANS USE HALLUCINOGENIC MUSHROOMS? ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE.
Franco Fabbro - Preliminary version, March 1996

Use of hallucinogenic substances in ancient religions
The ritual use of hallucinogenic substances has been widely documented for various shamanic cults of Asian, American and African culture. In the so-called major religions hallucinogens have also been found to play a relevant role in ritualistic practice. Some hymns of the Rig Veda for instance, were composed under the influence of a plant called soma, which, according to ethnobotanic studies, has been identified as the mushroom Amanita muscaria, commonly known as fly-agaric [1]. The use of soma in early Indian religion spread to ancient Iran: actually, in Zoroastrianism an intoxicating substance, haoma, was used in rites as a drink, and also in this case researchers suggest that haoma was extracted from the fly-agaric [2]. Most probably, the practice of ingesting hallucinogenic substances in order to reach ecstasy and have visions during religious ceremonies later also influenced Jewish sacerdotal environments, in particular during the first and second deportation of the Jewish people in Babilonia (597 B.C. and 587-520 B.C., respectively). The experience of captivity probably allowed some Jewish sacerdotal groups to become acquainted with and then use particular religious practices that influenced prophetism (cf. the books of Ezekiel and Zechariah in the Bible) and apocalypticism (cf. the books of Daniel in the Bible, and Enoch and Ezra of the Old Testament Pseudepigrapha). These practices bore typical features of ecstatic experiences induced by hallucinogens (cf. Ezekiel 1-3; Ezra 9:23-28). Religious habits in early Christianity had so many things in common with early Judaism, and in particular with apocalypticism [3], that a transmission of the techniques to reach ecstasy and visions from early Judaism to early Christianity is most likely to have occurred. Philological studies of the past suggested that some early Christian groups also made use of Amanita muscaria as a hallucinogenic substance during specific religious rites [4]. This hypothesis has been vigorously contested [5], in particular because no historical data were said to be available in order to support it.



Hallucinogenic mushrooms in the Basilica of Aquileia
However, it is my purpose to add further relevant data to corroborate this interesting hypothesis, by bringing new evidence in favour of it. In the worship hall of the ancient Basilica of Aquileia, which is located towards the north of the church, measures 37 meters long and 17 meters wide (see Fig. 1) and dates back to a period before 330 A.D. [6], a beautiful mosaic is very likely to attest to the habit of ingesting mushrooms during early Christian religious ceremonies. Aquileia lies in the northern part of the Adriatic Sea where Italy borders on Slovenia, some 5 km from the coast along a canalized river and about 100 km from Venice.



Figure 1.
Plan of the northern hall of the ancient basilica of Aquileia with the mosaics of the first Christian church dating back to a period before 330 A.D. The arrow and circle show the location of the two baskets containing mushrooms and snails. A large proportion of the mosaic has been destroyed with the construction of the church tower (T) erected in the 11th century A.D.




It was founded by the Romans in the 3rd century B.C. and by the 1st century A.D. it was a strategically important military harbour and a flourishing trade centre, counting about 200,000 inhabitants. This town had tight cultural and commercial links with Rome and Alexandria in Egypt, the most important economic and cultural centres at that time, and hosted a large Jewish community [7]. In the oratory of the northern hall (Fig. 1), the most ancient part of the whole basilica, the floor mosaic depicts, among a variety of other objects, animals and symbols, two baskets: one containing red mushrooms and the other nine snails (Fig. 2 and 3). An epigraph in the mosaic states that the oratory was part of a building which was used for religious ceremonies.


Figure 2.
Part of the Aquileian mosaic showing the basket with mushrooms.There are at least eight exemplars with dark red caps and typical characteristics of the type Amanita muscaria. Since these mushrooms are contained in a basket some scholars [8] suggest that this is a hint for their use during ceremonies as edible substances and not as mere ornamental patterns.


Figure 3.
Part of the Aquileian mosaic showing the basket with snails, most probably of the type Helix (Helix) cincta. Also in this case the presence of a basket suggests that snails were eaten during religious ceremonies probably together with mushrooms.







Its words are: Ianuariu(s) ... de Dei dono v(ovit) p(edes) DCCCLXXX (...), which means that Ianuarius contributed with his money, God’s gift, to the costs of 880 feet (26 square meters) of mosaic flooring. It has been suggested that the two baskets containing edible plants and animals hint at ritual meals and agapae enjoyed by early Christians in places of worship [8]. In the basket full of mushrooms there are at least eight exemplars with dark red caps scattered with pale orange mosaic tesserae and white radiating gill-shaped lamellae in the undersurface of the caps. On the basis of the colour and the form of these mushrooms, it is reasonable to suggest that these are fungi of the type Amanita muscaria. Just besides the mushrooms there is a second basket containing nine snails of the type Helix (Helix) cincta, which can be found also nowadays in the fields around Aquileia.
In the 4th century A.D. the mosaic floor of the northern hall was completely covered by the pavement of a new church and only after about 1,500 years, at the beginning of the present century, were the mosaics of the first Christian church in Aquileia unveiled again [9]. By remaining covered for such a long time, the mosaic did not suffer from deterioration and rehandlings by other artists, thus preserving a unique iconography of early Christianity. Illustrations of mushrooms and snails are quite unusual within Christian iconography. Snails were a very common food among the ancient Romans, who ate them also during funeral banquets, because these hibernating animals were symbolically related to burials and resurrection [10]. In addition, the Romans were particularly familiar with snail-breeding techniques, knowing that the way they fed these animals determined their taste and postprandial effects. Amanita muscaria, a hallucinogenic mushroom commonly growing in vast areas of Europe and Asia, is part of the typical vegetation of the Carnic Alps around the territory of Aquileia. The ingestion of 1 to 4 fly-agarics may induce an intense feeling of joy and excitation with a reduction of the sense of fatigue and an enhancement of verbal production. By taking in more pieces (5 to 9), subjetcs first become very agitated and have vivid hallucinations, then they fall in a narcotic-cataleptic state, characterized by a deep sleep, from which they cannot be roused, and a very intense dreaming activity [11]. The psychotropic activity elicited by this mushroom mainly depends on the agent muscimol, which is an agonist of the gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA) [12]. Muscimol has the highest affinity for the GABAA receptors with a weak activity at GABAB receptors, thus being able to modify cerebral excitability in general and in particular motor, emotional and cognitive activities, which are controlled by the basal ganglia and the frontal lobes [13, 14].
Since the assumption of Amanita muscaria may cause gastroenteric symptoms (e.g. nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain), most probably these complications were avoided with simple precautions: Instead of directly eating the mushrooms, it was good practice to first feed snails with these mushrooms for several days and then eat the snails. By doing so, the active hallucinogenic substances contained in Amanita muscaria could be ingested without having nasty gastroenteric side effects. A similar practice is also known among Siberian shamans, who have hallucination experiences after eating the meat of reindeer feeding on Amanita muscaria [15].



Conclusions
The presence of mosaic illustrations in the basilica of Aquileia representing mushrooms with psychotropic properties indicates that some religious rites of early Christianity, which were probably linked to mysterial cults meant to be kept secret, were related to the ingestion of hallucinogenic substances facilitating mystic ecstasy. It still remains to be seen, however, whether these ecstatic techniques were a common heritage of all early Christian churches or whether they were known and practiced only within some heretic groups of Christians. Roman authorities repeatedly accused early Christians of practicing sorcery by using hallucinogenic substances (Origen, Contra Celsum, I,68; VI,38) [16]. However, Irenaeus (130-200 A.D.) bishop of Lyon, maintained that only heretic churches, thus also the gnostic churches, made use of hallucinogens within magic rites (Irenaeus, Adversus Haereses, I,13-15; I,24-25) [17].
The identification of pictures reproducing hallucinogenic mushrooms in the premises of an ancient Christian church may help us to understand some aspects of those mysterious rites or of the so-called "discipline of the arcanum" [18] characterizing the most ancient Christian liturgy that, by definition, had to be kept secret and handed down orally to initiated disciples only.

Copyright © Franco Fabbro --draft-- comments are welcomed at fabfra@univ.trieste.it



Notes and References



Wasson, G.R. Soma. Divine Mushroom of Immortality (Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, New York, 1968). Wasson G.R. The soma in the Rig Veda: What was it? Journal of the American Oriental Society, 91: 169-187 (1971).

Gnoli, G. Zoroaster’s Time and Homeland. A Study on the Origins of Mazdeism and Related Problems (Istituto Universitario Orientale, Naples, 1980). More recently, D. S. Flattery and M. Schwartz (Haoma and Harmaline, University of California Press, Berkeley, 1989) claimed that haoma was not obtained from the mushroom Amanita muscaria, but rather from Peganum harmala, a plant containing a strong psychoactive alkaloid, i.e. harmaline. As the authors report, this hypothesis had been suggested to them by Dr. Claudio Naranjo (pp. 23-25) who described the hallucinogenic effects he himself experienced after ingesting a drink containing harmaline. In addition, Naranjo denies having felt any effect after eating some pieces of Amanita muscaria which he had gathered in California (personal communication). However, it is well known that the concentration of psychoactive agents in Amanita muscaria significantly differs according to the place and the season of gathering. On the other hand, the hallucinogenic effects of this mushroom as well as their variability in concentration have been widely recognized already in the first systematic, scientific papers on hallucinogenic substances (See Lewin, L. Phantastika - Die betäubenden und erregenden Genussmittel, Verlag G. Stilke, Berlin, 1924).

Charlesworth, J.H. Jesus within Judaism. New Light from Exciting Archaeological Discoveries (Doubleday, New York, 1988).


Allegro, J.M. The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross (Doubleday, New York, 1970).

King, J.C. A Christian View of the Mushroom Myth (Hodder and Stoughton, London, 1970).

Bertacchi L. in Da Aquileia a Venezia (eds Forlati Tamaro, B. et al.) 185-221 (Scheiwiller, Milano, 1980).

Mirabella Roberti, M. Aquileia e l’Oriente mediterraneo (Arti Grafiche Friulane, Udine, 1977).

Brusin, G. & Zovatto, P.L. 1957. Monumenti paleocristiani di Aquileia e di Grado (Doretti, Udine, 1957).

Von Lanckoronski, K. et al. Der Dom von Aquileia. Sein Bau und seine Geschichte (Gerlach-Wiedling, Wien, 1906).

Gallo, G. L’allevamento della chiocciola (Edagricole, Bologna, 1976).

Waser, P.G. in Ethnopharmacologic Search for Psychoactive Drugs (ed. Efron, D.H.) 419-438 (Raven Press, New York, 1979).

Schultes, R.E. & Hofmann, A. The Botany and Chemistry of Hallucinogens (Thomas Pub., Springfield, 1980).

Lloyd, K.G. & Morselli, P.L. in Psychopharmacology. The Third Generation of Progress (ed. Meltzer, H.Y.) 183-195 (Raven Press, New York, 1987).

Bhatia, K.P. & Marsden C.D.The behavioural and motor consequences of focal lesions of the basal ganglia in man. Brain 117, 859-876 (1994).

Wasson, G.R. Soma. Divine Mushroom of Immortality (Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, New York, 1968). See Note A: Explorers, Travelers, Anthropologists, pp.231-302.

Origène. Contre Celse (ed. Borret M.) 5 vol. (Cerf, Paris, 1967-1976). See also Tacito. Annales, 15, 44, 2-5, and L’orazione contro i Cristiani di Marco Cornelio Frontone (in Penna R. 1991. L’ambiente storico-culturale delle origini cristiane. Una documentazione ragionata. Dehoniana, Bologna, pp. 275-277, pp. 283-285).

Irénée de Lyon. Contre les Hérésies (eds Rousseau D. & Doutreleau L.) 8 vol. (Cerf, Paris, 1965-1979).

Luck G. Arcana Mundi. Magic and the Occult in the Greek and Roman Worlds (John Hopkins University Press, Baltimore, 1987)


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Re: Jesus as the lord of mushrooms [Re: Jalruza]
    #5976540 - 08/18/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

This is one of the "Gnostic alchemist" Jacob Boehme's drawings from the cover of the book The Apples of Apollo: Pagan and Christian Mysteries of the Eucharist by Carl A.P. Ruck, Blaise Daniel Staples & Clark Heinrich. Descriptions extend from page 180 to 183, wherein:

"His drawing of the 'Christi Testamenta' is intended only for those who have eyes that see (such being the alchemist's creed, 'to transmit the work obscurely and to hide it as much as possible') - and almost doesn't reveal the Mystery, the botanical Jesus patabilis crucified as the fly-agaric, lurking in the tee beam of the crucifix, and in the superimposed - and presumably red - Sacred Heart, which is itself the wine vine twining around the iota of the holy name of Iesous, the flesh and blood of Christ."

The rest of the drawing and other hidden mushroom/mycelial references are elaborated. I HIGHLY recommend this book to anyone who is interested in Entheogenic Eucharists.


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Re: Jesus as the lord of mushrooms [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5977571 - 08/19/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

jesus was a mushroom


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Re: Jesus as the lord of mushrooms [Re: Jalruza]
    #5977915 - 08/19/06 07:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"Jesus vaporized!"
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Re: Jesus as the lord of mushrooms [Re: hot48yearolds]
    #5977975 - 08/19/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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jesus was a mushroom




Iesous/Issa/Y'shua/Jesus was a man.
As you can see from my [former] avatar - a vestment patch from an Eastern Orthodox Christian supply company - the Orthodox equilateral cross is mushroomic in form, and has grain in the interior. This artistic form suggests mushroomic and grain Mysteries to ME, but may well have been the conscious or unconscious motivation in the artist who created this symbol. Perhaps the Eleusinian Mystery Rites entered more into early initiatory Christianity than most people realize. certainly the multitudes are completely unaware of it. This all derives from the Demeter [the mother] and Persephone myths of the ancient Greeks - incorporated into Christian insight and revelation.





Here is a fresco of Demeter and Persephone with what looks a lot like a Liberty Cap type mushroom between them.

Jesus is not a mushroom, but the insight (gnosis) into the Man who best expressed the Logos may very well come 'through' mushrooms.

http://www.sexmagick.com/aisha/writers/ergot.htm

Incidentally, ergot is a fungus that gives rise to tiny purple mushrooms when it falls from the grain to the Earth [Earth Mother - Demeter].


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    #5978036 - 08/19/06 09:43 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

just out of random curiosity markos...were you born in late november...21st???


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Re: Jesus as the lord of mushrooms [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5978045 - 08/19/06 09:47 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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You should watch pharmacratic inquisition, it's a very interesting documentary and it's mostly related to that.
Here's the link from which you can torrent download it Pharmacratic Inquisition




Wow that's interesting. I always believed all religions were basically the same. And now this is proving how identical they are. I'm only half way through but thanks!


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Re: Jesus as the lord of mushrooms [Re: Archemetis]
    #5978071 - 08/19/06 10:03 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Nope.


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    #5978149 - 08/19/06 10:54 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Cracka_X said:
Quote:

MushroomTrip said:
You should watch pharmacratic inquisition, it's a very interesting documentary and it's mostly related to that.
Here's the link from which you can torrent download it Pharmacratic Inquisition




Wow that's interesting. I always believed all religions were basically the same. And now this is proving how identical they are. I'm only half way through but thanks!




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Re: Jesus as the lord of mushrooms [Re: Archemetis]
    #5978386 - 08/19/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hey Markos, Are you saying Jesus was a real historical figure?
I alwyas figured that the myth of jesus is allegorical and that it really symbolisess say, divinity or the light of god or what have you coming down to earth (ie jesus christ) and that through erm.. hardships and trauma and going through a lot of shit we can say dissolve the layers of self and 'die', that is become one with god - attaining christ consciousness. Then again we are reoborn yeah. now i suppose this could represent an experience, or the life cycle of a person as they die and are again recycled for another round... or something to that effect.

erm.. anyway regarding the whole symbol of jesus. I've had visions of a bearded older man, a god-like or christ-like figure, that was definitely older and bearded. And got to thinking of the Quetzalcoatl myth.- Some kind of south american myth of a winged serpent with the head of a bearded man... i think.

But yeah I figure that perhaps the symbol of an older person associates with it the idea of knowledge and experience and the whole guru thing. Dunno why it's a bearded man, it seems to mean old and experienced, haven't seen an elderly women. Anyhow, im assuming that this symbol may be circulating in this collective unconscious thing and is one way of us interpreting 'the logos' or transferred information, through that of a wise being, a jesus type figure that can lead us and teach us.

Having said that, I'm unsure of the 'other'-ness nature of these experiences. That is what is really a transfer or download of information from a greater intelligence and what am I creating and interpreting as some form of entity contact.. mmm dunno, It all seems to be fragments of my ego... but are we not all fragments of this greater 'self'?

[edit] remembered about Quetzalcoatl.


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    #5978578 - 08/19/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Let me just say that I have vo reason to say, unlike Freke & Gandy, and other Docetic Gnostics, that Jesus was NOT a man. I wasn't there, and for the sake of the multitudes of Christian believers who are 'milk fed' not 'meat fed,' I am not going to deny their understanding of Christ. The problem of course is that aside from a few very brief non-biblical references, there is nothing known about the historical Jesus. Even Albert Schweitzer who began the process in the 19th century with his book The Quest for the Historical Jesus came to the conclusion that the Jesus of the gospels was mythical. Philo of Alexandria the Hellenistic Jewish philosopher who live contemporaneously with Jesus wrote quite a bit on the Logos, but Philo wrote nothing about his contemporary Jesus.

I managed to get into the Johannine mind-set many years ago, coming from a supernaturalized notion of Jesus as taught by Paramanhansa Yogananda (Autobiography of a Yogi) - a notion that I entered seminary with. The Johannine view, which has overwhelmed the Synoptic view, made Jesus to be 'God clothed with flesh' - a veritable Greek 'Hero' born of God and a virgin mortal. Greek mythology, not Hebrew thought at all which is why any self-respecting Jew could never accept such a doctrine. The Synoptic view made Jesus to be 'a man anointed by God,' which fits perfectly well within the divine right of kingship that Jews held. All kings of Israel were 'sons of God.' Again, the 'son of God' title got completely severed from its Old Testament context and non-Jews being completely ignorant of the culture and religion of Jesus came to believe that it was a unique title for the 'Hypostatic Prolation of the Second Person of the Holy Trinity.' Hellenistic theology - certainly nothing that Jesus Himself would have affirmed.

(BTW, I think you're confusing 'Teonanacotyl' [god's flesh] with 'Quetzlcoatyl' the winged serpent {and a cool movie with David Carradine!})

All of creation derives from the Creator. Philosphers of religion have long debated whether physical matter is created by God or emanated by God. They further debate whether physical matter might not itself be co-eternal with God (as in the Bhagavad Gita or in Zoroastrianism). Then God becomes the
'Craftsman.' Then the question becomes, how does human self-consciousness arise in essentially unconscious beings, and is this self-consciousness somehow a part of God? How did this part of God, if so, become estranged and alienated from God, and how does it get back home? Lastly, why do we think that we 'have' a spirit instead of experiencing that we 'are' the spirit that is in exile and wants to go home to God? So different schools offer myth of how this all happened and how the "fragments" need to be gathered up and return to the 'Fullness' [Pleroma]. Gnosticism and Kabbalism have this in common.

It is really not so much 'going' anywhere as it is 'Realizing' what IS - Here and Now. This forms a 'Fully Realized Eschatology' in which 'the Kingdom of God is spread out before you, and people see it not' versus some future time when (a 'Partially Realized Eschatology') 'the lion will lie down with the lamb.' The latter is apocalyptic and mythic in my opinion. The metaphorical lion-lamb conjunction might symbolize currently impossible unions or it might suggest a Golden Era placed within time, within history, but no matter how difficult to attain, the psychospiritual Realization ("Christ Consciousness" as you say) is a more likely phenomenon than the union of irreconcilable lion-lamb opposites in historical time. I'm all for, and all about the "Conjunctio Oppositorum" - as a psychospiritual reality. I defy any Literalist interpretation for this to occur in space-time. I reject the Biblical images such as this and physical Resurrection, Ascension, "Lake of Fire", etc. as existing 'in form.' This is why the Literalist Christians, with the fundamentalists being the most literal, make Christian Gnostics out to be the enemy. Gnostic Christians understand the sacred stories to be myth, not history and further, the myths need to be Realized inwardly, not waited for outwardly. Gnostic Gospels such as Thomas makes this difference abundantly clear.


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Re: Jesus as the lord of mushrooms [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5983766 - 08/21/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Indeed you are right, I was confusing the teo and quez... heh. Been reading some stuff about religions sharing common motifs. Conclusion being that the myths represent astrological phases and such, winter solstice being important - birth date of the hero to a virgin mom usually. Now I guess christ being born to a virgin mother is symbolic of the virgin mother 'earth' being impregnated by 'god' the sun and giving birth to christ, (life on earth? or is christ divinity or self-awareness and spiritual experience?)

erm.. now I guess this means that the holy spirit descends from the perfect white light into subjective experience and therefore distorted material reality. Nicking somebody elses words the immaterial spirit is crucified to the cross of matter. Pretty simple symbolism here, we are binded and imprisoned until our death by the material world around us. Until one day we die or experience a loss of self and remember what we are... something like that.

Now finally I guess you could attribute our spiritual nature to the fact that we are self-aware beings. Not just aware but aware of our awareness and as such we probe into the reasonings for this.. strange phenomenon, the whole.. life.. experience.. thing...

Lower life forms I suppose are aware but busy going about their lives. Brain too weak for any real abstract thought and concept development, just slowly adapting i guess, but then you have chimps that are creating tools and such and it is obvious they have a high intellect and likley a sense of self awareness. this 'logos' thing, wher are the bounds and limitations? Do we share a collective consciousness with all animal life? with All life even?

yeah just trying to define my concept of a soul here :laugh:


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Re: Jesus as the lord of mushrooms [Re: el_duderino]
    #5983802 - 08/21/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Look at the word Hell-enistic, jesus was crucified and executed by the Jews, and the word contemp-oranously

of course jews and their gnostic counterparts are mongrels, they may not respect scripture, but I definitely would not be incline to adopt gnostic folklore, that is nothing more than speculation and imagination to derive a philosophical discovery from works of fiction, nothing wrong in that, as some good authors have come through with some good fictional reading, but that its giving a false account or impels a false idea is my gripe,


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Re: Jesus as the lord of mushrooms [Re: Jalruza]
    #5984164 - 08/21/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That is Jesus Lord of Magickal Plants.

I saw it printed in a book called Mushrooms and Mankind, but I can't remember the author. Supposedly the ritual involved as you can see in the picture right below Jesus:(left to right)
psilocybin mushrooms
amanita muscaria
opium
syrian rue
and then the green underneath it all was supposed cannabis.
The book explained that all these substances were taken together and one was granted access into the Kindom of God.


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Re: Jesus as the lord of mushrooms [Re: mecreateme]
    #5985983 - 08/22/06 06:45 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

"The book explained that all these substances were taken together and one was granted access into the Kindom of God."

I suppose in those times it would be awesome to trip out in nature seeing how pure and unpoluted everthing was starting from environment and finishing with mindset.


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Re: Jesus as the lord of mushrooms [Re: Jalruza]
    #5986142 - 08/22/06 09:11 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I suppose in those times it would be awesome to trip out in nature seeing how pure and unpoluted everthing was starting from environment and finishing with mindset.




Yes, and then to be preyed upon by animals more capable of running than oneself. :smirk:

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