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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: agoutihead]
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heheh.. thats how I felt when I was waiting for mine.. Now its here and it just sits there after I smoked it once..


Edited by sHrOoMeRrR420 (02/19/06 09:17 AM)

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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: sHrOoMeRrR420]
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you feel like there is an entity there because THERE IS ONE. why else?


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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: EquilibriuM]
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I keep saying that as you enter "salvia space" things persist longer and intermingle - things you carry into salvia space become background motifs and structural elements binding the fragments of experience that emerge there with cartoon animated personality.

a feeling of slow becomes verrrry faaasssttt! especially as the thickening collection of elongated wakes of passing events freeze in an expanding multiverse.

the result is an organiform a living mandala - full of personality.

then it pretends to be normal but it is the looking glass world - you are on the other side.


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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
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hmm. I should be able to get the house to myself again this weekend... so im going to try out that 20x and let you guys know.

Elgr... you really need to keep one name... im getting too confused. heh.


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: agoutihead]
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I definately think that salvia teaches. There has been much more of a "presense" with salvia than with anything else I have taken. It has always seemed like a feminine presense to me. I can understand how others say it doesn't teach them shit, because the trip is really wierd and short. I find that if I start meditating as soon as I come back to the room that insights will just flow into my mind. I can usually stay in a very deep meditative state for quite awhile after the intense part wears off. I think that to garner value from salvia use one has to give themselves a quiet introspective time afterward to integrate the rush which came before. I have found that one can attend to the salvia trip or ignore it. I think this is why some say it doesn't do anything to them. The more times I have taken it and the more I relax, the farther it will take me. Sound seems especially intrusive to the experience. Even when in the thick of the high, if someone talks to me, I can hear them and understand what is being said without difficulty. My best experiences have been alone in a quiet and dark room.

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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: Gopal]
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see i think from my first experince.. that i may want music. i NEED it for everything else.

everyone is different too.


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: agoutihead]
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I think the better, more relevant question is, can "you" learn anything from salvia?


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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: 33L]
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or what can be learned by shifting mind states
by changes in resonance, and associativity;
by changes in a sense of time
or a shifted sense of space(s).


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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
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My little ritual for getting the most out of Salvia.

1. Meditate on your intentions.
2. Make an offering.
3. Burn incense around your area.
4. Write her a short letter requesting help in a chosen area.
5. Don't move for at least 10 min after you think the effects are over.

Draw, write, make music or whatever activity that you enjoy and feel brings out your creative juices to try to integrate the experience into your life :sun:


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"Blow up your TV, throw away your paper.  Go to the country, build you a home."

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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: schmutzen]
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namaste said:
My little ritual for getting the most out of Salvia.

1. Meditate on your intentions.
2. Make an offering.
3. Burn incense around your area.
4. Write her a short letter requesting help in a chosen area.
5. Don't move for at least 10 min after you think the effects are over.




Aren't devils conjured up the same way?

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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: chodamunky]
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choda... what do you mean?


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: agoutihead]
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some rituals seem superstitious or
artificially supplicative.

for me the approach is interest.
maybe a passionate interest in everything

no special requests
and no attempted appeasements.

the universe will resonate at a greater intensity and that is the essence of my interest.


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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: agoutihead]
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agoutihead said:
you guys know what im saying about "teach" you something.... so does saliva also do that?

i ordered 10x standardized from shamanspalace.com.... they have a free gift of some kind with every order as opposed to other sites you had to have a minimum order.

do they always send another psychoactive substance with their free gift... or is it just some junky herbal tea or something?

thanks!


Its different for everybody, at the time it could even seem like it isnt teaching you rather messing with you, afterwards you could feel that u were taught something or feel that it was great or that it did diddly shit for you, theres a lot of other possibilities ranging from person to person, personaly I was given an insight on things that was going on with myself that I could not "mentally" understand untill I felt undercontrol by "her" as most call it, which in terms that you may understand "the salvia teacher/salvia is her", I smoked this leaf with many people too many to count, nost didnt feel anything but a wierd or uncomfortable feeling that was happening to their feeling of touch and they felt as if gravity had increased around their body and it forcked them to sink into the ground (or w/e they were standing/sitting on), some who had done salvia for the first time felt their first time had said that they thought after revision that they were either somewhere else or something else and they claimed that they had learned something new but not necessarily spiritual and not like a lecture about what you should do it was in my explanation a force that shouldnt be denied and should be respected and trusted so I felt the insightfull experiences were happening to motivate/show/make/change myself and actually understand why I should. Its hard to decribe but once you do it if you do it you'll understand eventually, usually you need a full on breakthrough before you know. I feel like ordering sum salvia now its been a year if I can remember correctly.

Salvia is trully phycedelic and very powerfull when smoked correctly and the potency of the leaf is as strong as "you" need it to be. In low doses its even considered a strong drug and scary since for most it is very uncomfortable due to salvia gravity, I dont like it much either since it makes my feeling of touch similar to that of your foot being asleep and having ocntact to anything though it only lasts 1-3 min and theres no time disorienting unless you have a breakthrough that can feel or you can sense time has completely stopped and will/could (many words explain this) be menacingly scary, I love salvia mmmm sage, what a blast its definently an adventure. I ordered McDonalds on salvia (not literally, hullcinations) I got chicken strips, fries, n medium soda and squezzed the employs breast (dunno why but I had to touch something :wink:) it had actually felt real, which now I realise it was just the salvia gravity that brought me to think this at the time. Oh how I wish I could revisit that experience :frown: sadly I never did afterwards, only a circus, africas safari (pet a tiger, only on salvia), a dream I had as a child, and a gust of wind that I felt I was.


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I live to learn and learn to live.

forget w/e was here b4 it was meth gibberish.... :meff: :rail2: :rail: ....thats as old as my account...

On that note fart in public and grin. :publicfart:

Hail Shroomery!


Edited by Savako (03/04/06 11:09 PM)

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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: Muppet69_420]
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does this drug have physical or mental side effects?

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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: cougercruiser]
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Ask Erowids Page - What health risks might be associated with its use?.
The leaves of the plant have been used by Mazatec Indians for hundreds of years without any reported health risks and no evidence of addiction. Salvia divinorum?s popularity amongst contemporary psychonauts increased slowly through the 1980s and early 1990s and then more rapidly since the first 'X' extracts began to be marketed in 1997. Although there have undoubtedly been tens of thousands of people who have now tried S. divinorum (if not more), many people only try it once or a few times, and decide that they don?t need to experiment further or just dislike the effects. This sort of experimental use is not very likely to have any serious detrimental effects caused directly by the plant's compounds, regardless of how it is ingested.

Problems of Smoking People who smoke the plant on a regular basis might have some concern about potentially detrimental effects on the lungs. There is increasing evidence that any inhaled particulate matter is unhealthy. However, such use is extremely unlikely to cause damage comparable to chronic cigarette smoking. We have never heard of a 'daily' smoker of S. divinorum, let alone someone who smokes it many times per day. Those who use the concentrated 'X' extracts may benefit from not having to inhale as much smoke; the more potent the extract, the less smoke that needs to be inhaled. Perhaps the biggest problem with more potent extracts is that users are more likely to accidentally smoke a stronger dose than they intend to. Overly large doses can be extremely frightening, can cause one to stumble around unaware of one?s surroundings, or may cause black outs. Clearly it could be dangerous to do such doses alone and particularly if one is near busy streets, swimming pools, fire, large bodies of water, glass objects, etc. It is always better to take S. divinorum at 'ground level' (we heard of one person lunging toward a balcony in a second-story hotel room, who had to be restrained by the sitters).

Accidents The most common adverse events reported so far associated with using Salvia divinorum are simply accidents such as bruises, cuts, and burns from falling or dropping a lighter or pipe.

Traumatic Experience Perhaps the second most likely adverse effect of using Salvia divinorum is having a difficult psycho-spiritual experience. As with any strong psychoactive, acute anxiety reactions from unexpected or unwanted experiences can lead to lasting feelings of dysphoria in a small number of users. Although lasting anxiety is uncommon, the primary treatment is discontinuing use of Salvia divinorum and other entheogens and symptomatic treatment for anxiety such as relaxation, rest, regular excercise, sleeping well, and talking about one's feelings.

Oral Toxicity If one drinks an infusion or chews the leaves, it is more difficult to take an overly large dose. There are no reports yet of physically toxic reactions (hospitalizations or serious problems due to pharmacological reactions). The current view is that the leaves are effectively 'non-toxic' and that it would be difficult to eat or chew enough to cause serious injury or lasting adverse health reactions. Generally, no lasting side-effects are reported from consuming S. divinorum. On rare occasions people get mild nausea from oral consumption. The acute effects can cause people to be dizzy and uncoordinated.

Addiction There is no evidence that the plant or its primary active compound in isolation, salvinorin A, are habit forming or physically addictive. Those who use S. divinorum as a tool for spiritual or psychological insight have reported the difficult to quantify 'health benefits' of stress reduction, centering, a greater understanding of the world and their place in it, and/or a feeling of connectedness to the universe. One psychologist wrote an article for the Journal of Clinical Psychopharmacology (2001; 21: 634?635) about how his patient who was using S. divinorum found it to be useful for combatting the symptoms of her depression. See http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=1316. A religious group in Canada has been using low doses of S. divinorum as an aid to their meditations. See www.maps.org/news-letters/v09n1/09136sou.html and www.maps.org/research/Salvia/sdmeditation.html and www.maps.org/news-letters/v10n1/10106upd.html..


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I live to learn and learn to live.

forget w/e was here b4 it was meth gibberish.... :meff: :rail2: :rail: ....thats as old as my account...

On that note fart in public and grin. :publicfart:

Hail Shroomery!


Edited by Savako (03/05/06 01:39 AM)

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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: cougercruiser]
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it remains non poisonous at a 10000 times the concentration which would provide a most intense experience. so no one has yet managed to experience salvinorin toxic effects. (check ld-50)

savako's summary of incidental physical and impressionable dangers and pitfalls is good.

IMO the teacher is the student's attitude, the teaching is everything that exists. These medicines open up a wee crack for the light - briefly.


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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
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I think that the "gravity" or "weight" salvia puts on you is a lesson in itself.  :yinyang:


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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: EquilibriuM]
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yeah i did feel the "Gravity" on my body the first time i smoked it and tried to get up.

that "body scan" i got was still the weirdest thing ive ever felt.

no dice this weekend... and i dont know when ill be able to again.... i wish it was summer here so i could just smoke it outside already.

is smoking salvia in "nature" really cool?


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann

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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: agoutihead]
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God I hope so...


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Re: does salvia "teach" you something like other psychedelics? [Re: NewAgeDiciple]
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Tought me I was part of a zipper.

Not sure where the plant got this information, though...


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