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OfflineOldWoodSpecter
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Re: God, love and debate [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4430331 - 07/20/05 08:27 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

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You know very well that some people are emotionally immature and can not control their emotions.




what's so great about controlling your emotions?




if you don't control them, they will control you


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Re: God, love and debate [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4430415 - 07/20/05 08:48 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

i would have thought by controlling your feelings, they control you.

my feelings are hurt but i say to myself 'my feelings aren't hurt, my feelings shouldn't be hurt, i'm strong' i've been there. honestly i just keep with the thought-loops and the anger doesn't go away for i dunno how long. i would say that's my emotion controlling me when i try to control my emotion.

i would think it's strength when you just let yourself be hurt when you're hurt.

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Re: God, love and debate [Re: Swami]
    #4431229 - 07/20/05 11:55 PM (19 years, 4 days ago)

Swami, bare in mind that most God preachers also beleive in a judgmental, jealous, angry God. They can honestly say they are walking the talk about their God when they get angrily judgmental.

I say they should just walk the yellow brick road to get to the wizard.


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Re: God, love and debate [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #4431414 - 07/21/05 12:24 AM (19 years, 4 days ago)

"Hum explain........ Give an example in the past week where you have seen this ? Because I sure would like to be aware when this is happening. Sounds like something to avoid"

This is observation on my part not insult. Read your own posts and you will see this crop up frequently.


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Re: God, love and debate [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4431423 - 07/21/05 12:26 AM (19 years, 4 days ago)

"I say they should just walk the yellow brick road to get to the wizard"

Awesome


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Re: God, love and debate [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #4432085 - 07/21/05 03:45 AM (19 years, 3 days ago)

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Fucknuckle said:
No it's not, that is what he is counting on. So he can get away with what ever he feels is neccesary to shadow a insult or his complete disapproval at how S and P has been going on any givin day. Open your eyes :thumbup:




This is the turning point that officially makes a Swami thread lockable. It isn't his initial topic (most of the time :lol:), it is people who have no interest in the original topic and instead direct their attention at Swami himself, questioning his motivations, analyzing him, etc. etc. etc. They then witness the closing of all of his threads and use it as further evidence for their cause, despite the fact that they were the ones who went off-topic and they were the ones that caused the turning point which inevitably resulted in the thread being locked.

I think this is bullshit (and not to mention tiring, because it is happening almost every fucking day again :mad:) because it interferes with the normal, productive flow of debate and of the thread, regardless of who made the thread, how they presented the idea, or their own, personal motivations for doing so. In fact, if it were up to me personally, I'd delete your post from this thread and let the normal flow of discussion continue, but, fortunately for you, it is not my role. :grin:

In fact, I think it is reasonable to consider that you are trolling, as you have been doing this in every Swami thread that arises. Regardless of whether or not you feel it is justified for you to do so, the thread itself is not the place for it, perhaps it is something that you should take up with Swami himself or the moderators. I do not see you doing this with any other person's threads. I'm going to respectfully ask you to stop this kind of behavior, or I will specifically address this to moderators. :wink:

I will admit that some of Swami's threads might arise with no real discussion arising that fits the requirements of this forum, but this specifically is not one of them. I wouldn't define it as too heavy of a discussion or too serious of one, but comments like "his point is that some people who believe all is one are still trapped in a dualistic state of conciousness which he finds ironic. ", and trendal's post about the Big Bang provide plenty of content ripe for discussion. Swami presents his ideas in a different manner than others do, but that is a uniqueness that needs to be respected. Some interesting ideas and insight usually develop if others wouldn't be so quick to bring forth judgement and personal attacks.

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Re: God, love and debate [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4432241 - 07/21/05 06:58 AM (19 years, 3 days ago)

I heard you're on his payrole. Do you have any studies to disprove this? :grin: :heart:


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Re: God, love and debate [Re: Icelander]
    #4432290 - 07/21/05 07:23 AM (19 years, 3 days ago)

Only the 98 page essay that was published by the American Heart Association sometime last year. It did an adequate job of disproving this; however, it did offer proof that I am one of the causes of heart cancer, although I personally feel that more studies with more controls need to be done on this. :wink:

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Re: God, love and debate [Re: Icelander]
    #4432295 - 07/21/05 07:24 AM (19 years, 3 days ago)

I heard you're on his payrole.

Swami deputized FG last year.  Where were you?  :grin:


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Re: God, love and debate [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4432302 - 07/21/05 07:28 AM (19 years, 3 days ago)

If adequate funding is provided, :wink: I am willing to do the study, we can get together in PM and talk about the results we wish to find. :thumbup:


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Re: God, love and debate [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #4432305 - 07/21/05 07:29 AM (19 years, 3 days ago)

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LunarEclipse said:
I heard you're on his payrole.

Swami deputized FG last year.  Where were you?  :grin:




I was out taking a shit. But HA! I knew it. :syringe:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: God, love and debate [Re: Icelander]
    #4432323 - 07/21/05 07:40 AM (19 years, 3 days ago)

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Icelander said:
I was out taking a shit.



It was mine, put it back!


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Re: God, love and debate [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4432331 - 07/21/05 07:43 AM (19 years, 3 days ago)

Bend over and I'll do my best. :poop: :ass: :whoa:


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Re: God, love and debate [Re: Icelander]
    #4432344 - 07/21/05 07:51 AM (19 years, 3 days ago)

:foreheadslap: Doh!  Never mind.


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Re: God, love and debate [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4432352 - 07/21/05 07:54 AM (19 years, 3 days ago)

Sorry. :grin: :heart:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: God, love and debate [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4432603 - 07/21/05 09:31 AM (19 years, 3 days ago)

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In fact, I think it is reasonable to consider that you are trolling, as you have been doing this in every Swami thread that arises. Regardless of whether or not you feel it is justified for you to do so, the thread itself is not the place for it, perhaps it is something that you should take up with Swami himself or the moderators. I do not see you doing this with any other person's threads. I'm going to respectfully ask you to stop this kind of behavior, or I will specifically address this to moderators.




funny, i thought trolls were the ones who do the provoking, not the ones who get provoked.


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Re: God, love and debate [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4432800 - 07/21/05 10:15 AM (19 years, 3 days ago)

Quote:

crunchytoast said:
i would have thought by controlling your feelings, they control you.

my feelings are hurt but i say to myself 'my feelings aren't hurt, my feelings shouldn't be hurt, i'm strong'  i've been there.  honestly i just keep with the thought-loops and the anger doesn't go away for i dunno how long.  i would say that's my emotion controlling me when i try to control my emotion.

i would think it's strength when you just let yourself be hurt when you're hurt.

?




Good point. To accept yourself enough to feel what you really feel without judgement, this is strength. To try and "control" your feelings you would have to lie to yourself.  :mushroom2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: God, love and debate [Re: Icelander]
    #4434960 - 07/21/05 06:26 PM (19 years, 3 days ago)

yeah icelander, exactly
and i gotta admit i'm not very good at this
i dunno, it's scary, just giving into a feeling
it's like jumping off a diving board or something
like, i'm scared shitless that once i'm there i can't end the experience or something, you know?


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Re: God, love and debate [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4435005 - 07/21/05 06:36 PM (19 years, 3 days ago)

Yes I do know. That's why many people try to "control" their emotions.

I think all spiritual growth is scary at some point, and challenging. You are stepping outside of the box of "normal" cultural living . From this point you need to go it alone, without the support of the rest to reasure you.

If your commitment is to growth, you will find a way or should I say a way will find you. I find committed dosing is a way to tackle this problem. But to each his own. :thumbup: :heart:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Edited by Icelander (07/21/05 06:37 PM)

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Re: God, love and debate [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4438664 - 07/22/05 03:06 PM (19 years, 2 days ago)

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crunchytoast said:
funny, i thought trolls were the ones who do the provoking, not the ones who get provoked.




Indeed, exactly my point, so we are in agreement then. :wink:

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I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
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Loving every breath of you

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