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Swami vs. the Probation Officer
    #4217132 -

Check out the this thread Cannabis and Racquetball: The Taboo Subject where Swami (as Swami) tangles with a probation officer among others in the the never-ending war for freedom.

Note to Mods, I consider this S&P as it pertains to ethics and morals.


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The proof is in the pudding.

Edited by Swami (05/25/05 01:32 AM)

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Swami]
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yeah! fight the power! :smile:


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Shroomism]
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Right on!


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Swami]
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it is illegal and it's not right to promote it here.

I love it when a prude decides something is bad for the sole reason that it's illegal. :sad:

[Diploid sighs]


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Swami]
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Game point. I'd like to see you do to that guy on the court what you did to him in there.


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Swami]
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Swami, I think you should use some high dose LSD next time you play and really show those geeks some shots. Or a puff of salvia between points. Geesh! What a bunch of pruds. :stoned:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Icelander]
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you sounded like you needed some cheese with that whine...if ur fuckin back hurts to play then face that facts.. that you aren't 23yrs old anymore, and get out before you fade out....

BUT on the other hand..if smokin' or drinkin' is the key to succes and keeps you in the game... fuck it! all the best to ya' and it's nice to know we got "one of our own" holdin' it down in the raquetball forums..

"if you ain't causin' no harm then you're alright with me..-Ben Harper


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Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are -Kurt Cobain
       



     
Hotter than the left sink handle.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: uriahchase]
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oh yah and anothe thing.....my P.O was a fuckin retard slut whore!!! what a cunt! she always thought i was high!!!
oh..a little off topic, but that bitch had it comin'!


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Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are -Kurt Cobain
       



     
Hotter than the left sink handle.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Icelander]
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Wow what a post!. Good for you Swami, very eloquent. I am humbled by your reasoning. The unfortunate thing is that none of your verbal opponents will get it. I, like you am a aging athlete. Not a racquet baller (years ago-yes)but I play tennis. Some of the old aches and pains never go away and there are times where smoking herb is the only relief I can get. Our country is full of people who want to tell you how to live your life and these are the same people who scream the loudest when they percieve a wrong has been done to them and the same people who use the same old song and dance about knowing what is best. You are too stoned out of your gourd to make a rational decision and we know what is best for you. They make me sick! Blah, go on line and see Georgie boy making kissy faces with a test tube baby on the front page of the Washington Post, and then read the articles about stem cell research. He makes me want to puke!

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Swami]
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Comments like those always make me laugh then cry.....


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"What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I fuck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?" - Bill Hicks

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Swami]
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You've won the championship if that discussion was a rball game.
Anyway, i never saw any logic in prohibitionist statements. "Bad leads to illegal, illegal leads to bad" bullshit, fascist propaganda, fuck'em !

MAIA


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Spiritual being, living a human experience ... The Shroomery Mandala



Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
Voltaire

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: uriahchase]
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you sounded like you needed some cheese with that whine...if ur fuckin back hurts to play then face that facts.. that you aren't 23yrs old anymore, and get out before you fade out....

That place is not the Shroomery. I had to preface it with the Medical angle to get a discussion going. If I said, "Hey, I like to get buzzed and watch The Simpsons," the thread would have been closed.  :tongue2:


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Swami]
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Way to go Swami. It certainly didn't seem to take much effort or thought to shoot down their lies and bullshit. Logic and factual information stand above all.


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Manoa said:
I need to stop spending all my money on plants and take up a cheaper hobby, like heroin. :lol:

Looking for Rauhocereus riosaniensis seeds or live specimen(s), :pm: me if you have any for trade

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: SuperD]
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Factual information yes, Logic no.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: vampirism]
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How do you separate factual information from logic? Is not factual information determined from human logic, and human logic expanded by the acquisition of factual information?

Good arguments Swami, I often try to inform people that there are other views, but those types of debates get extremely boring and tedious to me. Arguing with a probation officer and prohibitionists who just spout the same wrong evidence and repeat the same tired arguments get old quickly. They probably think the same of us.


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Swami]
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Good point about the link between the social culture around weed and it acting as a gateway drug. If it weren't illegal in the first place, young stoners wouldn't encounter meth/heroin/crack pushers as easily.


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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.

- Aristotle

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Swami]
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Good going Swami! :thumbup:

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Swami]
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If I said, "Hey, I like to get buzzed and watch The Simpsons," the thread would have been closed.

Are they as hard-nosed about OT Banana Bread threads too?  :tongue:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Swami]
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Your point was well made in that thread, but it was not really a fair fight. Some of these people have never really thought out their views on drug issues (or many other issues as well) apparently. Their moral devlopment stopped at the preschooler stage where they are taught to see only good and bad, so you got an easy kill.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Why wasn't the simple argument it's my body and no one has any greater right to it than me used? Good and bad, right or wrong don't matter at all.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: newuser1492]
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It's my body and I'll fry if I want to, fry if I want to.

You would fry too if it happened to you... :grin:


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
Your point was well made in that thread, but it was not really a fair fight. Some of these people have never really thought out their views on drug issues (or many other issues as well) apparently. Their moral devlopment stopped at the preschooler stage where they are taught to see only good and bad, so you got an easy kill.


Certainly now alteast some of them will have probably found themselves reconsidering their positions on the subject.. :thumbup:

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: newuser1492]
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Good and bad, right or wrong don't matter at all.

Those people are well-meaning, but they're blind followers of the government's party line. They lack critical thinking skills and so accept at face value the anti-drug propaganda that drugs harm society without thinking about it; nevermind the harm the drug war causes.

This brainwashing has been going on for generations now. It's no wonder...

[dip looks around for the bong]


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Swami]
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looks like it didn't go so well.

No one admitted they were wrong, they just used a bunch of ad hominems.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: vampirism]
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Isn't that how it always goes? Even on these forums that ends up being the result in the majority of threads.

Ad hominems are the key to life.


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So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
Your point was well made in that thread, but it was not really a fair fight. Some of these people have never really thought out their views on drug issues (or many other issues as well) apparently. Their moral devlopment stopped at the preschooler stage where they are taught to see only good and bad, so you got an easy kill.



Those are the best people to challenge.

Simply BECAUSE they've never given it a thought beyond "Well Gee, It's Illegal So It's Bad."

Plant the doubt, give the question. Let 'em figure it out themself. Sure, they'll stick to their old guns for a while, but eventually you'll actually trick them into LOOKING at the issue rather than giving their same-old-unthought reactionary response, and they'll wind up seeing things clearly.

Or not.

Often it seems, not. But.. others who may overhear but not be fanatical enough to comment one way or another? They'll think. Or perhaps those that seem the most opposed to changing their view are simply too afraid to admit they're wrong -- but later, when everything's safe and no one's around, they'll let their guard down (aahhh the ego gets in the way of progress yet again).

... awesome and now the sun's up. Another night I couldn't fall asleep because I'm looking for work, will be subjected to a drug test, and due to a lack of smokage have been unable to fall asleep.
Insomnia, that's one of the medical reasons to smoke, right? Ehh how's that fair with tests from employers? Got a few friends moving or recently moved out to the west coast -- maybe I should follow. Then again, 3,000 miles is a hell of a way to travel just to be able to get a good night's sleep.


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i finally got around to making a sig
revel in its glory and quake in fear at its might
grar.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Mushmonkey]
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"I'm looking for work, will be subjected to a drug test"

My use of any drug is very seldom (like 2 times a year). I am not even a big user of OTC stuff like asprin or tylenol, BUT I will have no job that requires a drug test. I made up my mind a few years back that I will no longer be subjected to such a fundamental invasion of my privacy. I work for a public school system. I think it is hilarious that, at least in my state, teachers and school faculty are not subject to any drug tests. Many educated people think that this is invasion of privacy and will not stand for it...either that or the whole educational system is run by drug freaks (which I sometimes suspect). I used to deal with shit like that until I made up my mind that my personal freedom is my number one priority.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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> I made up my mind a few years back that I will no longer be subjected to such a fundamental invasion of my privacy.

I have a line in my resume that says as much. Along the lines of "I believe drug testing to be an invasion of personal privacy and will not submit to any form of drug testing as a condition of employment."

I have only had one interviewer ever ask me about it. I was honest in my answer and still got the job.


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Seuss]
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Here is my latest Racquetball Thread. Any bets how long before I get kicked off? I just can't help stirring things up. It is genetically coded.


Last Night's RB Session:

Opponent: Damn bro, you are moving like the hunchback of Notre Dame tonight. What gives?

Swami: I am merely stopping the spread of terrorism.

Opponent: In the first game, you were stiffer than Boris Karloff in "The Mummy".

Swami: True, but I saved a marriage in Des Moines.

Opponent: Seemed liked you really pulled your back in that second game on that passing shot retrieval.

Swami: Yeah, but I stopped a kid in Orland from moving on to heroin.

Opponent: WTF?! Are you on drugs?

Swami: No, I am off them and now that student in Dallas can graduate college.

Opponent: I liked the old Swami better.

Swami: My mind is right now, boss. All my neurons are firing properly and I believe whatever the government tells me.

Opponent: Look, can you give me a game or not?

Swami: Is competition more important to you than reducing crime?

Opponent: Right now, I just want to get a good sweat.

Swami: *shakes head sadly* Some people just don't get it.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Swami]
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soooo

fuckkkking

ammmusssed


thanks swami

not have i only learned a lot about racketball - well, all considering since it's something i could never would have gave a flying fuck on the moon about, but also about you, and a lot of people, and more about reality tunnels that are out there.

~
and that one word post in a sea of one hundred word posts is hysterical all given

is that Veritas our Veritas i can only assume?  love how he saved snotty ol' racquetballdeb's *cried* with *injustice* and *broke* wound up shifting back to smoking more pot  :laugh:



you win my a "righteously fascinating thread award" (the first one of these i ever doled out)


if the ol' guerilla ontology wasn't a past time of yours, you know you'd make one hell of an ethnographer?  (of course you'd instantly nix that when that ayahuasquero handed you the cup, opting instead to give him a lil' science n' health lesson)


lol lol lol


lordy

mercy

you're a good man  :laugh:


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Nope, different Veritas (Latin for truth).

I was politely told to desist by the admin for not staying on topic. However, the Star Wars thread is somehow about racquetball.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Swami]
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Cosmic, "Our" Veritas is female. :flowerchild:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Swami]
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Amend that: the thread was locked.

Go Freedom of Speech!


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Swami]
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Time to put some LSD in those water bottles. :shocked:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Icelander]
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I can feel an RB site ban coming on... *fastens seatbelt*


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Icelander]
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while i did know the latin term for truth is veritas, i did not know not know that  our Veritas is a woman - guess a SHe or a Hir are more appropriate ways of expressing 'em UFS's (unidentified flying shroomerites)  :shocked:  perhaps i did read into the small handful of posts i've read that she has made as if she was man!

my humble apologies to Veritas and anyone elses gender i may have pre-identified  :blush:  rats, love to hate when i find out i jumped the gun  :blush:

blessings,
CJ


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Don't feel bad, I did it to her too.. haha..  :stoned:

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: JacquesCousteau]
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No offense taken!  It's difficult to spot my minor chromosomal difference when I'm using this font.  :grin:

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Swami]
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boo hiss to their mod on the off-topic aspect


i guess when you play racketball with others you aren't soundly personally friends with you have to mimic a culturally accepted role to get your game.

that sucks, guy...

ya got any like minded gamers?


you'd be a real hero if you set up your own racquetball association for free thinkers and humanitarians, you know, have you ever contemplated setting up your own forum or club?

how well do your students of the game know you?

just some thoughts, maybe a lil' nudge of encouragement

be well


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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
"I'm looking for work, will be subjected to a drug test"

My use of any drug is very seldom (like 2 times a year). I am not even a big user of OTC stuff like asprin or tylenol, BUT I will have no job that requires a drug test. I made up my mind a few years back that I will no longer be subjected to such a fundamental invasion of my privacy. I work for a public school system. I think it is hilarious that, at least in my state, teachers and school faculty are not subject to any drug tests. Many educated people think that this is invasion of privacy and will not stand for it...either that or the whole educational system is run by drug freaks (which I sometimes suspect). I used to deal with shit like that until I made up my mind that my personal freedom is my number one priority.


Yup.
Except I don't have that luxury.. I'm damn near out of money. There's not that many jobs around here that DON'T test.. now, sure, it's probably a 50/50 chance that whatever I wind up with will or will not test, but still -- I don't have the time to be picky.

'sides, once I'd be past the pre-hire test, unless I've got a workman's comp claim I won't be re-tested.. that's when the fun starts.


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i finally got around to making a sig
revel in its glory and quake in fear at its might
grar.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: CosmicJoke]
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how well do your students of the game know you?

One knows I partake, but generally my private life is not relevant.

My students generally love me as they are ALL improving by leaps and bounds. I am a good observer, patient, and am adept at transmitting knowledge and breaking things down into small easily-digested pieces.

Last week though, I violated one of my personal rules: Do not play students in a "real" game. One begged me to give him the goods as he wanted to gauge his progress. I told him to measure himself against others that he has played with, but NOooooOOOOOO! I fell to his cajoling and then shut him out 15-0, literally without breaking a sweat and that caused a big emotional setback for him.

*Sigh* Gotta stick to my guns!


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Mushmonkey]
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Mushmonkey said:
'sides, once I'd be past the pre-hire test, unless I've got a workman's comp claim I won't be re-tested.. that's when the fun starts.


Indeed, that is when the fun starts. :spliff:

I'm in the same basic situation as you are right now. I'm being considered for a support manager position and I am not sure if I will get drug tested or not, so I can't partake as of now.

Of course, not even a week before I learned that I would finally be interviewed (we've been without that position being filled since I've been there, almost a year now), I was coming in completely baked... in fact, the first time I ever toked up before coming into work at the beginning of the night (usually it is just on lunch break), I had my yearly review, exceeded almost all expectations, and was asked if I was still interested in the position. :grin:

In fact, I registered on that website in order to reply specifically to the moron who showed his expertise and infinite wisdom on the subject at hand by copying and pasting baseless propaganda, on the point of "drugs in the workplace", or whatever.

My recent research in that area has proven that smoking and work do not in any way need to equal negative results. I find it hard to believe that smoking marijuana equates into absenteeism, as work usually tends to become even more enjoyable than one usually will find it, as they will be more "into" the experience. When I have smoked up while working, I am more conscious of my body and how I use it while working, which directly contradicts claims that being under the influence of marijuana will make one unsafe and will increase accidents. Working while high has increased my productivity in that I am more able to focus on the task at hand to a greater degree, being more aware of the more subtle qualities interplaying with my experience. I become immersed in the work experience. Working while high has really helped my working ability and provided me with an exponential increase in general understanding and improvement with myself, physically and mentally.

The point is that marijuana brings more awareness to one's thoughts and one's actions. People have confused the ill effects of a mentally weak and immature person smoking marijuana as actually occuring as a result of the drug use itself, when, really, using marijuana has only illuminated it and made it more apparent. The fact is that almost every American, in one area or the other, is severely, mentally immature.  :shocked:  :smirk:  :stoned:

Isn't it ironic that, by having beneficial experiences working while using marijuana, which increased my awareness of how I use my body and how I go about working, and has also increased the positive aspects of my attitude towards work itself, is risking my losing that job in its entirety by going for a position where I will be more capable of using my expertise and understanding in a manner that will benefit the place I work more than before? :lol:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: fireworks_god]
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Good points fireworks! Still there are some jobs that it wouldn't be a good idea. Especially if the person didn't smoke often enough to be used to it.

I am lucky in that my workplace feels drug testing to be a violation of civil rights. My guess is 80 to 90% of us are stoners of one type or another and talk about it openly at work for the most part.

Being stoned once a week for me is enough to deal with the inevitable boredom problems that set in after 15 years in the same job.  :cool:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Icelander]
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BTW, I asked the admin why the thread was closed and he said I was bashing the other members. When I asked him to point out the offensive post so that I might better learn to moderate my behaviour there was no response except to say that I was now bashing him when I pointed out his bias in linking all prohibtionist-favorable websites.

Is there no way to reach a drug-free mind ? Why do they so fear open discussion. It appears to be near-universal in the "Land of the Free".


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Swami]
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Perhaps it is the other way around...they do not take drugs because they fear open discussion.  :grin:

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Swami]
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I suggest the ultimate frisbee forums. When I played we were all stoners :grin:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Swami]
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It is because of fear of persecutiion. Many of the "drug free minds" are not even drug free...they are just afraid to stand up and make waves so they appear to conform. Many of the truly "drug free minds" may even agree with you, but are frightened of the legal and political ramifications of supporting your freedom. The only way to get them to leave old stereotypes behind is by being politically active, socially responsible, safe, and kind. Yet this, if it were well organized, would still take 20 years or more.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Many drug-free minds are addicted to nicotine and caffeine. Some even consume [gasp] the potent drug alcohol. Hypocrites are everywhere.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I suggest the ultimate frisbee forums. When I played we were all stoners :grin:


I think it's actually law that all who play disc golf must also smoke pot.

Most glorius thing ever -- down in 'bama, the nearby disc golf course..  has picnic tables.  Picnic tables HIDDEN WITHIN BUSHES.  You'd lose a disc, go looking for it in some 8' high brush, and all of a sudden you'd find a nice clear area, enough room to walk around this cement table with bench seats.  So you'd yell "Uh hey..  come here and help me.. look for this".

And sit down and blaze away.

Sheer brilliance.  I don't know if that was the intent of the designer, or if that's how whoever does the upkeep wanted it, or if it's just coincidence..  but it's just incredible.


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Mushmonkey]
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When I played it first we called it folf. That was somewhere around 30 years ago. :grin: We had a course on campus. The 9th hole was always toke up time. The next two holes were always brilliant for me. Then disaster. :grin: Guess I couldn't hold my pot. :blush:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Icelander]
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the first 'hidden' table at this course is, if I remember, on the 3rd or 4th hole...
i guess them damn rebels want to get right down to business :laugh:
I forget where all the others were..  there were a bunch.  and a couple nice spots that didn't have tables, like the.. 12th?  I forget exactly -- but one of the holes, right behind the hole itself was the shore of the river.  beautiful view, nice cool breeze.

and then there was the brilliant day I lost my disc, and after searching couldn't find it.  sat down to smoke a "ahh fuckit" bowl, and realized we had left it back at the apartment.
looked down in despair..
and saw something
a pen.. a metal pen, long abandoned.

LIGHTBULB!  MacGuyver time.  It worked perfectly. 

I lost a disc, but found a solution at just the right time.  Turned out to be a great day.


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Swami]
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So here's what we should do, then, to make sure it is legal for people like Swami, who are able to handle their ingestion abilities, and make sure it's illegal for people who aren't and who crash into others.

We pay more money to government to start a program to determine whether someone is "high" when he ingests a mind-altering substance. Some people get high, some don't. The tax payer should pay someone to determine when someone fits into the "high" category.

For instance, we could start a government-run program, paid for by us, the consumer, to determine whether an individual is able to handle his drug use. We do this on a case-by-case basis.

See, why criminalize something just because a lot of people who get high cause accidents, or do things while high that harm others? Let's all of us pay more money to have the government determine which of us individuals will cause problems when high, so that those of use who want to get high but don't cause problems can continue to get high.

See???


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Frog]
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Why don't we do that for alcohol and tobacco?

I think that sounds like a socialist idea that would probably fail drastically when applied to hundreds of millions of people. Let's just regulate all drugs like we do with alcohol, and problem solve; drugs are no longer in the hands of organized crime, and capitalism can resume as normal.


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Frog]
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Indeed, your example shows exactly how difficult it is to regulate something like this, and the manner in which you drastically increase the regulation drastically complicates everything and adds even more expenses.

Understanding this, it is a natural step to ask the question if the current amount of regulation is still too much regulation to be effective, let alone whether or not it is even truly necessary. I think any logical, clear-thinking individual who openly approaches this subject seeking to get to the true nature of everything involved will come to the conclusion that there is absolutely no benefit from regulating marijuana as an illegal substance, beyond the selfish benefits and motivations that serve the selfs who enacted the regulations in the first place. :thumbdown:

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Like being here
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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: fireworks_god]
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What I find interesting is that the same people who lay the "blood on your hands" by buying weed trip on you would also deny you the opportunity to grow it yourself. Of course, their argument is that weed is illegal regardless. These same type of people would have supported Prohibition as well, but drink alcohol now that it's "legal".

I believe these types of people are called "sheep".


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: fireworks_god]
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there's a much easier way.

It'd be illegal if you don't have a license, which you get by having a doctor prescribe you one.

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Swami]
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Edited by sever (07/17/06 03:47 PM)

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: sever]
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Anything can be extremely physiologically aggravating, given the right person. Weed just is a lightning rod for the PR side of things.


I don't trust any studies that claim pot increases risk of schizophrenia or any other mental disorders -- the ones I've come across, I heartily disagree with their conclusions based on their methods.

Firstly I'm not exactly keen on the figures they present for the prevelance of such disorders amongst all of society. When you throw in something like smoking pot, you get many questions that you can't exactly answer. Were they previously schizophrenic? Does that lead to a higher likelyhood of one choosing to smoke pot? Were they at risk for schizophrenia, and the pot set them off? Were they NOT at risk, and the pot CREATED the problem?

Not entirely answerable questions. You can make guesses, and in certain cases you can give exact answers -- say, someone who was diagnosed schizophrenic and LATER started toking -- but even in the case of someone known to be predisposed to schizophrenia who starts smoking pot and then somehow turns it into full-blown schizophrenia, there's absolutely no way of saying for sure that it was the marijuana that pulled the trigger.

For example, the difference between smokers among general society and smokers among diagnosed schizophrenics is huge -- much higher among schizophrenics. Does smoking cause or trigger schizophrenia?
I've never heard that theory posited -- although I did read a while back that nicotene 'helps' the schizophrenic mind to cope with the crazy amount of stimulus they've got going on in their head, and it might be an avenue to look down for treatment drugs.
Of course, no one suggests that about pot. It's not medically useful. It's illegal -- it's BAD, 100% pure blackest evil of evil. Obviously if more schizophrenics would be pot smokers, the pot must have CAUSED their condition!


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Frog]
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The Netherlands has proven that legal drug use, on a limited basis, will not create a national crisis, and can actually be beneficial in many ways. Our law enforcement agencies prefer to go after drug use and white collar crime more than violent criminals. Drug users and white collar criminals are much less prone to violence than murderers and rapists, so therefore they are safer to go after. Look at the laws concerning rape and sexual assault. In most states drug violations carry stiffer penalties. Hallucinogens are considered the medically safest drugs known and marijuana is certainly no worse than alcohol. All of our drug laws have an inbuilt bias based on FUD. Being a lawyer surely you can see this.


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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:thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Icelander]
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As an aside, the forum administrator admitted that I didn't "bash" anyone, but instead "irritated" them. (BTW, does this sound familiar to the banning fiasco last Christmas here?)

Hmm, let's compare:

MM proponent temporarily irritates someone

MM prohibtionist takes away one's money, freedom, property, livelihood, family...

Yup! I am the "bad guy" once again. How dare I ruffle their feathers in a vein attempt to get people to use their intelligence and think rather than parrot.


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Not only that, but drug arrests and white collar criminals often have some very valuable assets that can be seized, too! why, it's a win all-around!


Also delusion that the police are actually out to save lives can easily be dispelled by taking a look at their idea of making the roads safer. Hiding along the road to write tickets does nothing to stop speeding, nor are they able to write tickets to those who TRULY are unsafe drivers; ie, failure to yield, tailgating, swerving. The truly dangerous traffic practices are ignored because it costs money (gas) to witness them, and the amount of money brought in to the precinct is less than simply setting up a speed trap somewhere and waiting.


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Mushmonkey]
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"Hiding along the road to write tickets does nothing to stop speeding"

I worked in the field of public safety for 15 years. My job included enforcing OSHA safety regulations, Firefighter, Hazmat, and EMT, as well as enforcing various other public safety regulations. I have been the route of trying to hide to catch violators, at my employer's request. I found that it did nothing but rack up violations. It discouraged no one from committing the violations. I finally saw that the proper way to enforce these regulations was to be a visible, friendly, presence. My goal became to keep people from going out of compliance in the first place. Why bust people when you can prevent the violations altogether by being friendly, helpful, and courteous. Of course, enforcing laws that are wantonly oppressive requires sneakiness and force. Oppression requires one resort to such measures because people are naturally inclined towards freedom.


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