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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: CosmicJoke]
    #4222611 - 05/26/05 02:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

how well do your students of the game know you?

One knows I partake, but generally my private life is not relevant.

My students generally love me as they are ALL improving by leaps and bounds. I am a good observer, patient, and am adept at transmitting knowledge and breaking things down into small easily-digested pieces.

Last week though, I violated one of my personal rules: Do not play students in a "real" game. One begged me to give him the goods as he wanted to gauge his progress. I told him to measure himself against others that he has played with, but NOooooOOOOOO! I fell to his cajoling and then shut him out 15-0, literally without breaking a sweat and that caused a big emotional setback for him.

*Sigh* Gotta stick to my guns!


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #4223104 - 05/26/05 05:04 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Mushmonkey said:
'sides, once I'd be past the pre-hire test, unless I've got a workman's comp claim I won't be re-tested.. that's when the fun starts.




Indeed, that is when the fun starts. :spliff:

I'm in the same basic situation as you are right now. I'm being considered for a support manager position and I am not sure if I will get drug tested or not, so I can't partake as of now.

Of course, not even a week before I learned that I would finally be interviewed (we've been without that position being filled since I've been there, almost a year now), I was coming in completely baked... in fact, the first time I ever toked up before coming into work at the beginning of the night (usually it is just on lunch break), I had my yearly review, exceeded almost all expectations, and was asked if I was still interested in the position. :grin:

In fact, I registered on that website in order to reply specifically to the moron who showed his expertise and infinite wisdom on the subject at hand by copying and pasting baseless propaganda, on the point of "drugs in the workplace", or whatever.

My recent research in that area has proven that smoking and work do not in any way need to equal negative results. I find it hard to believe that smoking marijuana equates into absenteeism, as work usually tends to become even more enjoyable than one usually will find it, as they will be more "into" the experience. When I have smoked up while working, I am more conscious of my body and how I use it while working, which directly contradicts claims that being under the influence of marijuana will make one unsafe and will increase accidents. Working while high has increased my productivity in that I am more able to focus on the task at hand to a greater degree, being more aware of the more subtle qualities interplaying with my experience. I become immersed in the work experience. Working while high has really helped my working ability and provided me with an exponential increase in general understanding and improvement with myself, physically and mentally.

The point is that marijuana brings more awareness to one's thoughts and one's actions. People have confused the ill effects of a mentally weak and immature person smoking marijuana as actually occuring as a result of the drug use itself, when, really, using marijuana has only illuminated it and made it more apparent. The fact is that almost every American, in one area or the other, is severely, mentally immature.  :shocked:  :smirk:  :stoned:

Isn't it ironic that, by having beneficial experiences working while using marijuana, which increased my awareness of how I use my body and how I go about working, and has also increased the positive aspects of my attitude towards work itself, is risking my losing that job in its entirety by going for a position where I will be more capable of using my expertise and understanding in a manner that will benefit the place I work more than before? :lol:

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4223329 - 05/26/05 06:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Good points fireworks! Still there are some jobs that it wouldn't be a good idea. Especially if the person didn't smoke often enough to be used to it.

I am lucky in that my workplace feels drug testing to be a violation of civil rights. My guess is 80 to 90% of us are stoners of one type or another and talk about it openly at work for the most part.

Being stoned once a week for me is enough to deal with the inevitable boredom problems that set in after 15 years in the same job.  :cool:


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Icelander]
    #4223526 - 05/26/05 07:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

BTW, I asked the admin why the thread was closed and he said I was bashing the other members. When I asked him to point out the offensive post so that I might better learn to moderate my behaviour there was no response except to say that I was now bashing him when I pointed out his bias in linking all prohibtionist-favorable websites.

Is there no way to reach a drug-free mind ? Why do they so fear open discussion. It appears to be near-universal in the "Land of the Free".


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Swami]
    #4223539 - 05/26/05 07:14 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Perhaps it is the other way around...they do not take drugs because they fear open discussion.  :grin:


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Swami]
    #4223591 - 05/26/05 07:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I suggest the ultimate frisbee forums. When I played we were all stoners :grin:


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Swami]
    #4223629 - 05/26/05 07:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It is because of fear of persecutiion. Many of the "drug free minds" are not even drug free...they are just afraid to stand up and make waves so they appear to conform. Many of the truly "drug free minds" may even agree with you, but are frightened of the legal and political ramifications of supporting your freedom. The only way to get them to leave old stereotypes behind is by being politically active, socially responsible, safe, and kind. Yet this, if it were well organized, would still take 20 years or more.


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4223665 - 05/26/05 07:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Many drug-free minds are addicted to nicotine and caffeine. Some even consume [gasp] the potent drug alcohol. Hypocrites are everywhere.


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Icelander]
    #4223900 - 05/26/05 08:49 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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I suggest the ultimate frisbee forums. When I played we were all stoners :grin:




I think it's actually law that all who play disc golf must also smoke pot.

Most glorius thing ever -- down in 'bama, the nearby disc golf course..  has picnic tables.  Picnic tables HIDDEN WITHIN BUSHES.  You'd lose a disc, go looking for it in some 8' high brush, and all of a sudden you'd find a nice clear area, enough room to walk around this cement table with bench seats.  So you'd yell "Uh hey..  come here and help me.. look for this".

And sit down and blaze away.

Sheer brilliance.  I don't know if that was the intent of the designer, or if that's how whoever does the upkeep wanted it, or if it's just coincidence..  but it's just incredible.


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #4223911 - 05/26/05 08:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

When I played it first we called it folf. That was somewhere around 30 years ago. :grin: We had a course on campus. The 9th hole was always toke up time. The next two holes were always brilliant for me. Then disaster. :grin: Guess I couldn't hold my pot. :blush:


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Office [Re: Icelander]
    #4224336 - 05/26/05 11:03 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

the first 'hidden' table at this course is, if I remember, on the 3rd or 4th hole...
i guess them damn rebels want to get right down to business :laugh:
I forget where all the others were..  there were a bunch.  and a couple nice spots that didn't have tables, like the.. 12th?  I forget exactly -- but one of the holes, right behind the hole itself was the shore of the river.  beautiful view, nice cool breeze.

and then there was the brilliant day I lost my disc, and after searching couldn't find it.  sat down to smoke a "ahh fuckit" bowl, and realized we had left it back at the apartment.
looked down in despair..
and saw something
a pen.. a metal pen, long abandoned.

LIGHTBULB!  MacGuyver time.  It worked perfectly. 

I lost a disc, but found a solution at just the right time.  Turned out to be a great day.


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Swami]
    #4224511 - 05/27/05 12:07 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

So here's what we should do, then, to make sure it is legal for people like Swami, who are able to handle their ingestion abilities, and make sure it's illegal for people who aren't and who crash into others.

We pay more money to government to start a program to determine whether someone is "high" when he ingests a mind-altering substance. Some people get high, some don't. The tax payer should pay someone to determine when someone fits into the "high" category.

For instance, we could start a government-run program, paid for by us, the consumer, to determine whether an individual is able to handle his drug use. We do this on a case-by-case basis.

See, why criminalize something just because a lot of people who get high cause accidents, or do things while high that harm others? Let's all of us pay more money to have the government determine which of us individuals will cause problems when high, so that those of use who want to get high but don't cause problems can continue to get high.

See???


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Frog]
    #4224530 - 05/27/05 12:12 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Why don't we do that for alcohol and tobacco?

I think that sounds like a socialist idea that would probably fail drastically when applied to hundreds of millions of people. Let's just regulate all drugs like we do with alcohol, and problem solve; drugs are no longer in the hands of organized crime, and capitalism can resume as normal.


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Frog]
    #4225826 - 05/27/05 11:07 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Indeed, your example shows exactly how difficult it is to regulate something like this, and the manner in which you drastically increase the regulation drastically complicates everything and adds even more expenses.

Understanding this, it is a natural step to ask the question if the current amount of regulation is still too much regulation to be effective, let alone whether or not it is even truly necessary. I think any logical, clear-thinking individual who openly approaches this subject seeking to get to the true nature of everything involved will come to the conclusion that there is absolutely no benefit from regulating marijuana as an illegal substance, beyond the selfish benefits and motivations that serve the selfs who enacted the regulations in the first place. :thumbdown:

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4225852 - 05/27/05 11:22 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

What I find interesting is that the same people who lay the "blood on your hands" by buying weed trip on you would also deny you the opportunity to grow it yourself. Of course, their argument is that weed is illegal regardless. These same type of people would have supported Prohibition as well, but drink alcohol now that it's "legal".

I believe these types of people are called "sheep".


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4225917 - 05/27/05 11:42 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

there's a much easier way.

It'd be illegal if you don't have a license, which you get by having a doctor prescribe you one.


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Swami]
    #4227124 - 05/27/05 05:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: sever]
    #4227241 - 05/27/05 06:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Anything can be extremely physiologically aggravating, given the right person. Weed just is a lightning rod for the PR side of things.


I don't trust any studies that claim pot increases risk of schizophrenia or any other mental disorders -- the ones I've come across, I heartily disagree with their conclusions based on their methods.

Firstly I'm not exactly keen on the figures they present for the prevelance of such disorders amongst all of society. When you throw in something like smoking pot, you get many questions that you can't exactly answer. Were they previously schizophrenic? Does that lead to a higher likelyhood of one choosing to smoke pot? Were they at risk for schizophrenia, and the pot set them off? Were they NOT at risk, and the pot CREATED the problem?

Not entirely answerable questions. You can make guesses, and in certain cases you can give exact answers -- say, someone who was diagnosed schizophrenic and LATER started toking -- but even in the case of someone known to be predisposed to schizophrenia who starts smoking pot and then somehow turns it into full-blown schizophrenia, there's absolutely no way of saying for sure that it was the marijuana that pulled the trigger.

For example, the difference between smokers among general society and smokers among diagnosed schizophrenics is huge -- much higher among schizophrenics. Does smoking cause or trigger schizophrenia?
I've never heard that theory posited -- although I did read a while back that nicotene 'helps' the schizophrenic mind to cope with the crazy amount of stimulus they've got going on in their head, and it might be an avenue to look down for treatment drugs.
Of course, no one suggests that about pot. It's not medically useful. It's illegal -- it's BAD, 100% pure blackest evil of evil. Obviously if more schizophrenics would be pot smokers, the pot must have CAUSED their condition!


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Frog]
    #4227242 - 05/27/05 06:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

The Netherlands has proven that legal drug use, on a limited basis, will not create a national crisis, and can actually be beneficial in many ways. Our law enforcement agencies prefer to go after drug use and white collar crime more than violent criminals. Drug users and white collar criminals are much less prone to violence than murderers and rapists, so therefore they are safer to go after. Look at the laws concerning rape and sexual assault. In most states drug violations carry stiffer penalties. Hallucinogens are considered the medically safest drugs known and marijuana is certainly no worse than alcohol. All of our drug laws have an inbuilt bias based on FUD. Being a lawyer surely you can see this.


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Re: Swami vs. the Probation Officer [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4227260 - 05/27/05 06:31 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

:thumbup:


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