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InvisibleSwami
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Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate
    #3622751 - 01/13/05 11:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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No state has been more embarrassed by the divorce problem than Oklahoma. Over the past few months, Gov. Frank Keating has enlisted clergymen, academics, lawyers and psychologists in a campaign to reduce the divorce rate by a third within 10 years. In neighboring Arkansas, state officials hope to halve the divorce rate by 2010.

Seems the "cynical" Swami is right again when it comes to Bible believers being unable to follow their own beliefs. Want your marriage to last? Then you may want to stop going to church and reading scripture...


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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: Swami]
    #3622762 - 01/13/05 11:35 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If I'm not mistaken Oklahoma also has the highest abortion rate. Somehow I think it probobly doesn't qualify as the Bible Belt.


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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3622913 - 01/13/05 12:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"Religion may play a role, since some of the lowest divorce rates are in northeastern states with relatively high household incomes and large numbers of Roman Catholics whose church doesn't recognize divorce."


I'm just playing devil's advocate here, but perhaps the problem is that Roman Catholicism is the one true path because in the areas where it's more common, there's less of a divorce rate?


Or maybe it's because relationships built on dominance and miscommunication don't last well.


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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: Twirling]
    #3622968 - 01/13/05 01:05 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

What about the high income factor? I thought financial stress was in the top 3 reasons for causing divorce?

And consider, the Bible Belt region is pretty poor in comparison. It's easy to enjoy another when you have few financial worries and money to blow on good times.

And more then that which is sort of superficial is this to consider. if you have a high income, you are probably a pretty responcible person with your shit together. the same character traits that allowed you to become a financial success and finacially secure are the same traist that help you build a successful and secure marriage.

I would look for the link in education. If you don't have the education and life skills including people skills for achieiving financial success, your chances of achieving a successful marriage arn't very well either.

Look at the word resonce-ablity. If you do not have the ability to respond to problems well, how can you make a marriage last or become successful, let alone anything else?

The only link I can make between a lack of responce- ability between religions and failed marriages would be where ones religion tells them to make God responcible for their lives good or bad.

Like in swamis other power post. If your life is going good, its because you are being responce-able to it, period. If it is going bad and you say, well it's god will, maybe god is punishing me, or it's in gods hands and I will wait for god to fix it for me, well then there is your link.


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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: Twirling]
    #3623236 - 01/13/05 02:28 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Don't most of the non-Roman Catholic christian religions allow divorce?


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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: Swami]
    #3623254 - 01/13/05 02:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"Cycnical" Swami is right again.

Oh, really?


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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #3623273 - 01/13/05 02:36 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

No, I am not really cynical, merely a realist.


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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: Swami]
    #3623281 - 01/13/05 02:38 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

If their religion allows divorce, how can you claim that they aren't following their religion by getting a divorce?


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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3623308 - 01/13/05 02:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

"If I am not mistaken, Oklahoma also has the highest abortion rate."

Not to mention, the highest rate of Okies. OK, I did mention it. But, I was only kidding, kind of. I mean, can you imagine living in OK? It's flat with uninteresting scenery, it's dusty, it's hot, it's humid, and there's a lot of heavy petrochemical industry and pollution.

Having said that, Oklahoma City is a thriving metropolis, real estate is affordable, people work hard for relatively low wages, and Okies are good folk. This in spite of being "religious hypocrites with high divorce rate" and "why don't we get drunk and screw types with high abortion rates." Yee haw!


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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: trendal]
    #3623325 - 01/13/05 02:47 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Not sure what you mean by "allow", but an integral part of Christian religious marriage ceremonies includes an oath to spouse, society, and God. Breaking a promise to the Supreme Deity is indicative that you either do not take your vow or your belief very seriously.

Matthew 5:31-32 KJV)
(31) But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.


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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: Swami]
    #3623357 - 01/13/05 02:58 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Well I would contend that most (if not all) Christians follow their religion...and not the Bible word-for-word. Each of the major Christian religions interprets the Bible slightly differently. One of the MAIN differences between Catholicism and "the rest" is that Catholicism still does not permit divorce except under extreme circumstances, whereas the Anglicans and ALL the other Churches that I know of actually DO permit divorce under NORMAL circumstances. In fact, that was one of the main (if not THE main) reason the Anglican church separated from the Catholic church: because King Henry wanted a divorce but the Pope wouldn't give him one.

You may feel comfortable grouping all the separate Christian churches into one large congregation...but there are some very important differences between the separate Churches that have to be taken into account.


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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: trendal]
    #3623403 - 01/13/05 03:07 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Repeat: Breaking a promise to the Supreme Deity is indicative that you either do not take your vow or your belief very seriously.

This has nothing to do with what denomination you are.


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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: Swami]
    #3623425 - 01/13/05 03:12 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Repeat: Breaking a promise to the Supreme Deity is indicative that you either do not take your vow or your belief very seriously.

I never said that wasn't true. I agree 100% with it.

I was trying to point out that you cannot simply link "going to church and reading scripture" with an increased chance of divorce.


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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: Swami]
    #3623683 - 01/13/05 04:23 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Swami said:
Not sure what you mean by "allow", but an integral part of Christian religious marriage ceremonies includes an oath to spouse, society, and God. Breaking a promise to the Supreme Deity is indicative that you either do not take your vow or your belief very seriously.

Matthew 5:31-32 KJV)
(31) But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.





Where exactly, in the bible, did it EVER say that a human would be made perfect when they converted?

Yes, if these people are true believers then they are obviously at fault, but that doesn't make the faith invalid or any less credible.

I don't understand the point of this thread.


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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: ld50negative1]
    #3624004 - 01/13/05 05:39 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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ld50negative1 said:
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Swami said:
Not sure what you mean by "allow", but an integral part of Christian religious marriage ceremonies includes an oath to spouse, society, and God. Breaking a promise to the Supreme Deity is indicative that you either do not take your vow or your belief very seriously.

Matthew 5:31-32 KJV)
(31) But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.





Where exactly, in the bible, did it EVER say that a human would be made perfect when they converted?

Yes, if these people are true believers then they are obviously at fault, but that doesn't make the faith invalid or any less credible.

I don't understand the point of this thread.




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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: JCoke]
    #3624072 - 01/13/05 05:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

swami, come here.

there more familier with the whole christian thing than me, i'd love to see you run amok there.

edit: there's a thread there about this very subject if anybody wants to hear a bunch of christians bitch about it.


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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: ld50negative1]
    #3626227 - 01/14/05 01:34 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Where exactly, in the bible, did it EVER say that a human would be made perfect when they converted?

Of course, I never said that, but here you go anyway:

J.C. "By your acts, they shall know you."

I fail to see how someone who dedicates their life to the Lord can show no difference from those who don't as far the nature of sin goes. The belief in the Bible doesn't seem too efficacious for the changing of lives and the data appears to back that assertion up.


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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: Swami]
    #3626282 - 01/14/05 01:44 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Where there's a will, there's a way out.


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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: Sclorch]
    #3626300 - 01/14/05 01:47 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

You got that. In my five years of posting, seems everyone who believes in esoterica has a truckload of excuses why there are no real-world results. Something that works should be self-evident.

Contrast that to the fact that I ALWAYS back up my strong assertions.


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Re: Bible Belt leads in Divorce Rate [Re: Swami]
    #3626451 - 01/14/05 02:14 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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You got that. In my five years of posting, seems everyone who believes in esoterica has a truckload of excuses why there are no real-world results. Something that works should be self-evident.

Contrast that to the fact that I ALWAYS back up my strong assertions.




Maybe you could will that to be my new signature.


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