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InvisibleSwami
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Recognizing a Master
    #3338484 - 11/09/04 07:58 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Would YOU recognize a spiritual Master if you met one?


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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: Swami]
    #3338491 - 11/09/04 08:00 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

lol a spiritual master?

What the hell is that?


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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: Swami]
    #3338512 - 11/09/04 08:07 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've looked, but all I've been able to find are charlatans. Either there are no spiritual masters or I am deficient in the gifts necessary to determine such a thing.


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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: Swami]
    #3338537 - 11/09/04 08:14 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I've met people with calm eyes and steady minds who are what I would term very spiritual people.

If by "spiritual master" you mean sombody along the lines of Buhdda or Jesus, I don't know whether they were actually all that special or if it would be easy to tell if sombody could be put in the same catagory; I've certainly never met anybody whos spiritual practice was so advanced that I would put them in an entirely seperate catagory from the rest of us.


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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: Swami]
    #3338543 - 11/09/04 08:16 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Good question for discussion.

Personally, I think that today, Jesus or the Buddha would go quite unnoticed by alot of people in public. He would be pretty invisible, almost like a "nobody". BUT, only a "nobody" to those with egos. Egos are attracted to larger egos.

Truly enlightened masters, the very few that are real, are not special as persons. Without a false sense of self to uphold, defend, and feed, they are more simple, more ordinary than the ordinary man or woman. Anyone with a strong ego would regard them as insignificant or, more likely, not see them at all.
Any kind of exclusivity is identification with form, and identification with form means ego, no matter how well disguised.

If you are drawn to an enlightened teacher, it is because there is already enough presence in you to recognize presence in another.

I was also discussing this subject a while ago, and a friend of mine believes that self-realization is the Death of the Ego. According to him, these people [spiritual masters] are empty. There is NOTHING inside of them. If you see a self-realized teacher face to face you will see a vacant hollow eyes [which is the most I can put in language], there is nobody there.
That doesn't necessarily mean that they would have 'cold eyes', of course... the joy of Being certainly is not cold in my experience, at least. :wink:



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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #3338567 - 11/09/04 08:22 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"Whit nothing inside, one got it all in that"
-unknown :P


""Would YOU recognize a spiritual Master if you met one? ""

recognize nothing and nothing is a spiritual 'master'? :P


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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: Swami]
    #3338578 - 11/09/04 08:26 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I see one every morning when I look in the mirror. The only spiritual master is the self.


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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: Gomp]
    #3338586 - 11/09/04 08:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

We are all enlightened, it just takes some of us a long time realize that and empower ourselves.


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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: psyka]
    #3338603 - 11/09/04 08:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Swami, goddamit, I thought I had already explained this....


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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: Swami]
    #3338783 - 11/09/04 09:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

since I'm not a spiritual master I probably wouldn't know what to look for.  have I met others that have seemed wiser beyond their years and have i learned something from them?? yes! :smile:


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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: kaiowas]
    #3338810 - 11/09/04 09:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

I agree with those who don't see the word as having any meaning outside of themselves.

I liked this one when I heard it. A true master is some one who is mastered by no one and seeks not to master over anyone.

I work on that, can't say I know anyone who fits the bill completely, but many I think are in the ball park.


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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: Swami]
    #3338947 - 11/09/04 10:15 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Do you need an epicurean master to teach you to eat? Or a TV Master to tell you what to watch?

Then why look for a spiritual master to tell you what you already know?

Life has provided you with a thousand valuable lessons. Each designed specifically for you. You need do no more than listen and learn.


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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: Cyber]
    #3338956 - 11/09/04 10:17 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Do you need an epicurean master to teach you to eat? Or a TV Master to tell you what to watch?
Yes.

Then why look for a spiritual master to tell you what you already know?
This question is redundant after my response to the above question.


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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: Swami]
    #3338998 - 11/09/04 10:27 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

hmmm...

stephen gaskin comes to mind...
(although i rather suspect he would shun the label...)


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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: Swami]
    #3339020 - 11/09/04 10:32 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

"Those who know do not say;
those who say do not know."

"Sages do not accumulate anything
but give everything to others,
having more the more they give."
-Tao Te Ching

By a "spiritual master" I presume you mean a sage or wiseman who others consider enlightened. I would not know immediately on seeing someone, but those who claim themselves to be enlightened I would doubt the most of attaining it. Those who live humbly and gain through loss, who are always flexible and bending in mind, whose words are never wasted and seem to always be learning, I would see as the most likely candidate to be a sage.

Though one would wonder how many "spiritual masters" have died without telling anyone of what they have learned, without even caring themselves what others think them to be. Perhaps many people who are just considered peaceful, quiet, introspective and benevolent are just silent sages, a Jesus without disciples or a Buddha without preaching.

After all, the world does not need any more religions.


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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3339030 - 11/09/04 10:34 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

What skorp said is true :smile:

However, it takes someone willing to learn to apply the label master. The person is not objectively a different race of human, homo sapiens masteriens or something, but just an ordinary person whose messages hold great spiritual significance to others. What one musn't forget though, is that they are still people, no matter how much one learns from them.

It's like, what is a master without a student?

Also, what hue said is true. The self is the best master there is. LEarning from others is still learning from yourself, as you are what internalize that sensory input and apply that spiritual meaning to the inert medium. As all we have are experiences, we can only go by experiences in guiding our own path of 'knowledge'. This is not to say that you can't learn a lot from others, so long as you are willing to listen. But, even this, is still learning from oneself.

Or something.

Sum up - no such thing as 'spiritual master' unless someone labels one as such. The only true master for a subjective being is themselves, as they are the source of their own cognition and spiritual understanding. I dunno.


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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: Swami]
    #3339284 - 11/09/04 11:49 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

one? The world is littered with them. Damn Masters.

We need to build some monasteries with barred windows to house them.


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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: falcon]
    #3339289 - 11/09/04 11:50 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

if by spiritual master you mean egotistical asshole, then yea....


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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: falcon]
    #3339295 - 11/09/04 11:51 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

hmm. id say if they are out there i havent met one yet. then again i havent done much looking. id look for someone who was very happy and trouble free in their own lives. if they werent, how could they offer me advice on mine? (if there still dealing with big problems in their own lives)


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Re: Recognizing a Master [Re: falcon]
    #3339302 - 11/09/04 11:53 PM (12 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

falcon said:
one? The world is littered with them. Damn Masters.

We need to build some monasteries with barred windows to house them.




Amen to that! :thumbup:


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