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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: Veritas]
    #7321525 - 08/22/07 02:16 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Hmmm...by this logic, shouldn't the existence of Michael Jordan result in a planet full of basketball gods within a few generations?




*sigh* Even Veritas sometimes goes astray.

1. Enlightenment as 'advertised' is available to anyone with pure intent. Superior athletic genetics cannot be taught. Please teach me how to grow to 6' 7".

2. Basketball knowledge and training has improved vastly. I would wager that any pro team today would dominate a pro team from a generation ago.


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7321538 - 08/22/07 02:21 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

You forgot to quote my :wink:

My point was more about interest and inclination than natural talent, but perhaps you have introduced an important consideration--are all humans capable of pursuing the inward path?

If so few do, in fact, have "pure intent," then it would seem that just as not not all of us can be "like Mike," not all of us can be "like Buddha."


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: Veritas]
    #7321559 - 08/22/07 02:29 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

DJ would agree here. Personal power is the key factor in whatever we set out to accomplish. Without enough then failure or partial success would be the outcome.


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7321587 - 08/22/07 02:37 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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If an Enlightened Master could not open the eyes of at least two other people then I would postulate that he/she totally sucked as a Master and should have his/her certificate revoked.




Why is the internal state of other people proof of an Enlightened Master's internal state? This is fallacious.

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However, as the maturity level of mankind seems to have been unaffected since we first made fire




Really? What proof can you offer for this assertion? We may still exhibit some primitive behaviors, but there have been major changes in both emotional maturity AND intellectual understanding since early humans huddled around their Magical Fire.


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: Veritas]
    #7321749 - 08/22/07 03:24 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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What proof can you offer for this assertion?




Slavery.

WWI and WWII.

The millions deliberately starved to death in the Ukraine by their own goverment.

The holocaust of the Jews while the world stood by.

The killing fields of Cambodia.

The Rwandan tribal slaughter.

The Biafran tribal slaughter.

The Sudanese tribal slaughter.

There are too many man-against-man atrocities to list. These pointless acts of violence speak of anger and ignorance.

Add to that the pollution of the oceans, rivers, air; the destruction of the rainforest and general deforestation worldwide; the extermination of many species and so on.

Sure there are sparks of light and spiritual maturity here and there, but seemingly not enough to make any real impact.


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7321759 - 08/22/07 03:29 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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i'm "Ignorant, puerile, and a thief!", who would listen to my petty words?




:shrug:




did you forget the rating you gave me?  :wink:

or are you just in a current state of :shrug:


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7321766 - 08/22/07 03:32 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

None of those incidents prove that mankind has not matured since we discovered how to create fire. You are focusing on the primitive behaviors we still exhibit, rather than examining the cooperative and compassionate behaviors we have developed.

What about those who risked their lives by establishing refugee camps and hospitals during the wars you mentioned? Who sheltered Jews and aided them in leaving the country to avoid the Holocaust? Who work to clean up the environmental messes caused by the ignorant? Are they still huddled around the Magical Fire, or could they be evidence of our progression?

Do you intend to answer my question regarding your "test" of the presence of Enlightened Masters?


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7321773 - 08/22/07 03:33 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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(Not just to Sinbad) As per usual, there is no real rebuttal to my point that the world has remained seemingly unaffected in any positive way from the teachings of any masters.




i have been affected by the teachings of certain masters.  of course you could only know this having experienced my life... other than that, :shrug:

if i didn't have the information these masters have given us, i think my run on this path to self-realization would be more like a walk... or a crawl.


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: onlynow]
    #7321776 - 08/22/07 03:33 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Relevance to this thread? Do you understand how, when, and why to use a PM for personal issues?


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7321788 - 08/22/07 03:38 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

I am inclined to agree here. Overall we have not really changed at our core it seems.


Sure there are sparks of light and spiritual maturity here and there, but seemingly not enough to make any real impact.


"Twas ever thus" If you really want to see some light in this world you will have to be that light. I don't look to the world for answers anymore.


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: Icelander]
    #7321796 - 08/22/07 03:42 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

*sigh* Cynicism is just as limiting as blind optimism.  Why not look around & see the incredible variation of human expression?  There are so many shades besides black and white.  (Or, in the case of blind cynicism, black and darker black. :tongue:)


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: Veritas]
    #7321811 - 08/22/07 03:46 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Don't get me wrong dearest. I do see some beautiful things from humanity. I still suggest that overall we can acknowledge that the human race is for the most part fear driven and unconscious. It may take many many generations to see any real movement to a mostly love motivated and courageous humanity, if ever.


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: Icelander]
    #7321814 - 08/22/07 03:47 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Ice, you are closer than I am. Slap her around until she realizes that mankind has not progressed.


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7321820 - 08/22/07 03:48 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

We only slap in love play.:shrug:


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7321821 - 08/22/07 03:48 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

You're right, humanity sucks. I'm moving to a remote locale & will never contact other humans again.

Ta.


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: Veritas]
    #7321830 - 08/22/07 03:52 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Did I say humanity sucks, oh great strawman builder? Or did I say humanity has remain basically unchanged since we left the savannah?

You already live in a remote locale and hippies and fluffy authors are not truly part of humanity.


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7321848 - 08/22/07 03:57 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

None of this changes the fact that your entire argument rests on your assertion that Enlightened Masters must enlighten others in order to prove their own enlightenment.

If I master a subject, does my mastery depend upon teaching it successfully to others? Does their failure to demonstrate mastery undermine my knowledge?

I will ask you again, since you failed to answer the first time: why is the internal state of others proof of the internal state of the Enlightened Master?


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: Veritas]
    #7321854 - 08/22/07 03:58 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Look out for Icelander's three strike rule.:whoa:


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: Veritas]
    #7321858 - 08/22/07 04:00 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

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Veritas said:
You're right, humanity sucks.  I'm moving to a remote locale & will never contact other humans again.

Ta.




Except me and the boys. When do we leave?:inlove:


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: Icelander]
    #7321861 - 08/22/07 04:01 PM (14 years, 1 month ago)

Nope, you all suck, too, and so do I.  I can't leave myself behind, so I'll have to tolerate my own humanity somehow.  :crazy:


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