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How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses
    #7383840 - 09/08/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Lately I have started to notice the author photos on the backs of spiritual and self help books. I have noticed that so many of these authors are fat and severely out of shape...or just plain unhealthy looking. How can one claim to have mastered ones reality if one has such a sloppy fat ass that they can't get through the door? Should not spiritual development start with the physical vehicle we live through. Is that not the seat of awareness, and is not awareness the means through which we perceive and interact with the spiritual?

I am saying this because even though I have been working on my spiritual path for nearly ten years up until just last year I had neglected myself thoroughly. After all is not the material form often considered "profane" :lol: by many spiritual people? I bullshitted myself this way. I had navigated alcoholism and anger, but my progress was sporadic and grudging. Last year another member of this board brought this to my attention, and I became aware that in order to make the maximum amount of energy available to myself I had to have an energy storage mechanism that functioned properly. I was 42 years old and weighed 360 pounds (at 6'4" tall). My past efforts to curb my weight gain over the last 20 years had been very ineffective and temporary by only a few months. I was afflicted with poor health and I had aged beyond my years. Since I was made aware of this in June of 2006 I have lost 140 pounds. I spend over two hours a day running and exercising. I have reworked my diet from a junk diet to a healthy and partly organic diet. I am in excellent physical condition and can run nearly 10 miles in one session.

It is obvious to me that my emotional and psychological work has started to progress much more rapidly since I started making this physical change. Developing the discipline to do this has made me much more fluid mentally and emotionally in every way. I have concluded that the primary source...and most basic source of personal power rests on the condition of one's health. This is the most basic spiritual aspect of development that can be approached by a human. Without this foundation of physical health and vitality any other spiritual work will be grudgingly small in comparison.

So, why are so many (not all) of these so called masters in such poor health? I do not take away from their ideas, but how can such an obvious point not be obvious to a "master"? Does not awareness entail responsibility? I think that it does.


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7383875 - 09/08/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses




I truly resent that remark. :mad:

Props to your transformation. I am in the market for a new master - any takers?


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7384788 - 09/08/07 05:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I think you answered your own question with the qualifier "so-called." That chubby little Maharaji who headed up the Divine Light Mission in the 70s was neither Maha (Great) nor was he a raji (king). He was a spoiled rich little shit who'd ride around on his lawn mower on his Long Island, NY estate and ask visiting college kids if they knew the secret of "Life, Spirit and
Death." Pretty transparent if you ask me. Of course, we knew about LSD. What we didn't know is just how many geeks and dorks found comfort in his bogus cult and useless two hour meditations on white light (while sitting under a sheet like a ghost). Then he married this leggy air line stewardess and his family objected (yeah, most families object to their golden goose getting snagged by a gold-digger. It wasn't his looks or manner I can tell ya that).

Neem Karolie Baba of BE HERE NOW fame was famous to Americans when he was rather old and fat. It was not always that way. But in the writings, he would 'take on karma' in several stories, by eating. Like when ram Dass bought oranges, which he dropped, making the psychologist cry like a baby (?) Baba picked up and ate 5 oranges faster than Ram Dass had ever seen anyone eat. When an old yogi was dying, Baba apparently 'knew' that the yogi was being beseiged by the irrational desire for chapatis and dal, and so started yelling for the women to feed him in the middle of the night, thereby taking on the karma of the dying yogi so that the desire wouldn't interfere with his liberation and cause him to reincarnate as some hungry being. Now, I've always felt that Neem Karolie was the real deal even if I could never claim that he was 'my' Guru. The delirium of the dying yogi could be corroborated, so who knows about this sort of thing? The little rich kid was just a piggy, so one has to discern I think. :shrug:

BTW, congratulations on your healthy transformation. I really can't grok the extent of it because if I lost 140 pounds I'd weigh about 10 pounds. :grin: Here's to you (*swigs down a gulp of Beck's Dark*).


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7385308 - 09/08/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Moderator Edit: This forum is intended for the discussion of ideas that posters present, and not for the discussion of the personal nature of the posters themselves. This is clearly expressed in the forum rules. When other users specifically inform you that the behavior you are engaging in is not what the forum is intended for, and you assert that it is for the original poster to deal with, you are disrespecting the nature of the forum, as well as the quality contributors who are actually interested in using this forum for its intended purpose.


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
    #7385345 - 09/08/07 08:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Keep in mind that all the "spiritual masters" preach about self-discipline.
Well, self discipline IS about taking care of one's body too. It all comes down to health, and mental/spiritual health is directly related to the physical health.
I don't think you really got his post, not to mention that talking about the op's behavior has nothing to do with the subject. Because other that you were not able to come up with some real answers to the subject.


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7385365 - 09/08/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
    #7385410 - 09/08/07 08:21 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

And at the risk of repeating myself, it's no the op that is to be discussed here.
Not to mention that I really wonder how thinking that most spiritual masters were fat asses could do anyone any harm.
From all the data I have gathered, one needs nobody else than the self for producing a personal growth. It sounds to me that only a person who puts his trust on these "masters" and which give credit to them for any of their progress are likely to fall when their role models come up with flaws.


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7385456 - 09/08/07 08:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Moderator Edit: This forum is intended for the discussion of ideas that posters present, and not for the discussion of the personal nature of the posters themselves. This is clearly expressed in the forum rules. When other users specifically inform you that the behavior you are engaging in is not what the forum is intended for, and you assert that it is for the original poster to deal with, you are disrespecting the nature of the forum, as well as the quality contributors who are actually interested in using this forum for its intended purpose.


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7385609 - 09/08/07 09:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Keep in mind that all the "spiritual masters" preach about self-discipline.
Well, self discipline IS about taking care of one's body too. It all comes down to health, and mental/spiritual health is directly related to the physical health.
I don't think you really got his post, not to mention that talking about the op's behavior has nothing to do with the subject. Because other that you were not able to come up with some real answers to the subject.




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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
    #7385698 - 09/08/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think that recognizing a fact makes me judgmental. I well understand the pitfalls of personal neglect. I also am not discussing the essential goodness that people possess. My point is that in my opinion if one wants to master a spiritual discipline the most effective place to start is with the physical body. I have found through the experience that I have detailed that as my body has achieved higher states of health that my potential for change has increased. A healthy body is a more efficient energy storage mechanism than an unhealthy one, and energy is required for any sort of mastery. A relapse is not a possibility for me. Awareness entails responsibility, and having accepted responsibility for myself will not allow me to step backward. I do not wish to punish anyone, but I am just stating facts based on my experience. I have deep empathy for anyone with weight and/or substance abuse problems because I have experienced these things myself. I also am not slamming all spiritual/self help authors as there are many that walk the path they teach, but I believe that the majority of the "masters" do not. This does not negate the possibility of these individuals having practical ideas. If you have not mastered the self then you have mastered nothing. I am just beginning down this path and I have detailed my experiences accurately to support my point.


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
    #7385729 - 09/08/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Not to mention that I really wonder how thinking that most spiritual masters were fat asses could do anyone any harm.




:shrug:
My post wasn't meant for you.
It was meant to help the OP.

Let the OP be offended or appreciative, dismissive or enlightened on his own accord.




And this is a free discussion and everyone can step in and reply to ANY post. :grin:


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7385740 - 09/08/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I agree. My posts are out of my hands once they are loose in the wild. Let them roam where they may.


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7385752 - 09/08/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the comments and encouraging remark. Save one of those Beck's Darks for me...I can still drink one every once in a while...


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
    #7385757 - 09/08/07 09:42 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm sorry, but I think the ops post is symptomatic of a personal crisis that will likely undo his progress unless he rethinks things.




Yep.

A monk asked Joshu, does Buddha's belly have Buddha nature?

Joshu replied, "Mu."


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Mezcal]
    #7385819 - 09/08/07 09:56 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I expected to receive criticism for this post.


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7385965 - 09/08/07 10:37 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Moderator Edit: This forum is intended for the discussion of ideas that posters present, and not for the discussion of the personal nature of the posters themselves. This is clearly expressed in the forum rules. When other users specifically inform you that the behavior you are engaging in is not what the forum is intended for, and you assert that it is for the original poster to deal with, you are disrespecting the nature of the forum, as well as the quality contributors who are actually interested in using this forum for its intended purpose.


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7385998 - 09/08/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Excellent work hue!


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
    #7386005 - 09/08/07 10:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Your first quote and comment should be addressed to Mushroomtrip as that comment was hers not mine.

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Painting a picture of someone's sloppy ass not being able to fit through a door is a judgement. I mean: How many of these authors have you actually observed in transit?




No it was intended as an inflammatory joke. It hooked your attention so it worked.

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I guess if you discover that you have cancer tomorrow, you'll have to rethink everything, right?




No. I am talking about taking responsibility for ones health to the extent possible. Some illnesses and injuries cannot be foreseen, but if one is in a healthy state these obstacle are more easily dealt with.

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What matters are ideas




Only if they work.

Maybe I was not clear about my point so I will restate it so that you may begin to understand my message:

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My point is that in my opinion if one wants to master a spiritual discipline the most effective place to start is with the physical body. I have found through the experience that I have detailed that as my body has achieved higher states of health that my potential for change has increased. A healthy body is a more efficient energy storage mechanism than an unhealthy one, and energy is required for any sort of mastery.




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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: SCleROTiUM_LICK]
    #7386069 - 09/08/07 11:05 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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C'mon. Painting a picture of someone's sloppy ass not being able to fit through a door is a judgement. I mean: How many of these authors have you actually observed in transit? I think I was previously being accused of an Ad Hominem attack- which, incidentally, I find pretty inconsquential for a spiritual discussion- however, is that not what you are doing when making a judgment about a person's authority when based on their physical appearance and condition? I guess if you discover that you have cancer tomorrow, you'll have to rethink everything, right? Wait.... Before you answer that.... maybe you should have some bloodwork done?




We live and act in this world based on our judgment. Which is NOT to be confused with having preconceived ideas. I think we all here here have (or should have if we wish to engage in an honest discussion) the maturity and the intelligence to note the difference between those two, as well as realizing that in this case, in this subject, it is a matter of taking to consideration the data one gathers and make the most fit (as in most close to the nature of truth) calculations. It's called becoming conscious of one's path and in which manner one chooses to interact and interpret life. It is imperative to JUDGE because through judging we make our decisions, and we all strive to make the best decisions (for us). I hope I'm getting through to you.
One who writes about enlightenment and self-discipline, as a first hand experience and maybe even more, as a personal recipe to becoming spiritual, but which can't care his own body and treat it with respect, in my book, is most like called a hypocrite. One who's out on fooling people and making them dependent in their dogma, with the aim of becoming a guru (with all the ramifications and implications this term has).
And then you see people adoring some guy like that, which doesn't take his own advice and takes advantage of people's foolishness and weaknesses.
It's also one of the causes for so many problems we encounter in this today's world (people fighting over enlightenment, killing in the name of god and so on).
I hope you're still following me.
It is still pretty damn obvious that what the OP was trying to do (besides emphasizing the fact that we should never forget that we're our own persons and that in many cases gurus are frauds and power and wisdom come from regaining one's power, not giving it to somebody else) a personal analysis, based in his own experience and clearly explaining the mental chain of self indulgence he had followed and how he grew out of it.
Tell me, what exactly do you see wrong with that?
Since when observing the fact of life, in a lucid way, has become something wrong?
And dude, wtf does cancer has do to with this discussion? :what:
I think it's just a low form of intimidating that you're trying to use here, in order to make one change his views. :thumbdown:

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That's sagacious. But, more importantly, did you expect to console yourself over a big ol' bucket of chicken when you were forced to acknowledge that these authors were humans just like you?




Are you able to discuss the subject instead of attacking the person? What a shitty and immature comment. :wtf:


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Grok]
    #7386076 - 09/08/07 11:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks.


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7386101 - 09/08/07 11:12 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Great post with an excellent analysis.

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Are you able to discuss the subject instead of attacking the person? What a shitty and immature comment




Our communications only show others the reflections of their reality. Sometimes this causes them to take things personally. It seems to be the case with this person. They will not see my point because somewhere I have touched a nerve with them. That is OK.


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7386162 - 09/08/07 11:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I agree. My posts are out of my hands once they are loose in the wild. Let them roam where they may.




Hues' posts out on the savannah:



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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7386225 - 09/08/07 11:44 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

My posts are more like this:



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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7386387 - 09/09/07 12:32 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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My posts are more like this:







And like this after I have finished deconstructing them:



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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7386568 - 09/09/07 02:14 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

if you've mastered life what else is there to do but laugh and grow fat...


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7386580 - 09/09/07 02:20 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Run plays.


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7386925 - 09/09/07 07:12 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Being grossly fat didn't make me laugh, but who knows it may work for you...give it a try.


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7386932 - 09/09/07 07:15 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Well you can try, but jaguars do bite...


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7387631 - 09/09/07 10:26 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

This seems the most likely answer to your question:

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After all is not the material form often considered "profane" :lol: by many spiritual people?




Those "masters" probably drew a mental line between the sacred and the profane, and pursued a spiritual path in an attempt to transcend the physical.  (Good luck with all that. :tongue:)

In my experience, it is much more difficult to "transcend" the physical when your body is unhealthy.  A healthy body will sit quietly, without pain, and respond when action is needed.  An unhealthy body complains constantly, and distracts the mind from other pursuits.  An unhealthy body is desperate to regain balance, and will clamor for attention until it gets what it needs.


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Veritas]
    #7387674 - 09/09/07 10:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Swami Vivekanada was an exception.

In one of his lectures,he said:

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'Be Strong, my young friends, that is my advice to you. You will be nearer to heaven though football than though the study of GITA.




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    #7387698 - 09/09/07 10:40 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)



The question is, did he practice what he preached?


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Veritas]
    #7387712 - 09/09/07 10:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I totally agree. If ones body is using all of it's energy in vain attempts to heal itself while the person does not support it's healing efforts there is a constant energy sink there...a leak if you will. How will you have energy to pursue a path of progress in other things with this constant leak.


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    #7387720 - 09/09/07 10:44 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

He's a little pudgy, but he doesn't look too bad.


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    #7387724 - 09/09/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I can't find a pic of him playing football :lol:


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    #7387734 - 09/09/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I've seen the truth of that in watching my mother's slow decline.  :sad:  She is a brilliant woman, truly skillful in her field (teaching), with many insights the world would benefit from hearing/reading, yet her poor health has drained her energy for decades.

She desperately tries to find a "quick fix" for the conditions she has created gradually over the past 35 years, while continuing the habits that destroy her health.

No one is exempt from this cause/effect relationship, and yet so many of us (myself included) seem to want to believe that they will be the exception.


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    #7387740 - 09/09/07 10:52 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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He's a little pudgy, but he doesn't look too bad.




Tough to tell with all those layers of robes.  :grin:

Hey, why don't we see any photos of gurus playing football?  Or tennis, or racquetball (;))?  How about lifting weights?  We see the yogis doing yoga, but rarely are we presented with a spiritual role model who is also fit and active.


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    #7387765 - 09/09/07 10:58 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

It would something to see a spiritual guru posing like this  :lol:



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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7387770 - 09/09/07 10:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Lately I have started to notice the author photos on the backs of spiritual and self help books. I have noticed that so many of these authors are fat and severely out of shape...or just plain unhealthy looking.




It is just another way to pick up chicks. Because they're so often ignored as potential mates by the opposite sex, they fleece sad, needy, or stupid people and use their money to rise up the social ladder.


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    #7387774 - 09/09/07 11:00 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

"Ah-nald says, may your biceps be as big as your spirit!"  :lol:


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    #7387822 - 09/09/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Sports are a waste of energy from a Yogic perspective. Moreover, the competative mentality for ego-glorification, monetary and social gain is contrary to the essence of Yoga philosophy.

More often we see someone like Chogyam Trungpa with the exalted title Rinpoche, who swilled saki, smoked cigarettes and hit on married women. He wrote great books, although I tend to question the value certain ideas like "Vajra pride," (which differs from ordinary pride only by its pathological self-importance). Trungpa's 'followers' would rationalize all of his gross habits with sayings about "crazy wisdom" and how the rest of us unenlightened monkeys hold false preconceptions about what compassion and wisdom are like. He had a couple of his followers cut off Bhagwan Dass's long dreadlocks at Naropa while he was passed out in a drunken stupor. I don't see this as being very compassionate or very wise, but maybe I'm blinded by my preconceived notion of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.'


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    #7387823 - 09/09/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Sports are a waste of energy from a Yogic perspective. Moreover, the competative mentality for ego-glorification, monetary and social gain is contrary to the essence of Yoga philosophy.

More often we see someone like Chogyam Trungpa with the exalted title Rinpoche, who swilled saki, smoked cigarettes and hit on married women. He wrote great books, although I tend to question the value certain ideas like "Vajra pride," (which differs from ordinary pride only by its pathological self-importance). Trungpa's 'followers' would rationalize all of his gross habits with sayings about "crazy wisdom" and how the rest of us unenlightened monkeys hold false preconceptions about what compassion and wisdom are like. He had a couple of his followers cut off Bhagwan Dass's long dreadlocks at Naropa while he was passed out in a drunken stupor. I don't see this as being very compassionate or very wise, but maybe I'm blinded by my preconceived notion of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7387938 - 09/09/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Yer telling me you can't play sports without ego-glorification, monetary and social gain?


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    #7388214 - 09/09/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Who says that the "Yogic" perspective is correct?  Sports can just as soon be an exercise in focus, intention & the union of body and mind as can Yoga.  And Yoga can be, and is, practiced with a competitive spirit and/or for ego glorification.

If the intention is to play, then the game matters little.  :yinyang:


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    #7388309 - 09/09/07 02:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Well, in the context of Gurus, Yoga is pertinent. Whether or not one agrees or disagrees with Yoga philosophy is one's own choice. If one adheres to to model of Prana in a conservative way one might consider the expenditure of energy and breath as a needless reduction of energy to be placed in the service of other attainments. Non-yogis/yoginis need not subscribe to this of course. If one wants to play, [s]he should play.

The many gymnist types who come out with Yoga books are competative and ego-demonstrative. They can master asanas, but do so with the mentality of a gymnist's physical prowess, not with a grasp of the inner attitude that the outer form represents in the context of Hatha Yoga. I agree with you about ego involvement. People can compete in asceticism, practice masochistic (ego-pleasuring) humiliation in place of simple humility and generally become very proud of their humility. The ego is the subtle and crafty serpent that must be pinned down.



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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Veritas]
    #7388330 - 09/09/07 02:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
He's a little pudgy, but he doesn't look too bad.




Tough to tell with all those layers of robes.  :grin:

Hey, why don't we see any photos of gurus playing football?  Or tennis, or racquetball (;))?  How about lifting weights?  We see the yogis doing yoga, but rarely are we presented with a spiritual role model who is also fit and active.




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    #7389369 - 09/09/07 07:20 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Sports are a waste of energy from a Yogic perspective. Moreover, the competative mentality for ego-glorification, monetary and social gain is contrary to the essence of Yoga philosophy.

More often we see someone like Chogyam Trungpa with the exalted title Rinpoche, who swilled saki, smoked cigarettes and hit on married women. He wrote great books, although I tend to question the value certain ideas like "Vajra pride," (which differs from ordinary pride only by its pathological self-importance). Trungpa's 'followers' would rationalize all of his gross habits with sayings about "crazy wisdom" and how the rest of us unenlightened monkeys hold false preconceptions about what compassion and wisdom are like. He had a couple of his followers cut off Bhagwan Dass's long dreadlocks at Naropa while he was passed out in a drunken stupor. I don't see this as being very compassionate or very wise, but maybe I'm blinded by my preconceived notion of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."




I gave up the idea of enlightened masters some time ago. I had my eyes open enough to see all the feet of clay being revealed. Unfortunately the whole thing may be a suckers game. It's so much better to try and figure out life for yourself using whatever you can try out and practice. But again unfortunately the majority of humans have not been taught to think for themselves or trust themselves in any arena of life.


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7389393 - 09/09/07 07:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Yer telling me you can't play sports without ego-glorification, monetary and social gain?




You'd have to be an enlightened Master to do it.


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    #7389612 - 09/09/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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"Perhaps those masters are just indulging in being masters," don Juan said without looking at me. "I'm not a master. I'm only a warrior, so I really don't know what a master feels like."


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    #7389786 - 09/09/07 09:13 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Perhaps those warriors are just indulging in being warriors. ~ Swami


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    #7389933 - 09/09/07 09:57 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

i think all these spiritual people are fat because they are filled with knowledge lol....and also playing sports i think can never be for monetary because to actually become good enough at a sport to be paid for it you have to put in hours of very tough practice and to do this their has to be some kind of love for the sport, as for ego-glorification and social gain i cant say much about because their is no way i can prove this wrong but i do know that many people went to go do yoga because alot of celebrities were doing it and it was the "hip" thing to do at the times so you can say that these two descriptions you applied to people who play sports can also be applied to people who do yoga..thats my two cents lol


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    #7389964 - 09/09/07 10:06 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Yer telling me you can't play sports without ego-glorification, monetary and social gain?




You'd have to be an enlightened Master to do it.




Playing sports seems a lot more fun than this enlightened Master business. (And from what I've read in this thread, these "masters" don't seem too light at all!) Besides, rolling around in ackward positions can be just as ego-glorifying as any other physical activity - perhaps more so.


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    #7390784 - 09/10/07 04:43 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

That is definitely the case.


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    #7392356 - 09/10/07 03:22 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Yer telling me you can't play sports without ego-glorification, monetary and social gain?




You'd have to be an enlightened Master to do it.






Playing sports seems a lot more fun than this enlightened Master business. (And from what I've read in this thread, these "masters" don't seem too light at all!) Besides, rolling around in ackward positions can be just as ego-glorifying as any other physical activity - perhaps more so.




I agree. My reply was a joke that no one seemed to get.


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    #7392367 - 09/10/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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My reply was a joke that no one seemed to get.





Lamented the unsuccesful stand-up comic. :hissyfit:

Sounds like victim mentality to me. It is the crowds' fault he is not funny.


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    #7392465 - 09/10/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Having a bad day?

You're making so much of this. I'm not mad or surprised no one got it. But I did need to explain it to Mush.


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    #7392789 - 09/10/07 05:10 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Ah, now again it was a joke...
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