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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: UnderTheRose]
    #3108205 - 09/08/04 03:24 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

It's funny how people tend to make a lot of assumptions into what people say and go off, not realizing that they are continuing to build further and further on those initial assumptions, never realizing that those assumptions definitely could be off... which means they keep drifing further and further from reality.

Never did I deny any reality of anything that doesn't fit my prefered notion of what tripping, or anything, is about - my own views allow for every perspective and consciously seek every perspective out. The notion you propose of me denying the possibility because I find it *uncomfortable* is definitely amusing me right about now. Not everyone is controlled by addictions to security - fear. The thought itself of elephant masters that control us definitely makes me laugh, as I find said thought absurd, not in any way uncomfortable. Oh, it could definitely be possible.. but if my master ever showed up, I am afraid I'd be laughing too hard to be able to perform slave work for him. :lol:

I personally receive an advanced here and now state of being when on mushrooms, although I haven't tripped recently, since I have really advanced my understanding and have done a lot of needed mental work to allow me to more openly live in the now... I am very interested in finding out what my next trip has in store for me. If it is alien, elephant slave drivers, I'll kick their ass, so I can get on with my seeking personal growth and furthering insight and understanding, working closer to being able to achieve those higher levels of consciousness, or intensely developing further my relationship with my girlfriend, or perhaps expanding my musikk pursuits... or maybe even just enjoying the thrill that is movement, or watching fish swim, or drinking orange juice and listening to Shpongle, or squeezing cheesey hashbrowns (that's always fun!)... even just focusing on my breathing or silence...  :grin:

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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: UnderTheRose]
    #3108222 - 09/08/04 03:27 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

How do masters with trunks in trip land get away with violating free will?

This is a serious question. There is to much baloohey out there about us being slaves and lab rats and under control of non human enities.

Sure, anything is possible, but before I would even begin to consider it without laughing, I would have to hear the best explaination for how they can get away with violating free will to the highest of personal soul levels.

Have you ever considered that your trunk masters are really just a repressed aspect of yourself that YOU are in denial of?

You are new here. Welcome! I will mail you a link to an article called demons and spirit guides. After you read it, you may want to reconsider who these trunked beings are and what their purpose is in your experience.

Look at this from every angle imaginable and question it all!

If you're talking elephant like, I can post an interesting mystical tid bit on elephants and their trunks. They are cool! :wink:


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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: fireworks_god]
    #3108291 - 09/08/04 03:45 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I don?t mean to offend you but i strongly doubt that you will laugh about your master. you see, he is in direct touch with your heartbeat and he won?t hesitate to show you that. believe me, the last thing you will be feeling like is laughing .

As i understand you didn?t quite grasp your relationship to your master: He has complete control over an every thought. As much as this fact is hidden in sober perception as much is it revealed if a master chooses to show himself.

He is at the upper end of the strings. Your are at the lower end.
And as i said - they got their ways of setting your right about this.
As a start , there?s the "let?s make your heart go 180beats/min" and then let it skip a beat here and there, just to make you sweat .

And as long as he is not finished with you, you won?t think about anything different but him - if he wishes so. He simply makes you think only about him and his powers he has over you.


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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: UnderTheRose]
    #3108328 - 09/08/04 03:53 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I've experienced my 'master' as my subconscious during a rather strange night of hypnagogic visions and messages, surprisingly non-drug induced. I can see what you're saying applies to what I was "told" by my subconscious, only you seem to have personified it as well as made it seem like a negative force. I too have personified it by referring to it as my subconscious, but it was the only term I could use to describe the framework of existence that my consciousness is contained within, always, and for that moment I was no longer blind to, as "it" had given me the opportunity to see the driver's seat.

It's a wonderful gift from him to you. This experience of experience is like no other, and it is fed into your infinitely precise awareness by your loving protector and home owner.


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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3108335 - 09/08/04 03:54 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
How do masters with trunks in trip land get away with violating free will?

This is a serious question. There is to much baloohey out there about us being slaves and lab rats and under control of non human enities.





Well, as the masters are at all times the true fathers of our every action/thought i dont?t see what kind of "free will" you are referring to? We - as the slaves - haven?t got anysuch thing as a will of our own - let alone a free will.

I don?t see any logical problem here.
Of course , they do abuse us - that?s what we are for.

As someone said before: Ignorance is bliss.


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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: UnderTheRose]
    #3108365 - 09/08/04 04:02 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

This may give you some insight into your trunk masters in trippy land.


In the Hindu pantheon there is a god known as Ganesh,
who has the form of an elephant. Ganesh is known as
the Dispeller of Illusions. Why? Because when we
awaken to these facts being discussed in this
introductory essay, we come to understand that the
name Ele-phant, is derived from the two words Aleph,
and Phant. Aleph being the feminine principle as
described above, and ?Phant? from the Latin word
Phatasma, which means apparition, ghost like,
essentially non-existent. The elephant is thus
symbolized because of his long trunk, which is indeed
a long resonating tube to activate the pineal gland,
which is of course the seat of the third eye, O?s
Iris, which has been overlaid into dormancy due to the
castrated male and the suppressed female of our
separated and polarized consciousness. The overlay
of the third eye is the illusion created by the
presence in our hologram that the feminine is dead,
evil, to be feared and all the rest of what has been
inculcated into the mind set of modern populations.
It is the fear of matter, of allowing the true
Christos principle into the full embodied form, that
is what is dispelled when the Aleph, the real
beginning, is reunited with the Spirit of the Life
Force that we are.

Another interesting correlation, in terms of language,
is the word Hierophant, which has recently been used
by the system coming forth known as Keylontic Science,
of which we will speak about more in subsequent
writings. Suffice it to say, the Hierophant, in said
system, is used as a primary activating symbol for
their system of embodied structure referred to as
kathara and the Maharic scale. But let?s analyze this
word, shall we? Hiero, when we look at a Latin
dictionary, actually comes from the Latin word for
Jerusalem, which is Hierosolyma. But the
etymological root of the word Jerusalem preceded the
Latin derivative, which is actually derived from ?uru
which means ?to found? and ?Shalem? which is the
Celtic word for Venus, from the same time and place as
the builders of Newgrange when they brought it to the
middle east, via northern France, then through Egypt,
and to the place we now know as Jerusalem. So by
extrapolation, a Hiero-phant is the founding of an
illusion. An Aleph-phant is the symbolism of the
elephant with its long trunk, to recall that we must
reawaken O?s Iris, the third eye, to remember the true
balance and reintegration of our whole consciousness
of male and female combined as one, of the primal
mother principle receiving the implantation of the
seeding of the Christos into our incarnated forms, our
bodies. It is for this reason that December 21st was
identified as the birthing date of the Christ, a nine
month gestation period after the spring equinox when
the virgin mother, the new earth, is furrowed anew in
order to plant the seeds and fructify the harvest to
come.


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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: UnderTheRose]
    #3108368 - 09/08/04 04:03 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I think what you're referring to is the higher self - that ever present 'you' that sits about from afar playing out the various scenarios that create our existance

'you' are not the puppet though - you're the puppeteer...the master that controls 'your' bodily movements/thought processes/etc





stop focusing on the physical relm, and start viewing yourself through the eyes of the 'master'

this simple change of perspective makes for a world of difference  :thumbup:



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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: Muppet]
    #3108494 - 09/08/04 04:38 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Short answer:
I don?t agree. I have to endure the pain, i have to endure this neverending attack (that?s what life really is, when one correctly views oneself as the helpless actor, frozen in preset spacetime)
When it?s all over i may gain unity with my master but until then i am his slave. Anything else is deluding yourself.
Currently i am NOT standing outside but i?m helplessly being fed a stream of consciousness i am unable to stop or get out of the way of.
It?s like being force-fed food: sometimes it may be pleasure but at other times you?d rather die than eat the stuff being served.
This reminds of that Simpsons-scene :
Homer in hell bound to a chair and he get force-fed donuts, one
after the other , without interruption.


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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: UnderTheRose]
    #3108509 - 09/08/04 04:41 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Just release.


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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: UnderTheRose]
    #3108624 - 09/08/04 05:07 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

What the good people of S7P are sharing with you is the understanding that once you realise yourself as your own master and your own puppeteer YOU WILL BE FREE.

In the mean time, if you believe yourself to be separate from them and beleive they have more power then you, you will be in fear of them and YES you will get your ass pummelled by the power of your own fear which you are giving away to 'archetypes" being used against you until you figure this out.

The process isn't manevolent. It is designed to bring your human self into full soul integration, mastery and soverignity. It's not given to you, you have to earn it.

You use your free will to do this. If you are not making decisions with your own free will for yourself then, hell yes, rest assured someone or something will use it for you and it will be to beat you over the head with it to knock some sense into you.

The choice is yours and always has been, be a puppet or a slave or be your own puppeteer and master. If you choose the first, I don't know how much support you'll get in that choice. It's for the weak willed.

Get out from under the rose and be the rose and the ground and the root in the ground and the water and the sun and the nutrients and the women who comes to clip you for her indoor arrangments and the guest who enjoys you in the vase and goes on to plant their own rose garden and so on and so on. It's ALL YOU!

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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3108636 - 09/08/04 05:10 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Very good advice :smile:


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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3109891 - 09/08/04 09:18 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

"once you realise yourself as your own master and your own puppeteer YOU WILL BE FREE"

That one was really nice...


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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3117718 - 09/10/04 09:49 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I guess you do not know what being "under the rose" refers to, am i right?


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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: UnderTheRose]
    #3117948 - 09/10/04 12:10 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

Did the trunk master tell you not to "divulge their secrets" or else?

Why you chose that name has it's own meaning to me and that is to say you are living in fear. I wrote what I did to help empower you over your fears.

Please don't think people writing to you here who are acting to better empower you over your trunk masters havn't already been through the process of facing their "inner masters and demons" and have overcome them.

It's not to say that the illusion of them isn't a real experience for you. It's to say that it is an illusion that seems real until you overcome it and it can be overcome and mastered.

It's your choice, all we can do is let you know that you have more choices here.

What did using the name under the rose mean to you? Are you a KISS fan? Have you taken the oath to live your life to the full?


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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3119373 - 09/10/04 06:20 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I like the KISS album "the elder" but that?s it.

A very relevant song for all of you interested in the loop is
Lizzy Burdon?s "Under The Rose" (Album: Master Of Disguise)

I urge you to listen to it. It captures the loop-mistery in a very sophisticated way.

I feel like i want to be possessed by a mean female which hates me.


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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3119392 - 09/10/04 06:27 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

"once you realise yourself as your own master and your own puppeteer YOU WILL BE FREE"

And let Swami be your humble guide to that wonderful realization!  :tongue2:


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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: Swami]
    #3120343 - 09/10/04 11:01 PM (17 years, 1 month ago)

I agree with most of what you say, but I do feel that spiritual influence has a role to play in the lives of many. It is a subtle thing that can have a profound effect. The idea of the "master" is repulsive to me. I have followed advice before, but I never wholly give my thought over to the care of another. I take full responsibility for who and what I am and the actions that I carry out.


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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3120819 - 09/11/04 12:53 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

HOLY SHIT! undertherose, you appear to be the most fucked up person i've seen post on this board. congradulations.


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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: Swami]
    #3120849 - 09/11/04 01:04 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

There are no masters, but the Deming Method? points us in the direction of continuous quality improvement and instructs us that teachers can be found at all points in the production line.


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Re: Ancient Master / Modern Master [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3121166 - 09/11/04 03:01 AM (17 years, 1 month ago)

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Master of what? What are all of these "masters" masters of anyway?

My daughtered mastered toilet training a bit back ooooooooh ahhhhhhhhh

Do people question this masters crap? What does it really mean? I'm with Zero7a1 here. Question authority and "masters" .





I must interject here about an earlier post (from the first page).  Feel free to ignore me. :smile:

These masters are masters of Zen, or Ch'an, to be more anal-retentive, as most of the ancient koans and stories are of Chinese masters.
Master is not a term that Zen masters self-apply.
They are known generally as sensei (teacher) or roshi (old teacher).
Master is a term used by their students and others in respect for their deep, clear insight into the Buddha-nature, as seen through their actions, and their unyielding determination to strive further toward enlightenment as shown by their years of study, labor, and meditation.
It is true that no man has a master but this assertion that "masters" must be full of ego is (surprise) ego pretending to be not-ego. Examine your mind more closely in quiet meditation, and I shall do so with my own. :wink:


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