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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Veritas]
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Sports are a waste of energy from a Yogic perspective. Moreover, the competative mentality for ego-glorification, monetary and social gain is contrary to the essence of Yoga philosophy.

More often we see someone like Chogyam Trungpa with the exalted title Rinpoche, who swilled saki, smoked cigarettes and hit on married women. He wrote great books, although I tend to question the value certain ideas like "Vajra pride," (which differs from ordinary pride only by its pathological self-importance). Trungpa's 'followers' would rationalize all of his gross habits with sayings about "crazy wisdom" and how the rest of us unenlightened monkeys hold false preconceptions about what compassion and wisdom are like. He had a couple of his followers cut off Bhagwan Dass's long dreadlocks at Naropa while he was passed out in a drunken stupor. I don't see this as being very compassionate or very wise, but maybe I'm blinded by my preconceived notion of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Yer telling me you can't play sports without ego-glorification, monetary and social gain?

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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Who says that the "Yogic" perspective is correct?  Sports can just as soon be an exercise in focus, intention & the union of body and mind as can Yoga.  And Yoga can be, and is, practiced with a competitive spirit and/or for ego glorification.

If the intention is to play, then the game matters little.  :yinyang:

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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Veritas]
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Well, in the context of Gurus, Yoga is pertinent. Whether or not one agrees or disagrees with Yoga philosophy is one's own choice. If one adheres to to model of Prana in a conservative way one might consider the expenditure of energy and breath as a needless reduction of energy to be placed in the service of other attainments. Non-yogis/yoginis need not subscribe to this of course. If one wants to play, [s]he should play.

The many gymnist types who come out with Yoga books are competative and ego-demonstrative. They can master asanas, but do so with the mentality of a gymnist's physical prowess, not with a grasp of the inner attitude that the outer form represents in the context of Hatha Yoga. I agree with you about ego involvement. People can compete in asceticism, practice masochistic (ego-pleasuring) humiliation in place of simple humility and generally become very proud of their humility. The ego is the subtle and crafty serpent that must be pinned down.



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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Veritas]
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Veritas said:
Huehuecoyotl said:
He's a little pudgy, but he doesn't look too bad.


Tough to tell with all those layers of robes.  :grin:

Hey, why don't we see any photos of gurus playing football?  Or tennis, or racquetball (;))?  How about lifting weights?  We see the yogis doing yoga, but rarely are we presented with a spiritual role model who is also fit and active.


*Lifts drowsy head from keyboard*

W-what? Did I read correctly?


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said:
Sports are a waste of energy from a Yogic perspective. Moreover, the competative mentality for ego-glorification, monetary and social gain is contrary to the essence of Yoga philosophy.

More often we see someone like Chogyam Trungpa with the exalted title Rinpoche, who swilled saki, smoked cigarettes and hit on married women. He wrote great books, although I tend to question the value certain ideas like "Vajra pride," (which differs from ordinary pride only by its pathological self-importance). Trungpa's 'followers' would rationalize all of his gross habits with sayings about "crazy wisdom" and how the rest of us unenlightened monkeys hold false preconceptions about what compassion and wisdom are like. He had a couple of his followers cut off Bhagwan Dass's long dreadlocks at Naropa while he was passed out in a drunken stupor. I don't see this as being very compassionate or very wise, but maybe I'm blinded by my preconceived notion of "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."


I gave up the idea of enlightened masters some time ago. I had my eyes open enough to see all the feet of clay being revealed. Unfortunately the whole thing may be a suckers game. It's so much better to try and figure out life for yourself using whatever you can try out and practice. But again unfortunately the majority of humans have not been taught to think for themselves or trust themselves in any arena of life.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

Edited by Icelander (09/09/07 07:20 PM)

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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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MushmanTheManic said:
Yer telling me you can't play sports without ego-glorification, monetary and social gain?


You'd have to be an enlightened Master to do it.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Icelander]
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"Perhaps those masters are just indulging in being masters," don Juan said without looking at me. "I'm not a master. I'm only a warrior, so I really don't know what a master feels like."

-- Carlos Castaneda


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Perhaps those warriors are just indulging in being warriors. ~ Swami


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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i think all these spiritual people are fat because they are filled with knowledge lol....and also playing sports i think can never be for monetary because to actually become good enough at a sport to be paid for it you have to put in hours of very tough practice and to do this their has to be some kind of love for the sport, as for ego-glorification and social gain i cant say much about because their is no way i can prove this wrong but i do know that many people went to go do yoga because alot of celebrities were doing it and it was the "hip" thing to do at the times so you can say that these two descriptions you applied to people who play sports can also be applied to people who do yoga..thats my two cents lol

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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
MushmanTheManic said:
Yer telling me you can't play sports without ego-glorification, monetary and social gain?


You'd have to be an enlightened Master to do it.


Playing sports seems a lot more fun than this enlightened Master business. (And from what I've read in this thread, these "masters" don't seem too light at all!) Besides, rolling around in ackward positions can be just as ego-glorifying as any other physical activity - perhaps more so.

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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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That is definitely the case.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: MushmanTheManic]
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MushmanTheManic said:
Icelander said:
MushmanTheManic said:
Yer telling me you can't play sports without ego-glorification, monetary and social gain?


You'd have to be an enlightened Master to do it.




Playing sports seems a lot more fun than this enlightened Master business. (And from what I've read in this thread, these "masters" don't seem too light at all!) Besides, rolling around in ackward positions can be just as ego-glorifying as any other physical activity - perhaps more so.


I agree. My reply was a joke that no one seemed to get.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Icelander]
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My reply was a joke that no one seemed to get.



Lamented the unsuccesful stand-up comic. :hissyfit:

Sounds like victim mentality to me. It is the crowds' fault he is not funny.


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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Having a bad day?

You're making so much of this. I'm not mad or surprised no one got it. But I did need to explain it to Mush.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: How Come So Many Spiritual Masters are Fat Asses [Re: Icelander]
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Ah, now again it was a joke...
sure
:sunny:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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