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Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling
    #7317240 - 08/21/07 11:51 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Let us assume that several Enlightened Masters have walked the earth. Let us also assume that each one could have fully opened the eyes of at least two disciples in a span of thirty or so years so that the disciples themselves became Enlightened Masters.

If an Enlightened Master could not open the eyes of at least two other people then I would postulate that he/she totally sucked as a Master and should have his/her certificate revoked.

In the short span of a few thousand years due to the the Law of Doubling, the entire world would become enlightened, wars would cease and peace would reign on our planet and it would be the dawning of the Age of Aquarius.

However, as the maturity level of mankind seems to have been unaffected since we first made fire, I think it reasonable to assume that no Enlightened Masters have ever existed or they existed and were unable to transmit any useful knowledge.

Case closed. (Sorry Hue.)


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7317267 - 08/21/07 11:58 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Yep.


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7317269 - 08/21/07 11:59 AM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Perhaps enlightenment cannot be "transmitted." :shrug:

IMO, if enlightenment is possible, it is not a permanent state one attains, but more of a flickering illumination that blinks out after a brief period.  Any effective method of enlightenment would be geared towards lengthening this period of illumination, and increasing awareness of the habits which extinguish it again.


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: Veritas]
    #7317356 - 08/21/07 12:31 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Perhaps enlightenment cannot be "transmitted."




I stated that was a possibility. If this IS the case, then we can dispense with ALL religion, gurus, swamis (sorry, Swami), spiritual books, seminars, camps, ashrams, monasteries, churches, temples, synagogues, televangelistas, and priest-altar boy sex.

Now, who wants to be initiated?


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7317361 - 08/21/07 12:32 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Initiated? Will this involve wooden paddles and heavy drinking?


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: Veritas]
    #7317381 - 08/21/07 12:40 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Can't tell you ahead of time (however, be sure to bring a jar of mayonnaise, some flippers and a squirt gun). Are you in or out?


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7317396 - 08/21/07 12:46 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

You mean in and out don't you.


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7317403 - 08/21/07 12:50 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I'll check my schedule & get back to you. :rolleyes:  :lol:


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: Veritas]
    #7317413 - 08/21/07 12:53 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Don't worry, I'll watch the kids.:monkeydance:


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7317522 - 08/21/07 01:21 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Perhaps enlightenment cannot be "transmitted."




I stated that was a possibility. If this IS the case, then we can dispense with ALL religion, gurus, swamis (sorry, Swami), spiritual books, seminars, camps, ashrams, monasteries, churches, temples, synagogues, televangelistas, and priest-altar boy sex.

Now, who wants to be initiated?




I believe this is the case. But I believe you misunderstand the process. The things you listed are tools used in the process of attaining self-realization. They are not the direct transmission of enlightenment. Just because someone hands you a pen and a piece of paper, doesn't mean your homework is completed. It means you now have the tools to complete it yourself. Nobody else can do it for you, and this is why it cannot be transmitted.


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7317542 - 08/21/07 01:25 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Well that makes sense except for the fact that we do not know if there is such a thing as "enlightenment". Can you honestly say you have ever met an enlightened being? And if you say you have how did you determine this, not being enlightened yourself?


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: Icelander]
    #7317563 - 08/21/07 01:32 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

Dudely, it is like the Mayan Calendar and 2012 - it is 'common' knowledge. :rolleyes:


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: Icelander]
    #7317573 - 08/21/07 01:34 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Well that makes sense except for the fact that we do not know if there is such a thing as "enlightenment". Can you honestly say you have ever met an enlightened being? And if you say you have how did you determine this, not being enlightened yourself?




I don't think there is a final enlightened state. I think there are degrees to enlightenment, meaning that I think some people not only have obtained certain philosophical knowledge, but they have also realized this knowledge to the point where they have indeed destroyed any existential anxiety within themselves. I have met one person who I felt had reached this point.

Again, like I said in another thread, it doesn't matter. Sometimes, the people in the "dream of everyday life" aka the unaware, live life more fully than those who have become aware, because those who become aware spend a lot of time trying to rid themselves of the anxiety they took upon by becoming aware. Then, guess what, when they rid themselves of it, they return full circle back to the "dream of everyday life" style, but aware. Is the journey even neccessary? I don't know, and don't really care. I say we need to get back to basics, and just enjoy life.

EDIT: What I meant to type and forgot was that I don't think the term "enlightenment" is even neccessary. It describes the path, the only path, and that path is life. We are all enlightened, but some to a higher degree. We are all living life, some in a more fullfilling fashion. But regardless, we are all living life.


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    #7317894 - 08/21/07 03:20 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: jonathanseagull]
    #7318037 - 08/21/07 04:10 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

I agree.:thumbup: Good post.


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: soulcircus]
    #7318042 - 08/21/07 04:12 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Well that makes sense except for the fact that we do not know if there is such a thing as "enlightenment". Can you honestly say you have ever met an enlightened being? And if you say you have how did you determine this, not being enlightened yourself?






not calling anything enlightenment...
but, don't we have the potential to be completely truthful and accepting of ourselves?





From all available evidence I would have to guess, NO.


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7318463 - 08/21/07 06:00 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

The Buddha never said he was 'enlightened', only that he was 'awake'. Even if there are teachers who are awake, that does not mean that everyone is going to want to wake up just like him/her. For example, the Buddha had serious thoughts about not teaching as he thought no one would be receptive to the truths he had awakened too. How naive to think that just because someone awakens, everyone else will want to do the same thing. Its not easy like flipping a light switch, the path to awakening is very difficult and requires a lot of perseverance, dedication. Its not for everyone thats for sure. All of this is why alot of people including myself are not awakened yet.


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: Sinbad]
    #7318738 - 08/21/07 07:19 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::monkeydance:


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: Sinbad]
    #7318765 - 08/21/07 07:31 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

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The Buddha never said he was 'enlightened', only that he was 'awake'.




The Buddha spoke English? Nope. His exact words were recorded? Nope. You are just making shit up.

There are awesome tennis players and engineers and musicians etc. today because of modelling and handed down knowledge.

How different would the world be today if no masters had lived besides having fewer smug clubs to belong to? (Hint: A difference that makes no difference IS no difference.)


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Re: Spiritual Masters and the Law of Doubling [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7318784 - 08/21/07 07:38 PM (14 years, 2 months ago)

The Buddha spoke English? Nope.

Were you there? Nope. So you don't really know whether he spoke English or not do you? You are just making all that shit up.:lol:


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