HagbardCeline said:

FoolOfElysium said:

HagbardCeline said:

FoolOfElysium said:

Kirk was pronounced dead a short while ago. It's a dark day for America, regardless of how you felt about him. And for the record, you won't see billions of dollars of property damage like when George Floyd died because MAGA isn't full of a bunch of fucking unhinged lunatics that want to see their political opponents die in cold blood just for having an opinion.

---

Surely you jest. Sarcasm? You mean the lifeforms that came to the Capitol on January 6th with fucking gallows? That have repeatedly called for Soros, Clinton (both), Pelosi (both), Biden, and Harris and many more to hang or otherwise die gruesome deaths. Hell, even Pence who mostly shares their views.

Even if there aren't riots, that claim of yours will surely go down in Shroomery history as one of the most dishonest, cringiest we are likely to ever see.

And for the record, I despised Charlie Kirk but this was wrong and sad and regrettable. Despite his own disdain for empathy, I'm still exercising it for his family.

---

People opposing him wanted Charlie Kirk dead because he was *effective* at exercising his 1st amendment right and was good at recruiting young people to his cause. Those crying for his death were big-mad because he was a master with his words. Like him or hate him, he wielded speech the way some of the best swordmasters wielded a blade. He turned a small grassroots movement into a national phenomena putting in a backbreaking amount of work. The amount of people he managed to get behind him is proof he was effective. It's worthy of respect, even if you oppose him. You can't win the political war if you don't respect the talent of those that oppose you. (Which is why the left is getting absolutely decimated right now. They fail to recognize the talent in their "villains")


So I ask you the same thing. Surely you jest? You're really comparing Soros, Clinton (both), Pelosi (both), Biden, and Harris, etc... to KIRK?

These politicians have actual blood on their hands. Charlie Kirk just opens his mouth and speaks. They are *light years* apart.

---

First, Soros is not a politician, so you have no attributable blood, and he is essentially an analogue of Kirk (they are both influencers) just more well-funded. Second, neither is Pelosi's husband. Third, it's also unlikely that you can place uncontestable blame on Mrs. Clinton or Mrs. Harris given their positions. Fourth, YOU are the one who made the claim, "their political opponents", which includes politicians, so don't try hitting the ball back to me because you failed in your "art of writing" that you claim to wield well. Fifth, it doesn't matter that they were politicians anyway unless you want to additionally claim that would justify political violence - unlikely, as it would contradict all of the other things you just wrote about the vileness of those celebrating his death (a sentiment I concur with).

Sixth, I'm surprised you would even attempt to counter my statement with this point about poor comparisons that are " *light years* apart" (which you weirdly still failed with as underscored above) because that opens you to the same claim (actually you were open to this from the beginning, I was just distracted with the absurdity of your MAGA claim). An assassination carried out by a lone psycho is not comparable to a string of wholly unjustified killings of a certain ethnicity by state sponsored thugs who are only extremely rarely held accountable. When your own government continues to kill your people in circumstances where there was ZERO threat (often incapable of posing a threat because they were already cuffed), by the very institution tasked with their protection no less, and no justice comes despite your cries and requests and pleas, when the pressure keeps growing an outburst is inevitable. If hundreds of your MAGA mouthpieces get murdered over the next 50 years and no one goes to jail, then you can make the comparison and not look stupid.

Do you really think you are a good writer, a speaker accomplished in weaving words well, and a person making well-reasoned claims? Just me, I don't see it.

---

Seriously_trippin said:

He will become a martyr for the right. The reaction from the left will be pointed to as vindication for their demonization of us. Absolutely no one wins today. And it will only make our civil discourse even more chaotic.

The guy who tried to kill trump only succeeded in guaranteeing his reelection and making him a martyr to his base.

If Reagan wasnt shot we may have had president mondale but we will never know now.

---

Enlil said:

Everyone makes the world a worse place for some and better place for others.  That's the nature of being human.  We all deserve to die.

---

dinosaurs said:

reasonable enough to me. 

Seriously_trippin said:

It makes me sick to my stomach thinking people are jumping for joy and popping champagne bottles at the notion of someone being murdered.

---

this reminds me though, I think a business of selling a decent wine/champagne/etc branded around "yay trumps dead" would do really well.  a lot of people have bottles set aside for the day he gets his big mac attack.  maybe a little wooden box and everything.

---

FoolOfElysium said:

Kirk was pronounced dead a short while ago. It's a dark day for America, regardless of how you felt about him. And for the record, you won't see billions of dollars of property damage like when George Floyd died because MAGA isn't full of a bunch of fucking unhinged lunatics that want to see their political opponents die in cold blood just for having an opinion.

---

Enlil said:

Tbh, I can't even begin to understand how one sees death as a punishment, but I guess that's your perspective.

---

dinosaurs said:

Seriously_trippin said:

He will become a martyr for the right. The reaction from the left will be pointed to as vindication for their demonization of us. Absolutely no one wins today. And it will only make our civil discourse even more chaotic.

The guy who tried to kill trump only succeeded in guaranteeing his reelection and making him a martyr to his base.

If Reagan wasnt shot we may have had president mondale but we will never know now.

---

I understand your concern but they've been just flat out lying and making shit up for a while.  remember a bit ago when the supreme court ruled 9-0 against trump and he just turned around and told everyone that they ruled 9-0 in his favor?  or when the two dem politicians in MN were shot and afaik trump never even mentioned it, let alone ordered flags flown at half mast?  my point here is that whatever they want to do they are doing already or will do and they aren't waiting around for convenient shit as means of justification because they can just flat out lie.

---

SARAtonin said:

Seriously_trippin said:

Again I didnt say you had to grieve for him but what it e seen all day is people rejoicing that hes dead because they hate him. As long as you're not happy he was murdered thats all I was getting at. A reaction of joy for someone you dont like being murdered is just sick. Thats all I was saying and im glad at least in this thread people are starting to say, I fucking hated him, I hate what he was saying im not going to grieve for him personally but im not going to rejoice over his murder is all I wanted to see.

It makes me sick to my stomach thinking people are jumping for joy and popping champagne bottles at the notion of someone being murdered. Unless it was fucking Hitler or Kim Jong Un actual mass murderers or violent criminals we as a society should never rejoice a murder.

---

---

Enlil said:

Tbh, I can't even begin to understand how one sees death as a punishment, but I guess that's your perspective.

---

Envix said:

alleged transcript of the interview question leading up to the shooting:

Quote:

Kirk was being asked questions about mass shootings in America.

"Do you know how many mass shootings there have been in America in the last 10 years?" a person asks.

"Here's what Charlie responds with." Counting or not counting gang violence",

and then he gets shot.

---

---

FoolOfElysium said:

You're comparing someone who simply exercises their 1st amendment rights to people who have had REAL political power in this country and have done illegal things with it. Soros works in the shadows and everyone knows he is an evil man, while kirk is front and center with nothing hidden. They are not the same.

The Pelosi's are lazy ass reptilian slime that made all their money off of insider trading, Kirk built Turning Point from the ground up, starting with nothing.

All the people you mentioned have participated in TRULY evil acts against humanity, not just speaking words and letting the chips fall. I still have no idea how you think you can get away with comparing them.

---

I love how you ignored all of my utterly obliterating points and just double down on your same, tired and wrong contention. Truly, you are a wordsmith.

I am not surprised that you have no idea how I think as you embody your namesake. FFS I figuratively spelled it out for you. You started with an unjustifiable comparison. You made the claim of political components. You made no exceptions for politicians. You were wrong.

It's wild that you want to die on this hill after setting the criteria and attempting a comparison of vastly different circumstances though, and that's something to someone. Probably. Not me though. I feel embarrassed for you. Hell, Kirk probably feels embarrassed for you even now. But, sure, tell us more about how imagined catalysts for civil unrest aren't poorly contrasted despite them being proof of something you claim to not exist. I get trying to save face after I thoroughly embarrassed you, but you are just embarrassing yourself more and more here kid. Know when you have been bested and walk away.

FoolOfElysium said:

Enlil said:

Tbh, I can't even begin to understand how one sees death as a punishment, but I guess that's your perspective.

---

I presume you're not about to go off yourself... so while you cling to your mortality like I do, I recommend trying to be a bit more honest about how valuable you perceive it. I don't pretend death is a nothing-burger to me. it's a damn shame we don't get more time to be mortal and our bodies start to break down just as we start to make sense of this shit down here.

---

Seriously_trippin said:

feevers said:

Are you honestly going to tell me that he doesn't (didn't) have one of the most shootable faces imaginable though?

There's no way they were aiming for the neck

---

You're better than this. Youre essentially saying the kid that kids bullied at school has a punchable face so its totally fine that the bullies punched him in the face.

Ive had a pit in my stomach all day today seeing the absolute lack of humanity across the internet.

---