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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Synack]
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Henry Swanson]
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This forum post offers a detailed guide on streaking spore prints and syringes for clean cultivation. Key points include:

1. Spores and syringes often carry contaminants, so cleaning is essential before inoculating grain or LCs.
2. Germinating spores on agar before using them reduces contamination risks.
3. Streaking techniques involve using a sterile loop to spread spores thinly across agar, creating zones with varying concentrations. This method helps isolate pure strains and obtain isolates more quickly than using blobs of spores.
4. The T-Streak method is recommended for beginners, involving a three-phase zigzag pattern on the agar plate.
5. When using a spore syringe or LC, avoid adding liquid to the plate to maintain the streaking pattern.
6. The author shares their simplified streaking technique and invites feedback and additional tips.

The post emphasizes the importance of cleanliness and efficient spore handling for successful cultivation.

Henry Swanson said:
This is an exerpt from the post I linked. It's worked well for me, which is why I was sharing. Different strokes (no pun intended) for different folks :toast:

c10h12n2o said:
Working with Spores:

since we fruit in open air, we can assume that spores are dirty. if someone sends you a spore print, you can assume it is going to have contams on it in addition to the spores you want to cultivate. this does not mean you got a bad print, it means you got a NORMAL print. the same thing applies to syringes. for this reason, when inoculating something with spores, it is a good idea to use as little as possible, since we only need a few spores and the more solution/spores we use, the more contams will be present as well. i recommend people never putting spores directly to grain, since it is so easy to culture the contams

a sterile jar of grain is basically the microbiological jackpot for anything that can digest it (fungi, bacteria, etc), so we need to take care to reduce the chances of culturing the wrong microorganisms. basically, ALWAYS germinate your spores first on agar before applying them to grain/lc/etc.

by using streaking techniques, you can easily clean up even the dirtiest of prints or spore syringes. you basically are using a loop to spread spores VERY thin across the surface of agar, creating various zones with different concentrations of spores. this is extremely useful for cleaning up a print, since you spread the contams thin while you spread the spores. this is also a great way to obtain isolates about 100 transfers sooner than you would get from a blob of spores, since the later zones have very few strains present in each colony. by doing one of these serial dilution style streaks, you end up with hundreds of colonies to choose from, of various genetic diversity, which gives you lots of chances to select a vigorous, organized culture

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In microbiology, streaking is a technique used to isolate a pure strain from a single species of microorganism, often bacteria(fungi in our case). Samples can then be taken from the resulting colonies and a microbiological culture can be grown on a new plate so that the organism can be identified, studied, or tested.

Streaking is rapid and ideally a simple process of isolation dilution. The technique is done by diluting a comparatively large concentration of bacteria to a smaller concentration. The decrease of bacteria should show that colonies are sufficiently spread apart to effect the separation of the different types of microbes. Streaking is done using a sterile tool, such as a cotton swab or commonly an inoculation loop. Aseptic techniques are used to maintain microbiological cultures and to prevent contamination of the growth medium.There are many different types of methods used to streak a plate. Picking a technique is a matter of individual preference and can also depend on how large the number of microbes the sample contains.

The three-phase streaking pattern, known as the T-Streak, is recommended for beginners.The streaking is done using a sterile tool, such as a cotton swab or commonly an inoculation loop. The inoculation loop is first sterilized by passing it through a flame. When the loop is cool, it is dipped into an inoculum such as a broth or patient specimen containing many species of bacteria. The inoculation loop is then dragged across the surface of the agar back and forth in a zigzag motion until approximately 30% of the plate has been covered. The loop then is re-sterilized and the plate is turned 90 degrees. Starting in the previously streaked section, the loop is dragged through it two to three times continuing the zigzag pattern. The procedure is then repeated once more being cautious to not touch the previously streaked sectors. Each time the loop gathers fewer and fewer bacteria until it gathers just single bacterial cells that can grow into a colony.The plate should show the heaviest growth in the first section. The second section will have less growth and a few isolated colonies, while the final section will have the least amount of growth and many isolated colonies.




examples of streaked plates. different labs use different standards for streaking. colonies thin as the dish rotates counter clockwise


the way i like to do it is very similar to what is described above. basically, take your loop (bod's DIY loop tek) and scrape off a small amount of spores from a print (or drip a drop from a syringe directly onto the loop) and streak a side of the plate like below. then flame the loop again, DONT SCRAPE MORE SPORES, rotate the dish, and drag the loop from the area you streaked previously to streak zone 2, then flame and repeat

this is the streaking technique i like to use. it is tremendously handy for cleaning up spore prints, isolation projects, and even cleaning up old LCs


if you are using a spore syringe as your starting point (or a LC you are trying to refresh), you want to be super careful not to add any additional liquid to the plate, otherwise it will roll around and distort the streaking pattern. so make sure you dont drip over the plate, you shouldnt be putting any more liquid into the plate than what sticks to the loop

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so that is pretty much it!! a bit lengthy, but i think i covered most of what i wanted to cover for my post #1000. please let me know if yall have any questions or need clarification about anything :smile:

i also welcome any additional tips & tricks, feedback, criticism, discussion, debate, haters (:kiss:), or critical thinking :wink:

thanks everyone for everything yall have done to make this place such an incredible resource. im so grateful to live in an age where there is an online community to collaborate with on our hobbies :smile:

warm regards,
c10






For sure. I use this technique as well and also link it to lots of people.

I actually was just telling Gilmour Hendrix about it the other day. Lol

Somtimes i just  like simplify it and just do the zigzag down the middle just cuz that the other way  you show is a tiny bit more complicated.

You've got to torch the Loop multiple times and remove the dish lid multiple times if you're not working in flow. Not so much noob friendly I guess.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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I'll be sure to put streaking into practice going forward. I spaced it or didn't think it was necessary or got in a rush or (insert bullshit excuse for failure here). Gotta slow 'er down. Rome wasn't built from hay.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: leproos]
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leproos said:

The fluffy white at the bottom of the stems are pretty big is that normal or what does it say?



Fuzzy feet could just be genetics or the humidity is a little to high, nothing to worry about though. If it keeps climbing the stipe increase FAE.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Gilmour Hendrix] * 1
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qq I ever tell you guys I dont believe in streaking?

yeah i think its not actually helpful in this hobby.  i mean why reduce the genetic material to work with? i think its pointless in our circumstsnce and doesnt accomplish anything a few transfers couldnt anyway.  its just fancy. 

i mean read anyones process and theyll explain how its done and at the most theyll explain how it helps dilute and isolate cultures.  but why?  WHY do we want that?

i want to go to fruit with as much genetic material as possible.  it youre playing the lottery, does it not make sense to have as many tickets as possible? i mean i also think playing lottery is kindof stupid but mushroom pheno hunting is a litlte more like playng slots.  okay, does it not make sense to play as many machines as possible?

well? does it?

Edited by BeefExtreme (09/04/25 06:29 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme] * 6
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I don’t give a shit about genetic diversity and pheno hunting. I want to spread out my spores so if there is contamination I have a better chance of finding a clean spot to transfer away from/less chance of having multiple organisms growing on top of one another. I think for the majority of people on here asking questions that is probably a more important goal than taking as much genetic diversity to grain as possible.

For the few hardcore hobbyists that already have a pretty clean workflow, and want to mess with genetics, you have a point. I just don’t think most people are there yet, or like me, will ever get there.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RoscoeReturns]
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ive almost never had a contam at the germ plate level and i dont really see how smearing it all over the plate is going to help if bacteria is already present.  at that point youre pretty much fucked anyway.  i guess its something to try if youre aware of a dirty print or syringe, or working with wild spores but i would argue that its just another vector for contam for people who havent established their flow yet. 

flame loop, loop in the box, loop out of the box, flame, loop back in the box loop out of the box, loop back in the box, loop out of the box...

not to mention the plate and lid sitting open for what.. 4-6 business days or however long this takes while their arms are pumping in and out of the box. 

i have to wonder if this process is actually what causes contam for a lot of new players. frankly i think its kindof of an intimidating barrier for entry for new guys.  im open to be convinced otherwise of course..

Edited by BeefExtreme (09/04/25 06:53 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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also im not sure why that pyrex should have broken but im not sure about going from the microwave into a bath of relatively cold water or from the fridge straight to high setting on a microwave.  seems like a triathalon for the poor bottle.  its been years since i used a microwave to heat up agar.  my microwave is a pos nobrand i bought at a yard sale for 10$ years ago and i keep around mostly as a joke.  it takes two full minutes to heat up a cup of coffee .

anyway glad youre alright bud you could have been burnt pretty good.  at the end of the day i guess i think its still best to not microwave agar if you can avoid it.  bod always did it and i remember him saying to do it slowly so i have to wonder if he popped a couple media bottles himself..

ive also exploded some casarole dishes coming home drunk trying to get a midnight snack impatiently.

Edited by BeefExtreme (09/04/25 07:14 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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Help identifying please.

Second time I’ve ordered from a vendor and NOT gotten APEs but this doesn’t look like PE either.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Splittinghairs]
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Looks like plain Ole cubes to me boss :shrug:

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: boxtrotalpha] * 1
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if thats the first to pin you might stil get the expression you want later

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
if thats the first to pin you might stil get the expression you want later



Yeah. This is the first cluster to pop up.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme]
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BeefSupremeJr said:
also im not sure why that pyrex should have broken but im not sure about going from the microwave into a bath of relatively cold water or from the fridge straight to high setting on a microwave.  seems like a triathalon for the poor bottle.  its been years since i used a microwave to heat up agar.  my microwave is a pos nobrand i bought at a yard sale for 10$ years ago and i keep around mostly as a joke.  it takes two full minutes to heat up a cup of coffee .

anyway glad youre alright bud you could have been burnt pretty good.  at the end of the day i guess i think its still best to not microwave agar if you can avoid it.  bod always did it and i remember him saying to do it slowly so i have to wonder if he popped a couple media bottles himself..

ive also exploded some casarole dishes coming home drunk trying to get a midnight snack impatiently.




the bottle was definitely compromised in some way. either already had a small crack in it or possible excess tension from the manufacturing/annealing process. i used to work with borosilicate, fabricating chomatography glassware and a tiny asian lady would look at all my pieces under a polariscope for excess tension and toss it in the trash if it didnt comply. i hated watching that lol

but i heat agar up in the microwave regularly with no issues with a media bottle brand less reputable than pyrex. their scientific glass is boro and still quality but, if u want some cadillac media bottles, get urself something from kimble, duran, or wheaton. i thnk they all merged and are now dwk but they are the gold standard imo

i did however have a gallon glass jug explode on me once during a dmt extraction. the heat and pressure inside from the lye was enough to blast it all over me and my kitchen... so now even when microwaving agar, i always wrap it in a towel or rag when handling as i usually mix it up a bit to make sure its fully melted.

glass sharp. agar hot. work safe!

Edited by sloug (09/04/25 08:06 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: sloug] * 3
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The only streaks I got are in mine undies

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:excuseme:

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oh i bet u of all people went streaking at least once. outside of ur underpants that is

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: sloug]
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Let’s say I wanted to go from a clean agar plate, and be able to use it for PF tek.

What’s the easiest way to do so? Myc slurry in a syringe?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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callmehippie said:
For sure. I use this technique as well and also link it to lots of people.

I actually was just telling Gilmour Hendrix about it the other day. Lol

Somtimes i just  like simplify it and just do the zigzag down the middle just cuz that the other way  you show is a tiny bit more complicated.

You've got to torch the Loop multiple times and remove the dish lid multiple times if you're not working in flow. Not so much noob friendly I guess.



Agreed, but the discussion was specifically about cleaning up a known dirty culture (I had assumed LC). I wouldn’t do this everytime. Only if specifically trying to clean up.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BeefExtreme] * 1
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BeefSupremeJr said:
qq I ever tell you guys I dont believe in streaking?

yeah i think its not actually helpful in this hobby.  i mean why reduce the genetic material to work with? i think its pointless in our circumstsnce and doesnt accomplish anything a few transfers couldnt anyway.  its just fancy. 

i mean read anyones process and theyll explain how its done and at the most theyll explain how it helps dilute and isolate cultures.  but why?  WHY do we want that?

i want to go to fruit with as much genetic material as possible.  it youre playing the lottery, does it not make sense to have as many tickets as possible? i mean i also think playing lottery is kindof stupid but mushroom pheno hunting is a litlte more like playng slots.  okay, does it not make sense to play as many machines as possible?

well? does it?



Again this wasn’t being shared to imply using it everytime is necessary or to try and isolate cultures. It was specifically to advise on a method that can help clean up known dirty spores / LC. Most of my focus has been on exotics and I sometimes work with wild spores. The method definitely helps with getting colonies of clean myc. It’s not the only way, just a tool to keep in the tool box. Just like using brf pucks, cabin sequestering ect…

Edited by Henry Swanson (09/04/25 08:20 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RoscoeReturns] * 2
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RoscoeReturns said:
I don’t give a shit about genetic diversity and pheno hunting. I want to spread out my spores so if there is contamination I have a better chance of finding a clean spot to transfer away from/less chance of having multiple organisms growing on top of one another. I think for the majority of people on here asking questions that is probably a more important goal than taking as much genetic diversity to grain.



That sums it up for me. I’m looking for hitchhikers.

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