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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Bustaboo]
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Well you can still see how much growth is coming off one piece. I’m saying at 8 days I might have like an inch of outward growth.

That’s diameter not radius


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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Smellyhobbit said:
Ok I have a real question:

How is your growth on grains so fucking fast? I would never see that much growth after 8 days. If I didn’t shake my jars after they reached maybe a 1-2” diameter it would take probably 2-3 weeks to see growth like that.

What am I doing wrong?



Was that directed at me, Smelly?

If so, yes about a full plate sliced like this per jar. Also, those are pint jars rather than quarts, so that could be a bit deceptive.

Everything inside the blue circle goes in one jar.
Well... everything that doesn't miss the jar, anyway. :shrug:


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: ReverendMyc]
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ReverendMyc said:
Smellyhobbit said:
Ok I have a real question:

How is your growth on grains so fucking fast? I would never see that much growth after 8 days. If I didn’t shake my jars after they reached maybe a 1-2” diameter it would take probably 2-3 weeks to see growth like that.

What am I doing wrong?



Was that directed at me, Smelly?

If so, yes about a full plate sliced like this per jar. Also, those are pint jars rather than quarts, so that could be a bit deceptive.

Everything inside the blue circle goes in one jar.
Well... everything that doesn't miss the jar, anyway. :shrug:



Pint jar. Makes sense.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: AspectOfTheCreator] * 1
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Ya. Small hands make your "jars/myc" look huge.

Always picking on my tiny hands. You guys are just mean.
:hehehe:




EDIT: Lemon for scale. Didn't have a banana.


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Edited by ReverendMyc (09/21/23 01:52 PM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Tormato]
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:curbyourenthusiasm:


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: ReverendMyc] * 1
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ReverendMyc said:
Ya. Small hands make your "jars/myc" look huge.

Always picking on my tiny hands. You guys are just mean.
:hehehe:




EDIT: Lemon for scale. Didn't have a banana.




Ah. This does make a measure of sense lmao.

Your grows are always awesome I assumed they were full quarts ☠️


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Traveled] * 1
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Traveled said:
It's classic LMEA this a touch of yeast.

I m a bit disappointed by this batch because I didn't achieve totally clear agar.
Maybe I put too much of agar and or lme ?



If you're using nutritional yeast you'll always have sediment, it doesn't dissolve you can only get the particles as small as possible. I use a mortar and pestal to turn mine into fine powder before adding it.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: JXAllen] * 2
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I filter my yeast water through a coffee filter and still get it. I can get clear with only agar and LME. I always use blue though.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: covertjoy] * 2
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Update on dilution germinations.

covertjoy said:
Update on original Ps. Cyanescens dilution plates.

No visible germination on any of the original Ps. Cyanescens dilution plates I did which were on water agar. However I was scanning a few under the microscope and found this.



There are no nearby spores so I think this one looks like a fairly safe monokaryon.

I was able to spot it using the 10x microscope objective which is nice since that allows me to cover a lot of surface area fairly quickly. I think the technique for catching the germinations early is not searching for single spores which is labour intensive but a few days after inoculation to start to scan the plates daily or twice daily looking for for hyphae using the 10x objective.

Going to transfer this straight away. Planning to do as small a transfer as possible. I think I am ok with doing the transfer face down if I am able to so the hyphae comes into contact with nutrient agar immediately. From what I have seen they don't get starved of oxygen too quickly for them to find the edge although I may be wrong for a mycelium of such small size.

It looks like hyphae grew from both sides of the spore. Cool.

Here is the completed transfer. It is face down.





I'll keep an eye on it under the microscope. For all I know this spore might have germinated days ago and has terminated.



This germinated spore above hasn't moved since transferring it. I suspect it was already terminated when it was transferred. There are no visible germinations on any of these original Ps. Cyanescens dilution plates either which were on water agar. My hypothesis here is that the reason spores can usually germinate and grow on water agar is because they are able to cannibalise nutrients from the other spores around them. With a dilution plate like this they are unable to do and therefore are unable to sustain hyphal growth.

On my other dilution plates which were on LME agar I have had a number of visible germinations from Ps. Natalensis #2 which I have transferred and are growing well. I didn't observe their germination under the microscope so I can only suspect that they are monokaryotic at this point and need to do further work to prove them.

No germinations on any of the others (Ps. Natalensis #1, Ps. Hispanica, Ps. Allennii). I inoculated regular germination plates for all of these also and of them only the Ps. Natalenis #2 had prolific germination. Ps. Natalensis #1 had very sparse germination and the other two had no germination at all. So I conclude that these spores are in a bad state or don't like the conditions. It has been hot lately, over 30 Celcius and the plates have been sitting out with temperature swings as well so perhaps this has been a factor. I used dishwasher rinse aid to help unclump the spores so perhaps this was a factor too. It is interesting that the Ps. Natalensis #2 germinated well if this was the case though.

I'm currently running an experiment on spore unclumping and germinations before performing some more dilutions. I have a Ps. Cubensis spore solution which I have separated into 8 tubes. Of the 8, half of them have rinse-aid. And of each of the two sets of 4, 2 have a ball bearing and 2 do not. They've been in the tubes for a few days now so I will shake, vortex and count the spores in each tube today and then inoculate some petridishes with this. I am experimenting for both spore unclumping and whether the rinse aid affects germination. While doing spore counting I have noticed a few spores already germinating in the water solution.

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: covertjoy] * 1
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Another day in the diary of an Agar-Addict.:wink:



Blue are a set of water agar. I am expecting some spores in the post.

EDIT:
How many others do a batch similar to this two or three times a month?

Edited by Genome794 (09/22/23 08:04 AM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Tormato]
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Day 6 check up on this ghost plate. Some nasty shit is starting to grow in between the dishes but the slow growth is starting to turn  white now. Waiting on some new dishes to try a different recipe to see if that helps.



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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: 0mar] * 1
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0mar said:
Day 6 check up on this ghost plate. Some nasty shit is starting to grow in between the dishes but the slow growth is starting to turn  white now. Waiting on some new dishes to try a different recipe to see if that helps.





It looks like mold bro. Sorry. I had a whole syringe of that exact thing. The transparent part way ahead of the white part is a red flag IME.


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Edited by AspectOfTheCreator (09/22/23 01:37 PM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: AspectOfTheCreator] * 2
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Definitely mold.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: tryptkaloids]
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RIP thanks boys.


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: AspectOfTheCreator]
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So the transparent part is mold or the white? Or both? Man I wish I knew where I’m going wrong :facepalm:


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: 0mar] * 1
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0mar said:
So the transparent part is mold or the white? Or both? Man I wish I knew where I’m going wrong :facepalm:



Do you have a good idea of what cubensis mycelium looks like on a plate? It’s less about what individual molds look like and more about what cube myc doesn’t.

There’s lots of good examples here


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: 0mar]
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0mar said:
So the transparent part is mold or the white? Or both? Man I wish I knew where I’m going wrong :facepalm:



Whole thing is mold. It seems you need to select the correct myc to transfer from your germ plates. The wet shiney looking stuff is mold.


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Edited by AspectOfTheCreator (09/22/23 02:13 PM)

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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: covertjoy] * 1
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covertjoy said:
On my other dilution plates which were on LME agar I have had a number of visible germinations from Ps. Natalensis #2 which I have transferred and are growing well. I didn't observe their germination under the microscope so I can only suspect that they are monokaryotic at this point and need to do further work to prove them.

No germinations on any of the others (Ps. Natalensis #1, Ps. Hispanica, Ps. Allennii). I inoculated regular germination plates for all of these also and of them only the Ps. Natalenis #2 had prolific germination. Ps. Natalensis #1 had very sparse germination and the other two had no germination at all. So I conclude that these spores are in a bad state or don't like the conditions. It has been hot lately, over 30 Celcius and the plates have been sitting out with temperature swings as well so perhaps this has been a factor. I used dishwasher rinse aid to help unclump the spores so perhaps this was a factor too. It is interesting that the Ps. Natalensis #2 germinated well if this was the case though.




Ps. Natalensis #2 regular germinations:


Ps. Natalensis #1 regular germination:


Ps. Hispanica regular germination:


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: 0mar]
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0mar said:
RIP thanks boys.



:feelsbatman:

could try some more transfers from the germ plate. definitely don't toss any of those plates though. maybe one sprout a plin in a couple weeks


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Re: AGAR ENVY! (Anything and All things agar!) [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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Tbh no not really … any on this plate? This is from a few days ago I can get an updated pic later?


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