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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: BirkenSaft]
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Your cakes look too dry. How often do you mist them?


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: Yahra]
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Mostly 1-2 times a day on the walls

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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: BirkenSaft]
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Don't mist the walls but the cakes.

And don't suffocate them. Give them FAE all the time.

Get rid of your hygrometer. It doesn't do anything useful. You got fooled by it because you measured the moisture of the seramis and not of the cakes.


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: Yahra] * 1
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Thank you,
I make this now :smile:

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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: Yahra] * 1
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Yahra said:
Your cakes look too dry. How often do you mist them?


I couldn't tell. how would you know?
the surfaces could enjoy some fine misting, i would agree. but as for the cakes,they might be just perfectly hydrated.


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: chris77] * 2
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He's misting the walls...


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: Yahra]
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Yahra said:
He's misting the walls...


so??


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: chris77] * 2
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chris77 said:
Yahra said:
He's misting the walls...


so??


Outdated pointless tek. Nothing grows on the walls.


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: chris77]
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if the humidity is very high and the cakes properly hydrated they might do fine without the usually preferred surface conditions.


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: chris77] * 12
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Stoked right now. My brother just asked for a lil mushroom to micro on today. He thinks he might have a drinking problem and wanted to give it a shot. He knows I struggled with alcoholism and mushrooms helped save me. It’s a good day.

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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: Way]
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Way said:
chris77 said:
Yahra said:
He's misting the walls...


so??


Outdated pointless tek. Nothing grows on the walls.


i didnt say misting the walls makes anything grow. but it raises RH


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: Prolific Koi] * 2
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Prolific Koi said:
Stoked right now. My brother just asked for a lil mushroom to micro on today. He thinks he might have a drinking problem and wanted to give it a shot. He knows I struggled with alcoholism and mushrooms helped save me. It’s a good day.


that's excellent :manofapproval:


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: chris77] * 4
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chris77 said:
Way said:
chris77 said:
Yahra said:
He's misting the walls...


so??


Outdated pointless tek. Nothing grows on the walls.


i didnt say misting the walls makes anything grow. but it raises RH


Know what else raises the RH and hydrates the cake? Misting the cake.


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: Yahra] * 1
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I don't have any such experience but cooking up a liquid extraction protocol for any molecule is an interesting question.

While I don't have the answers, here are some interesting questions to think about.

After a little searching I found this tidbit:

Psilocybin has a water solubility of 2.7 g/L and a melting point of 224 • C. Psilocin has a water solubility of 4.08 g/L and a melting point of 174.5 • C [23]. Psilocybin is a zwitterion alkaloid with a highly polar phosphate group; consequently, it is more soluble in water than psilocin [24]. Contrariwise, psilocin is more lipid soluble than psilocybin.

So, we should probably think about psilocybin and psilocin separately. What's the ratio? This reference says that in cubes, it's roughly 50/50. So even if you perfectly extracted the psilocybin with water or alcohol you're leaving some good stuff behind, too.

But what's actually the better solvent, water or alcohol? This paper says methanol is the way to go. Of course, it is toxic so you don't want to use it! Ethanol like what you have is hopefully a reasonable substitute... I can't find any data though. Anyway this abstract concludes by saying that methanol does a good job of extraction, but that conflicts with the information above that psilocin is more soluble in lipids (fats). (It also says "dilute acetic acid"--how dilute? vinegar?--works well. SALAD DRESSING TEK? LOL.)

I think an interesting thing might be to try ethanol extraction alone, and then doing another run with both an ethanol extraction followed by a lipid extraction -- say, olive oil. Olive oil and ethanol will not mix, but you might be able to force the issue with an emulsifier like soy lecithin and a blender.

My off the cuff guess is that a dual extraction might do a better job but that concentrated ethanol would be good 'nuff. If you can find the solubility of the key compounds in ethanol, you can then figure out how much dried product to put into how much ethanol; putting in more material than is theoretically soluble would be wasteful.

So there is a long way of saying "I don't know," haha.


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: altford78] * 1
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altford78 said:
do light/darkness cycles impact in any way cube mycelium growth on agar?

I'm sure this has been researched but I can't find anything.


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: BirdsOnTrees] * 1
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BirdsOnTrees said:
Hey friends,

I got distracted with life and let my WBS soak for 48 hours, should I just toss it or is there hope for it maybe if I allow it to dry on some sheets for an extended period?


I have never used WBS myself but I have let my oats soak for over two days before due to just forgetting about them. I didn’t like the way they looked or smelt so I tossed them and started over.


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: HILLBILLY OUTLAW] * 1
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I feel like you can soak WBS for ages, and it does jack shit. Flash prep or simmer is the way to go.


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: Yuggoth] * 1
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Thanks for the detailed response Yugggoth. That is basically what I've been reading while sifting through old forum posts. I was hoping someone might have some relevant first hand experience on the subject. I think I'm just going to give it a go and document my findings. I was thinking I could possibly buy some of those nifty new potency test kits eventually to test the final product.


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: NuclearTidalWave]
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NuclearTidalWave said:
Thanks for the detailed response Yugggoth. That is basically what I've been reading while sifting through old forum posts. I was hoping someone might have some relevant first hand experience on the subject. I think I'm just going to give it a go and document my findings. I was thinking I could possibly buy some of those nifty new potency test kits eventually to test the final product.


Outstanding, looking forward to your findings. I am very curious about those tests!


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Re: Get Quick Answers [Re: Pandaskis]
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Pandaskis said:
I feel like you can soak WBS for ages, and it does jack shit. Flash prep or simmer is the way to go.


Which is weird because I left like half a cup of water in a jar with WBS and it readily absorbed it mostly within an hour lol


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