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God does all, you and I are not even here...
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Maharshi said, the only mistake we make is to think, "I am the do-er"

That's it. In my travels from my bedroom to my dealer's house and back again, I have come to realise this.

It's culturally insane (what other insanity is there? Besides brain damage) to think so, but you're not even here, only God is.

He's making all the decisions, forming all the neurotic thoughts, or beautiful ones, depending on who you are.

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Well yeah.

The best thing about Enlightenment is once its insanity catches you it purifies you with ecstasy and bliss and a continuous high that no anti-psychotic is going to control, and you wouldn't want it to, unless you get thoughts about eating your neighbour (unlikely).

As the day goes by it gets easier and easier until you realise you're not even doing anything, God is.

That's the ride.

...the fact that God is taking it, not you.

Ego is a malignant tumor.


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Hostile humankind
Can't you see you're fucking blind?

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Re: God does all, you and I are not even here... [Re: beforethedawn] * 1
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What's in a name? Mine is Burley Smith. You might envision a hairy dude, but resplendent with burrs is often closer to the truth. Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin resplendent with burrs to remove seeds from the attire of some dinner theater crowd.

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Re: God does all, you and I are not even here... [Re: Buster_Brown]
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Well A fucking men.


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Hostile humankind
Can't you see you're fucking blind?

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Re: God does all, you and I are not even here... [Re: beforethedawn] * 1
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beforethedawn said:
He's making all the decisions, forming all the neurotic thoughts, or beautiful ones, depending on who you are.


I'd be more inclined to think that's not the case and instead, God is granting freedom of creativity (as 'He' creates), with the world being our figurative canvas.

The world would arguably have little use if everyone was being ultimately dictated to.

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Ego is a malignant tumor.


Ego is the necessary state of individuality. In turn, it permits individual creation.

Each person has complete freedom and responsibly for their creations.

Those who come to realize this, usually come to thrive.

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Re: God does all, you and I are not even here... [Re: Duncan Rowhl]
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:whathesaid: freewill,
We make most of our decisions, God is there to correct our steps to mold us from our mistakes..

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Re: God does all, you and I are not even here... [Re: pacmanbreed] * 1
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pacmanbreed said:
:whathesaid: freewill,
We make most of our decisions, God is there to correct our steps to mold us from our mistakes..


I'm not entirely sold on the idea of free will. It seems to me that we have free will in making the choices presented to us, but no/limited control on the situation that forced us into it. An example. You wake up in the morning. You can chose to get out of bed, or not. Did you chose to wake up? Or we could go even further back. Did you chose to be born? If not, then EVERY choice you have ever had to make was, in one way or another, externally forced upon you. I'd love to have more faith in what philosophy calls "the free will problem", but we do seem to live in a causal universe!(after all, we learn very young about the concept of cause and effect)


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Re: God does all, you and I are not even here... [Re: Tripsahoy420]
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Job also wondered why was he born in this material plane.
I myself questioned why my involutary muscle keeps beating.

free choice is something existent in some, but not all, creatures. Our brain and understanding is very much superior and more complex than any other lower forms of life eg. (fruit flies).
Quote:
(Job 35:11)“Who teacheth us more than the beasts of the earth, and maketh us wiser than the fowls of heaven?”


Free will is something done without compulsion and willingness.The dictionary defines it as done voluntarily rather than by compulsion.

I believe that giving us free will is the most loving and compassionate act of the Creator.It is in our free will on what He prefers us to do , that He is delighted.
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(Isaiah 1:19)“If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land…”


Eg. giving to delight God, must be coupled with good deeds according to our free choice.
Quote:
(Hebrews 13:15-16)“Through him then let us continually offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips that acknowledge his name.Do not neglect to do good and to share what you have, for such sacrifices are pleasing to God.”

(2 Corinthians, 9:6) "Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."


Although because of free-choice also, we can do things that disgust Him; and will bring people to destruction. Quantum causality(cause and effect).
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(Deuteronomy 30:19)“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live…”


Even angels who where 1st before us were granted free choice. Some left their habitation longing to be higher than God.
Quote:
(Isaiah, 14:14) I will ascend above the heights of the clouds! I will make myself like the Most High!"

(Jude 1:6)“And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.”

(Revelation 12:9)“And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”


The same thing is happening to man who are being led astray from the path of righteousness because of the abuse of their free will.
Quote:
(Romans 3:12)“They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.”


And this is part of the history of mankind since time immemorial.
Quote:
(Malachi 3:7)“Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?”


Common sense and incidental happenings in our daily lives, proves the existence or the reality of free will in man.

To understand the deeper part of it, we can just look on our being as an individual.In our bodies, there are what science calls as muscles acting voluntarily and involuntarily.The heart is one of them.It beats and pumps blood throughout the body unceasingly throughout ones lifetime without the control of man himself; while voluntary muscles moves are controlled by the mind.

So in our being, the presence of voluntary and involuntary actions will tell our common senses that on this earth, there are things that happen because of man’s free will , and they can either be against or in accordance with God’s will.But life on earth is not exactly the same in all living creatures.There are things that happen in lower forms of life which are evidently not in conformity with their own will.While the female peacock may choose its mate in a particular mating period, in captivity, an animal doesn’t have a choice.

We, humans, are the most abusive users of free will in the animal kingdom.The free will of a bird to fly, it does not use for its own destruction.But we have used our free will throughout the entire history of humanity for our self destruction.
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(Revelation 11:18)“And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.”


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Re: God does all, you and I are not even here... [Re: Duncan Rowhl] * 1
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Duncan Rowhl said:
Quote:
Ego is a malignant tumor.


Ego is the necessary state of individuality. In turn, it permits individual creation.



I agree with this.

I sometimes find I have to be a bit egotistical, but I am never egotistical in a way which would cause harm to another. 

I would never think because I look good or am athletic and healthy that I am better than another, but I do make sure my nose hairs are trimmed, I smell and look decent before I leave the house, that I don't have anything in my teeth, etc.  All of those things are tied to ego, but we all do them.

When I do my creative outlets I feel a surge of egoic energy, if I denied that then what I am trying to do would not come to fruition.  If one goes out into the world with the mindset that all aspects of our ego should be eliminated then the world will devour you and extinguish your light.


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Re: God does all, you and I are not even here... [Re: Lucis]
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:whathesaid::congrats:

Constructive ego also shines light to others equipped with destructive ego.

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Re: God does all, you and I are not even here... [Re: Lucis]
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Fennario said:
Duncan Rowhl said:
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Ego is a malignant tumor.


Ego is the necessary state of individuality. In turn, it permits individual creation.



I agree with this.

I sometimes find I have to be a bit egotistical, but I am never egotistical in a way which would cause harm to another. 

I would never think because I look good or am athletic and healthy that I am better than another, but I do make sure my nose hairs are trimmed, I smell and look decent before I leave the house, that I don't have anything in my teeth, etc.  All of those things are tied to ego, but we all do them.

When I do my creative outlets I feel a surge of egoic energy, if I denied that then what I am trying to do would not come to fruition.  If one goes out into the world with the mindset that all aspects of our ego should be eliminated then the world will devour you and extinguish your light.


When I play games with my best friends, I want their egos in full force in order to clash against mine. Nothing else is as fun!

Ego is meant to play with, not to hate. "Rivalry" can be a word of inspiration and can push you to great heights in addition to creating a fantastic bond between people who are competing. It doesn't have to be hateful, there can be a *very* deep respect created.


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Re: God does all, you and I are not even here... [Re: Vahn421]
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Ego, Egg? I dunno..


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Re: God does all, you and I are not even here... [Re: BrendanFlock]
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An egg head maybe?


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Re: God does all, you and I are not even here... [Re: beforethedawn]
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Well, yeah, this is straight out of the Bhagavad Gita. Ram Dass promulgated this notion in BE HERE NOW. In the spirit of pantheistic monism Ram Dass expressed this notion tinged by his Jewish upbringing that there is only One true God. However, Ram Dass' Jewish Hinduism asserted that there is only One Being, period, which on the one hand relegates the billions of individual egos to maya, illusion, but on the other hand, owing to monism since there is ONLY God manifesting the Eternal I AM as each one of our temporary individual little 'I ams.' The worshippers of other gods in Hinduism do regard them in a theistic way.

Despite the personal flavor of the Bhagavad Gita (Krishna is "the Supreme Personality of the Godhead"), God is not theistic - 'a' Being, ontologically separate from human beings (the position of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam). So, given the monistic position, everything is determined and free-will is relative at best and illusory at worst. Morality takes on a different meaning since the East is a shame-culture while the West is a Guilt-culture. If we do evil we feel or should feel guilt before a separate God, but in the East the emotion is shame, based on the assumption that we all know the mystical truth about our intrinsic Oneness with God and that if we do evil we should be ashamed that we are not manifesting benevolent God through our actions.

But again, paradoxically, God is only seen as benevolent in the Gita. There are Kali worshippers, Agni worshippers who throw flaming brands at each other in huge gatherings, and other gods which have been worshipped by rather evil deeds. The Thugees (from which we get the word thug), were given a knife, an ax and a shovel in their initiation so that they could murder, dismember and bury their victims. Kali was a deity fictionally portrayed in the film Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. Kali is seen theistically by her adherents.

Lastly, the ego is in the first and most basic form the embodied-ego. It is the first level of separateness that the neonate realizes about 6 months after birth. Baby bites the blanket, the nipple, a toy, nothing special. Baby begins to get teeth and bites his finger, 'ouch!' The difference between the finger, toes, skin, begins to be differentiated from the rest of the environment. Later ego developments become mental-ego. When mommy leaves the room she no longer ceases to exist resulting in a screams of protest and horror. When Object Constancy develops, baby maintains an inner image of mommy which satisfies her for a while. The game Peek-a-boo trains this up. Similarly with Object Permanence. At first hiding a toy and it ceases to exist, baby turns away. But after a while baby throws the covers off the rattle because she has held a mental picture of it in mind, and it is no longer merely a moment-to-moment sensory input.

The ego is necessary for biological survival, but it is not automatically egoism or egotism. These are psychological and spiritual diseases of the identity. The Narcissist and the Sociopath/Psychopath (both disorders operating in Trump for example) is a grotesque distortion of the otherwise health human ego that relativizes its own importance among other egos, allowing for empathy, conscience, remorse, compassion, sympathy, and other socially and spiritually benevolent conditions.

Ultimately, as certain high mystical states reveal, our human identity, human self-awareness IS the Divine Mind. Our 'I' IS the Divine "I AM" misidentified with our body and its senses, thoughts, feelings, memories, and all temporal content. The "I AM" statements of Iesous in the Gospel of John are dogmatically taken to be true ONLY for the nature of Iesous. My understanding is that those words were disclosing the truth for every human being, but this understanding is strictly rejected by Christianity as being heresy, a word from the Greek, hairesis which means 'choice.' I choose to understand the words differently than the established dogma but they make infinitely more sense to us as a metaphysical statement of Reality than if the words identify only one unique specie of demigod, namely Iesous. This is what the myth of resurrection implies, but the knowledge of our True Nature (a Buddhist expression) is soundly suppressed, at times under penalty of horrible death. This gnosis must not be spoken in the West, Westerners cannot say "Tat Twam Asi" (That Thou Art) without immediate ego-inflation and hubris. Therefore the truth must be silently Realized within and that truth properly Realized will result in humility (as Iesous was alleged to have demonstrated), not hubris.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

Edited by MarkostheGnostic (09/30/18 01:40 PM)

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