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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
keyser_soze said:
next time address the argument instead of jumping to passive aggressive waffling.



Speaking of which, when were you planning to explain how belgians can possibly be so much more fiscally responsible compared to americans that their median wealth is more than 3X even though their median income is only 3/4 and their tax burden is almost double?




because their cost of living is through the roof, the money they have isnt as much as you think it is.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
You havent addressed the argument at all. You cant even comprehend the cost analysis.

Everyone who is for single payer understands how taxes work. Why dont you?



i addressed the argument in 3 ways, in one post.

how taxes work and the amount of taxes is two different things, try again.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze]
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People understand what single payer is and thats why support for it is higher than ever.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
People understand what single payer is and thats why support for it is higher than ever.



...until they get the real cost thrown in their face.


there is a reason nobody is coming out with a solid number...you'll know when it passes. :rofl:


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze] * 1
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There are solid numbers, you just refuse to believe them.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze] * 2
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keyser_soze said:
ballsalsa said:
keyser_soze said:
next time address the argument instead of jumping to passive aggressive waffling.



Speaking of which, when were you planning to explain how belgians can possibly be so much more fiscally responsible compared to americans that their median wealth is more than 3X even though their median income is only 3/4 and their tax burden is almost double?




because their cost of living is through the roof, the money they have isnt as much as you think it is.


If the cost of living is through the roof, how are they amassing more wealth with less income and higher taxes?

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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: ballsalsa]
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there needs to be more Jim Jones', that'll solve all the problems.

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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: ballsalsa]
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it's pretty simple. money in the bank doesn't equal wealth when the cost of living is sky high.


ecstatic, post your numbers again for all to see. if i remember correctly you keep harping on bernies 2% extra in taxes plan, are you still sticking by to 2%?

because that isn't a solid number, at all.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze] * 1
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How do you figure 2 isnt a solid number


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
How do you figure 2 isnt a solid number



because everything about the 2% is associated with the word proposal.

it's all ideas.

they will not tell you any real numbers until it is about to pass. It is how they passed obamacare -- because of people like you that believe everything they are told.

"You'll know what's in it when it passes"...give me  fucking break dude, that shit is for 3rd graders, obviously.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze] * 2
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keyser_soze said:
it's pretty simple. money in the bank doesn't equal wealth when the cost of living is sky high.



I'll ask again.
how are they putting more money in the bank with lower income and higher taxes if the cost of living is sky high?

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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: ballsalsa] * 2
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Single payer costs less than private.  And it covers everybody.  And there are no loopholes to deny you insurance.

You'll pay a bit more in taxes but your insurance bill will be gone.  Overall you will have more money.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze]
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keyser_soze said:
The Ecstatic said:
How do you figure 2 isnt a solid number



because everything about the 2% is associated with the word proposal.

it's all ideas.

they will not tell you any real numbers until it is about to pass. It is how they passed obamacare -- because of people like you that believe everything they are told.

"You'll know what's in it when it passes"...give me  fucking break dude, that shit is for 3rd graders, obviously.


Everything is just an idea until its implemented. I really dont see what your point is.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Also dont give me that bs pelosi line like thats anything close to what I said. The specifics of the bill are available for you to read. Knock yourself out and save us the trouble of spoonfeeding you.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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akira_akuma said:
i told you my opinion already





wtf are you on about now?  i never asked your opinion.  i simply asked keyser to name the infamous, duhn-duhn-duhnnnnn, repercussions so we could talk about them.  you know, have a conversation about his unnamed concerns. 

then you came at me bro.  some jabbering about looking into the future.  i never asked anyone, much less you, to consult a crystal ball.  i just asked keyser to name repercussions that evidently he's privy to but won't share.

have a good one.

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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: relic]
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you expect people to see outcomes through numerals, that's the thing you need to realize is extremely stupid. people are not numbers. they do not coordinate and delineate as charts do. you tell that to Fal and the Holy Chart. i think you guys need to have a pow-wow, or something.

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then you came at me bro


LOL

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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
keyser_soze said:
it's pretty simple. money in the bank doesn't equal wealth when the cost of living is sky high.



I'll ask again.
how are they putting more money in the bank with lower income and higher taxes if the cost of living is sky high?


not all of them are.
http://www.xpats.com/one-three-belgians-unable-save-money

*unless shit has drastically changed in 6 months


*to ecstatic, i don't believe you. everything is still a ball park number. post what you are talking about instead of using anecdotal evidence.


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Edited by keyser_soze (09/22/17 07:25 PM)

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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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do you see any difference of the US?

Beglium is 11.29 million (2015)

US 324.60 million (2017)


that IS THE problem.


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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
they are a nation of 11,250,000 people, and they are done with budget deficits, and they feel insecure about the fact that (well some more intelligent people) their economy is propped up solely by investment in the global markets. - you aren't in China, by the by,...you could be, though, maybe in a century!
http://www.hangthebankers.com/why-the-hell-is-belgium-buying-so-much-us-debt/
remember those sci-fi novels? :wink:


lalalala :snowman:

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Re: Dems Finally Sobering Up. Establishment 2020 frontrunner Kamala Harris endorses single payer [Re: keyser_soze] * 1
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keyser_soze said:
ballsalsa said:
keyser_soze said:
it's pretty simple. money in the bank doesn't equal wealth when the cost of living is sky high.



I'll ask again.
how are they putting more money in the bank with lower income and higher taxes if the cost of living is sky high?


not all of them are.



Of course not.  We were discussing the median.  By the way, 69% of Americans have less than $1000 in savings, so it looks like the Belgians have us beat by several miles on that metric as well.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/19/heres-how-many-americans-have-nothing-at-all-in-savings.html

I'll ask again.
How is the median belgian household banking more money than the median U.S. household when they have a lower income, higher taxes, and a sky high cost of living?

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