akira_akuma said:

plus, i'm poor...when am i gonna get help? oh yeah, never. i have healthcare...oooooooooo...never use it.

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DividedQuantum said:

Well, you're right. I am uniquely qualified to say that we are one hell of a long way from a healthcare system that works properly, at least in the States.

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akira_akuma said:

i'm in CANADA. and it SUCKS.

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DividedQuantum said:

akira_akuma said:

plus, i'm poor...when am i gonna get help? oh yeah, never. i have healthcare...oooooooooo...never use it.

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I'm a diabetic, and all I do is spend a fuck ton of money for the privilege to remain alive. Whatever happened to the concept of the common good in this country? Did we ever even have such a concept?

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A fucking inhaler for asmtha costs about 100$ for 1 month and you're bitching about Canadian health care

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akira_akuma said:

i'm trying to have a discussion here.

HERE

Bernie Sanders himself: “But I think what we understand is that unless we change the funding system and the control mechanism in this country to do that,” he said. “For example, if we expanded Medicaid [to] everybody. Give everybody a Medicaid card – we would be spending such an astronomical sum of money that, you know, we would bankrupt the nation.”

THERE, my point is VALID, now will YOU F OFF, because i'm getting tired of this bandwagoning bullshit, go jump all over someone else.

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akira_akuma said:

you'd have to cut spending in order for their employment to not be ineffective, in terms of cost, and that's the problem.

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ballsalsa said:

he's saying that to implement effective social programs, we would have to get the money from somewhere else, ideally by cutting spending on wasteful bullshit, otherwise, we won't be able to afford it.

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akira_akuma said:

Bernie Sanders himself: “But I think what we understand is that unless we change the funding system and the control mechanism in this country to do that,” he said. “For example, if we expanded Medicaid [to] everybody. Give everybody a Medicaid card – we would be spending such an astronomical sum of money that, you know, we would bankrupt the nation.”

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Sec. 1901. [42 U.S.C. 1396]  For the purpose of enabling each State, as far as practicable under the conditions in such State, to furnish (1) medical assistance on behalf of families with dependent children and of aged, blind, or disabled individuals, whose income and resources are insufficient to meet the costs of necessary medical services, and (2) rehabilitation and other services to help such families and individuals attain or retain capability for independence or self-care, there is hereby authorized to be appropriated for each fiscal year a sum sufficient to carry out the purposes of this title. The sums made available under this section shall be used for making payments to States which have submitted, and had approved by the Secretary, State plans for medical assistance.

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ballsalsa said:

he threw a double negative in there for some reason.

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ballsalsa said:

I think it is important to point out why medicaid is being used in this example as opposed to medicare.
Medicare is paid for through payroll taxes.
Medicaid is paid for through appropriation.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

ballsalsa said:

I think it is important to point out why medicaid is being used in this example as opposed to medicare.
Medicare is paid for through payroll taxes.
Medicaid is paid for through appropriation.

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And Bernie proposed paying for Medicare for all through payroll taxes, which would work.

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