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Mckenna stoned ape theory
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Why do you, or why do you not believe this theory to be correct?
Wanted to get some more modern day opinions.
If you posted your belief on a previous thread don't feel obliged to, but if you want to i would be happy.



Here is a short video, could not find a good article really elaborating on it.

Edited by Ancestoralbeings (12/04/16 10:23 PM)

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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: WhoManBeing]
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WhoManBeing said:
Post an article detailing what this "stoned ape" theory is. Would help with response.


Thanks, couldn't find a good written article so i posted a video. Let me know if you have any good ones you know of and i'll post it in the description.

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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
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I had once hear of the idea that psychedelic plants and mushrooms could have played a very important part in the evolution of us. It is very likely, in my opinion, that ancient primates came in contact with these drugs. Over thousands, if not millions of years these compound could permanently alter brain chemicals and function. To me it makes perfect sense that "we are an ape in a symbiotic relationship with a mushroom" From a Mudvayne song, but still food for thought.


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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: TheMadHatter420]
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I imagine any alteration in are diet affects how we develop. Like the abundance of amino acids essential for brain development that are present in meats. L


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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: Ultron]
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Yes that is true. A lot of main stream science attributes that to our evolution.


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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: TheMadHatter420]
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You've got to be a pretty stoned ape to believe in the stoned ape theory, imho.


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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: Matai]
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So what is your opinion for how modern man came to be?


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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: TheMadHatter420]
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I believe in McKenna's theory. You literally are what you eat.
And yes I'm stoned also, and tripping.


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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: Headrush]
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I was gona trip tonight, man I should have just done it.


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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: TheMadHatter420]
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Only 3 gram's and I got the full ride tonight. Listened to Pink Floyd's Division Bell few times. It's amazing how you get really poweful experience on mid dose. Just kept coming in waves, Wow


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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
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Ancestoralbeings said:
Why do you, or why do you not believe this theory to be correct?
Wanted to get some more modern day opinions.
If you posted your belief on a previous thread don't feel obliged to, but if you want to i would be happy.



I think the basis of Terrence Mckennas idea was correct to think more critically about how biology is intertwined with thoughts and emotions but the way he went about answering it was wrong.

Humans are sentient animals and we evolved so it's safe to say that sentience evolved too. One question that still needs to be answered is how sentience evolved and I believe it was due to the continued use of entheogens like magic mushrooms which are anxiolytic(sympathomimetic) and act to stimulate the sympathetic nervous system which eventually numbs it and reduces the responsiveness of the fight or flight response.

It is the action of inhibiting the responsiveness of the fight or flight response that I believe gave our hominid ancestors the right frame of mind and amount of sensational control to compare and conceptualise good and bad experiences which would help to develop a sense of morality, a conscience and eventual sentience.



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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: sudly]
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Correction.  It is not a "theory".  It is a hypothesis.


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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: Headrush]
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Headrush said:
I believe in McKenna's theory. You literally are what you eat.
And yes I'm stoned also, and tripping.


the body is what you dont shit.


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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: The Blind Ass]
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Terrence Mckenna's idea is a hypothesis but I'm advocating for a modernised interpretation of Triune Brain theory that explores and links different aspects of theoretical work from Julian Jaynes, Paul D. Maclean and Sigmund Freud.

One that describes the human 'spirit' as a 3 part experience of body and mind that consists of logic from the neocortex and forebrain, emotion from the limbic system, cardiovascular system and heart and finally intuition and instinct from the gut and Autonomic Nervous System.

The modern model of the Triune Brain is a mix of Plato's Tripartite Soul, Paul D.Macleans Triune Brain and Sigmund Freud's Tripartite Personality.






If there is any simple way to interpret this model of the human experience it is through this definition of Freudian theory.
  • Super Ego is your judgement.
  • Ego is your heart feelings.
  • ID is your gut feelings.






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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: sudly]
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A great speech from a surprising man.
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"I learned that what we see is not universal truth, it is not objective reality, what we see is a unique personal virtually reality that is masterfully constructed by our brain.

What you see is a complex mental construction of your own making but you experience it passively as a direct representation of the world around you, you create your own reality and you believe it.

What's worse than being blind is having sight but no vision."




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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: Matai]
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Matai said:
You've got to be a pretty stoned ape to believe in the stoned ape theory, imho.


You've got to be pretty conditioned to say something like that.

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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
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As far as I can tell, it simply isn't supported academically or scientifically, which is pretty much the last word as far as I'm concerned.


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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: Matai]
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People always say that yet they never give examples or reasoning.

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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: Matai]
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Matai said:
As far as I can tell, it simply isn't supported academically or scientifically, which is pretty much the last word as far as I'm concerned.


Never seen any of that anywhere.

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