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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: Konnrade]
    #5277146 - 02/08/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

hmm interesting.... it has never really sparked your interest huh?

im really surprised at that...


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5277181 - 02/08/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'd say I am actually interested in it, I've just done a LOT of procrastinating about when I'm actually going to start learning about it.


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5277341 - 02/08/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Welll....

Technically to be characterized as a Doctor (Dr) you must get a PhD. So ,Terrence McKenna is no Dr of any sort.He got a Bachelor of Science in Ecology and conservation...


My personal opinion is to be leery (ha!) of Dr Leary and McKenna. Take what they say with a pinch of salt. While their hypothesis (look up the 8 circuit model of Leary) being glossy,imaginative,fascinating i wonder if they indeed said anything of substance. Yes, their hypothesis have lots of appeal for someone into psychedelics mostly because they

a) support,congratulate and most of all offer excuses for their use (look up the Stoned Ape hypothesis of McKenna)

b)Speak of "higher" consciousness (Higher? Lower? is Consciousness on a Y axis,on a single axis?) such as the 6,7,8 circuits of Leary

C) are simply catchy although new agey.... McKenna involves extraterrestrials ,a theme rather favorite in our times , and Leary kind of involves ...Buddhahood . So they "catch" both paranormal/scientif/extraterrestrial interests and theological/philosophical sides.

Personally i would read their hypothesis as a "light reading material". Good bedtime books,they give dreams full of fantasy.

Follower beware :laugh:

(The above is my personal opinion, not a rather popular opinion in here)


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: Psiloman]
    #5277379 - 02/08/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hehe, there are people here with 10's of thousands of posts who don't know such things, I certainly haven't read as much Mckenna as I'd like... or leary either, though I know a good amount about both of them. Some people are really fanatics about mckenna. He raises some very interesting points, but I really just don't buy a lot of his ideas. Still, his points are very much worth thinking about.

I've heard that a lot of the more scientific aspects of his work are directly from his brother Dennis, who seemed to be a bit more 'in touch' with the scientific world. Terrance just had the amazing ability to piece that into his own works, and make it damn interesting in the process.

As far as ball busting, hehe, I have some fun, but I try to make for interesting conversation in the process. :smile: I just found it humorous, I just woke up, saw interesting fact and mckenna in the subject, considered the odds of it being "all fact" and clicked the link... and the first thing my eyes caught was extraterrestrial. :smile: I of course read the rest before responding.

There are times that I "ball bust" in a very serious manner, but that's usually in ODD where people are putting their health at serious risk, or severely breaking important rules like source releated ones. Around here, it's normally poking fun at people who ask something that they could've searched and found the exact question, and exact answer 20 times. A few times I've posted dozens of appropriate links I found by searching, but it's a bit time consuming. :smile:


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5277414 - 02/08/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Myself, from the little bit I do know of Leary I can say that it does sound like he includes a lot of wishful thinking. Things that are cool or that make you wonder but aren't really of much substance in themselves. It all sounds kind of like a sort of gratifying and appealing "what if?" and sounds too great to be true. However, with his background as a professor I know he has experience with academia, so no doubt some of what he says may very well be rational.

McKenna I don't really know about though, at all. So as far as I'm concerned I am 0% qualified to even think about commenting on him.


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: Konnrade]
    #5277490 - 02/08/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Leary had good intentions, but tons of wishful thinking. He really fucked things up on a lot of levels, but it's easier to be judgemental in hindsight. He was on the front in the beginning of this whole mess. He was wrong, but he did believe in what he was doing.

He seemed to be a lot more sensible in his earlier days... late 50s, early 60s. His conversations with huxley were much more socially responsible, much more concern as to how the public views these things, and how we affect that. This was likely thanks to huxley's approach to the subject in part. Makes me wonder how things would've gone if he'd lived another decade.


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5277532 - 02/08/06 01:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

After reading a collection of interviews that McKenna did, I truly believe Terrence McKenna was completely off his rocker.

He should have taken far fewer doses of everything.


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5277579 - 02/08/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

elgr... i know its all in fun!

i only recently read an article last night and today about mckenna... an boy it through me for a loop. i cant wait to get into more of his work... is he alive or dead?

i dont think him or his brother for that matter was at the symposium... his brother could have been im not sure.

yes he was off his rocker... but once again that goes to the saying... that all geniuses are considered madmen.


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"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5277598 - 02/08/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"i dont think him or his brother for that matter was at the symposium... his brother could have been im not sure."

No, he wouldn't be... on account of having died from brain cancer a few years ago...

You think he's nutty on paper? Get one of his CDs. Man, his voice. He's way out there.


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5277600 - 02/08/06 01:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

and i thought i seen somewhere that he was a dr... thats why i put it.
sorry guys.


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5277607 - 02/08/06 01:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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agoutihead said:
is he alive or dead?



Dead

Quote:

agoutihead said:
yes he was off his rocker... but once again that goes to the saying... that all geniuses are considered madmen.



Yes, maybe, but not all madmen are geniuses.


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5277618 - 02/08/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"and i thought i seen somewhere that he was a dr... thats why i put it."

Yeah, he's no more a legitimate doctor than Dr. Hunter S. Thompson (key=legitimate). But, I don't think terrance ever referred to himself as one.


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5277630 - 02/08/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

wow brain cancer... thats gotta be bad. i mean any kind of cancer is.

elgr was his brother at the symposium... for some reason i think he was? once again i could be wrong.


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: agoutihead]
    #5277646 - 02/08/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It does ring a bell.


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5277654 - 02/08/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

HAHA~! yeah, definitely brain candy... some interesting things to think over.. but in no way should be accepted as truth simply because they come from the mouths of Grand-Icons in psychedelic culture.

I personally have no interest in reading Leary's stuff. I think the man did a better job of alienating mainstream society from these substances than he did of incorperating them.

I've read bits and peices of McKenna's "Food of the Gods" and found it quite fascinating! I really do think that he raises interesting issues. He makes it quite apparent that we need to investigate what the relationship between early human evolution, spirituality, and psychoactives exactly is. I mean, I even saw on the discovery channel a program about neanderthals that had a whole scene of them tripping out on Datura. So the idea that early humans traveling acrossed the plains of Africa, following herds of cattle, might have eaten a few dung loving shrooms isn't so crazy.

Honestly, I have much more respect for Dr. Shulgin. The work he has done is absolutely incredible and he is on the front-lines in the fight to get psychedelics to be used in therapy and as tools to explore consciousness in legitimate scientific settings. He has no interest in the underground culture, he isn't trying to turn on the world. He is a scientist who is trying to find an appropriate place for these substances in mainstream western society. Reading TiHKAL and PiHKAL has literally changed my life in a very practical way. I doubt that any quacky theories by Leary or McKenna could be anything more then intellectual entertainment for me.


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: dr0mni]
    #5277673 - 02/08/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i would like to read both pihkal and tihkal.. but am worried there is too much "chemistry" talk... as i am not knowledgable about that what so ever really.


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"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

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"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: dr0mni]
    #5277674 - 02/08/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

http://www.rinf.com/articles/Terence-Mckenna.htm

This site is amazing for learing about Terence McKenna. They have alot of reading material and audio clips that you can listen too.


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: dr0mni]
    #5277726 - 02/08/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Try Info-Psychology by Tim Leary, and then get back to us on that. It is a little harder to find but well worth it.

I hate it when people say, oh, yeah Leary was pretty sensible for a while but then later on he cracked out. Read some books, if you say you haven't read Leary and condemn it as intellectual entertainment, well that is a fool move if ever I heard one. Kind of reminds me of: why, I shouldn't take psychedelics, everyone who does goes strange. Not to say Leary was completely right or anything, just that he could present and use information well. And I don't think he got crazier as the time went on. I think after he took his first heaping teaspoonful of powdered sugar LSD, he was off the mainstream rocker, and that is where he stayed.

I like how people in this thread got lost in the semantics of "higher consciousness." Thinking too hard?


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: dr0mni]
    #5277736 - 02/08/06 02:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Honestly, I have much more respect for Dr. Shulgin.




And Dr David E. Nichols ,and Dr Stanislav Groff and Dr Rick Doblin , people that while not extensively known within psychedelic circles (well at least at the average psychedelic circle) have worked and are working on psychedelics each one in his own level.One tackling seriously how the act on the brain and neurochemistry,the other their context in therapy and psychoanalysis and last but not least the resume of academic based study on psychedelics..


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Re: very interesting fact about mushrooms by dr. terence mckenna.... [Re: mecreateme]
    #5277740 - 02/08/06 02:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

referring to mckenna talking about aliens and extraterestials and the spores coming from outerspace...

this is just another "cosmic idea" about creation is all it is... he is still referring to a "greater power" but he just calls his aliens... which technically they/it would be since they are not from this earth... or from our dimension.


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"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann


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