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Invisiblesudly
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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23898233 - 12/05/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

And yeah opium has been used by humans for at least 30,000 years while alcohol was first brewed around 10,000 years ago.


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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: sudly]
    #23898239 - 12/05/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Alcohol was first consumed by humans the moment they discovered fermented fruit. Even animals occasionally eat fermented fruit, it's not uncommon. Humans have been consuming alcohol for as far back as you want to go.


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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: nooneman]
    #23898254 - 12/05/16 08:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

People used psychoactives before they started fermenting fruit but nice try.


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Invisiblesudly
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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: nooneman]
    #23898265 - 12/05/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Some animals may eat fermented fruits but that doesn't mean a lot of animals do it or that there are an abundance of places with fruits that ferment enough to be safe or do anything to the animals that consume them.

Mmmmhmmmmmm don't you feel thirsty for some fruity alcohol!


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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: nooneman]
    #23898721 - 12/05/16 11:58 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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nooneman said:
If any drug has had an impact on human evolution, it would be alcohol not psychedelics. Humans have been consuming alcohol longer than they have been consuming any other drug, and given how potentially destructive alcohol is on the body, it would make sense for it to have had an impact over the millennia.



that is 100% just not true.

Imagine you are a an early hominid being. You see an old rotten looking fruit, and a beautiful mushroom growing out of the ground. Which one do you choose.

And tell me specifically what role alcohol played in evolution according to you.


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Re: Mckenna stoned ape theory [Re: Ancestoralbeings]
    #23898730 - 12/06/16 12:07 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I think his theory is right, simply due to the fact since taking psychedelics i've gotten increasingly smarter and able to understand things with little effort even if the language isn't native to me, i can just do everything a lot better than before i used them, if anything had made people smarter and more open to new ideas (creation of language etc) it's mushrooms i would put at the forefront of it, cannabis is similar, they seem to open new connections, it can actually be quite anxiety provoking all the information flowing freely, i notice a lot of people who start these things end up anxious because they can see all the bullshit that goes on around them when before it was invisible, pointless wars etc, before people didn't really care they just went about their daily lives but the majority of my social circle are psychedelic or cannabis users and i can tell a massive difference between those who are and those who are not, the users are more 'people based' where the non users in general tend to be more focused on making money for themselves not trying to spread awareness of things n tryna solve the worlds problems, i used to be the same till i took mushrooms so there is evidence for this in my eyes, i find people who use psychedelics properly are in general a lot smarter in certain aspects of the world, less of a self driven existence and more of a whole existence, the anxiety is fucking annoying though i gotta admit but i'd rather be anxious and awake than ignorant and asleep


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With each containing one of the following:
Cyanide... Psilocin... Would you take the risk?
Didn't think so.

This is why Positive Identification prior to consumption is important.


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