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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: natedawgnow]
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i only started researching him after i already had some experiences with shrooms and dmt, recently found a huge collection of talks he gave over the years
Ive listened to a bunch of those so far, sadly the audio is kinda bad on most, and while i agree with many of his ideas theres also really cringeworthy parts to the point where i have to shut it off, especially his strange 60s feminism

Like mycophile said earlier, you have to respect his eloquence if nothing else

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thoraxx]
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teenagehippie said:
Someone has to be that guy if the word is to spread. I'm sure all of you know what I mean about pretentious psych users...It's understandable because the more you trip the more you feel disassociated from the average human -almost more god-like. (Any jesus' here? lololol)

I think the more and more a person trips the more they will agree with him, but that's due to a general increase in a persons craziness/lunacy as much as the obvious stuff (enlightenment, social tolerence etc).

Then again, crazy is often just misunderstood, and when talking about this stuff; where does the crazy line lie?

jesuisravi said:
A huge part of what I have heard him say on Youtube is just not in my sphere of interest. I don't hear that part. When he talks about his personal experience with mushrooms, however, I take heed. I agree with the guy who said 5 gram doses with pot may not be for everybody--certainly not for me--but, hey, there are heads of iron out there who can take it that way!
I listen to McKenna most of the time because I like his way with words. Also, he had an off-the-wall sense of humor.



:dawerp:


This all sounds just like something he would have said  :tmckenna:

I totally know that feel of 'disassociated from the average human' I feel like an alien from an advanced civilization in an Alabama trailer park living in the world, I see and hear so much idiot bullshit it saddens me, its all shrooms fault.
I can't even remember any of his stuff that I didn't relate to, it all just went in one ear and out the other - however, did any of you catch any of Nicole Maxwell's stuff? Talking about herbs from the amazon? One in particular really interests me, she mentioned an herb that would 'dissolve a troublesome tooth' with no pain, extracting the root, and a natural contraceptive.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: drege] * 1
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Yup he's more of a good influence than a bad one for sure, he had some nice points

It seems these drugs make people a little crazy and a little right in what they say too, the crazy part is when the user thinks all the worlds problems can be solved with the drug

John Lennon, Mckenna, Timothy Leary , who hasn't thought that?

Anyone who has taken enough LSD, but when they come down again they realize the world cannot be solved with a drug, there's no quick fix for anything

LSD makes you understand the mind, but only if you already understand it, seems predestined

It shows you yourself, that's why some get out crazy, some come out as a buddhist

Only those ready do trip usually and come out of it whole, they were seeking for the drug


What would happen if nonseekers started taking it?
I'm not sure it would be better than alcohol, humanity isn't ready

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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Humanity is ready to awaken slightly without drugs it seems though...

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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I think anyone can become a bad influence whenever they start to become worshiped. Could argue the same for many role models and leaders. I don't think McKenna intended to mislead people, but people's attention prob fed his fantasies a bit. Either way, a lot of what he said was golden and expressed in ways many people have difficulty imagining. He was a good story teller and catalyzed  my interest in psychedelics. But I don't quote him or reference him any more than Leary or Watts or other modern spiritual leaders. It's the ideas that matter and the ideas were around before the speakers and will linger long after them.

I think what you're more frustrated with is when people talk and act like they're enlightened, but just quote enlightened ideas without actually implementing them or missing a bigger picture. I agree a more personal approach to spirituality is probably more beneficial than reciting anyone else.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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lessismore said:
Humanity is ready to awaken slightly without drugs it seems though...


Why because we're collectively focusing on our differences and letting the media lead us into a variable global race riot?


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: drege]
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drege said:
lessismore said:
Humanity is ready to awaken slightly without drugs it seems though...


Why because we're collectively focusing on our differences and letting the media lead us into a variable global race riot?


We're not letting anything happen, the media displays what the public wants to see most, if people stopped watching, they'd change. It's all greed of humans.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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Terence McKenna was a fucking badass. A great influence, that being said no I don't agree with everything he says. I enjoyed his gift of gab, comments on culture & psychedelics, his enthusiasm & hope , I even quite enjoy his stoned ape theory.


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In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true is true or becomes true, within certain limits to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to be transcended. In the mind, there are no limits.- John C. Lilly

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: caman]
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He says a lot that it's only a coincidence he's sitting in front on the audience rather than the other way around. He always seemed very humble and wanted to get the word out about these things that can change the way you view the world for the better.
He was actually saying create your own world break free of the construct inside your head.
There's a cage that surrounds you and it's bars are inside of your head. 

Listen to some of his lectures on youtube. I thought like that too until I listened to 10 hours of Mckenna on acid. He was a skeptic who became convinced by "it" the "mushroom/dmt" that there is more to reality than he thought.
How is it fair to categorize someone based on other people's opinions on them?
If you slipped 100 years into the future would people look at you like themselves or like some sort of primitive?



If you think he was trying to be some kind of authority figure watch this 17 second long clip.





thewanderer25 said:
I just think we should make our own ideas and then share them with others making sure they know that its just your psychedelic experience and yours may be highly different than theirs. However feel free to follow him just know it may be better to form your own opinions than spout his.






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Edited by Eggtimer (07/15/15 01:20 AM)

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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lessismore said:
thewanderer25 said:
All day long I hear about Terence Mckenna what he says does and advises and it disgusts me. To me psychedelics are about finding your own path they show you that its ok to be different and think differently and to follow what he says is just following somebody.

It seems so sad that we will listen to him and not find our own path through psychedelics. Is not the whole point of using an ego shattering compound to find yourself and find your own path? I just think he is a bad influence because people always quote him and his reasons for doing the psychedelics may be different than yours or mine so he really doesn't know.

I just think we should make our own ideas and then share them with others making sure they know that its just your psychedelic experience and yours may be highly different than theirs. However feel free to follow him just know it may be better to form your own opinions than spout his.


ANYONE is a bad influence, Alan Watts is just as bad an influence, if not more

Mckenna doesn't force you to see a certain way, he just tells stories of his adventures


Reading trip reports is the #1 destructive experience , next is watching tv/hearing radio , and being around people you feel bad around


Trip your own way, don't watch tv or trip reports


Dude, what?
Reading trip reports is awesome.
Whats the problem with it exactly?


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: Oeric McKenna]
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I've always seen Terence McKenna as a charismatic story teller than a leader or role model. He raised some good points, and I've always thought his stoned ape theory has some validity, but he had a tendency to get carried away for the sake of an appealing narrative. His brother Dennis would be a much better source of good advise, and as far as a role model goes, I've always admired Aldous Huxley. Timothy Leary was a far more potentially dangerous role model than McKenna IMO. He also had some good ideas, but his approach to spreading the psychedelic experience I find reckless and naive, especially considering his sway as an academic.

Also, I realize that one should avoid developing preconceived notions concerning psychedelics because of their subjective and abstract nature, but abandoning trip reports as an educational tool is foolish IMO.

Edited by Starless (07/15/15 05:00 AM)

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: drege]
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drege said:
I don't get you guys, he's dead and you do not like what he said, why make threads and reply to threads to agree that you don't like him…..


Contrarianism.
People get kicks out of pointing their fingers and claiming intellectual or moral superiority by rejecting something 'other'.

I'm doing it right now, by pointing that out.

But there is a pattern of certain people who take a particular drug heavily
being "contrived contrarian" more than most, because that drug increases their insecurity and dissatisfaction.
Spreading arguments is one way of sharing their misery around.

I think McKenna was mostly brilliant and amusing.
I find it ridiculous to suggest that a strong dose of shrooms is 'heroic', but it makes me laugh and I think I understand the sentiment.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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I'm not a huge fan of his but I do listen to a few lectures now and then and as far as I've heard he never advised anything at all. He speaks about his experiences and his theories. I also respect his opinions simply because he's 'been down the rabbit hole' as he likes to say. You're probably just upset because your friend is taking in some of his ideas. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. I think that we should look for individual answers, but a lot of times other people have reached a conclusion on a similar problem, nothing wrong with agreeing with them.


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You came out of this world like a wave comes out from the ocean, you are not a stranger here. -Alan Watts

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: Oeric McKenna] * 1
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Oeric McKenna said:
Dude, what?
Reading trip reports is awesome.
Whats the problem with it exactly?


Trip reports program your mind, and there are plenty of ego trip reports out there, they are more common than the non-ego ones

So they will speak to your ego, so you want to see the same as them, and preferably more

Then you come back and write just how much you saw

Then they trip again and try to see more than you

But it was all induced by your trip report, they saw what you told them to see

They now know they must take 50mg of DMT to see god


Trip reports can be dangerous, just like Joe Rogan/Mckenna can be to listen to
I like Mckenna for relaxed listening though, and he is not about ego usually, humble and polite and very casual to listen to as one of the few speakers, that's why I like him

But you could find many who will speak how 'spiritual' they got from just taking this drug, so now you must take same dose to get equally spiritual. Pseudospirituality. Pseudo new age stuff etc.


Trip reports are just bad for your mind, they stay there for long.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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Obviously there would be no problem reading trip reports if you didn't take drugs that destabilize your ego and focus on your subconscious...

But having a subconscious programming experience like that(reading report reports) just before your trip , makes no sense to me

Unless you want to condition your mind

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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You act like taking any drug or reading about any drug experience automatically programs your mind. It doesn't work like that at all. Reading reports will certainly influence your expectations and also the experience to a degree. But it's not a direct relation and no one is stupid enough to think this exact dose will equal these exact effects for everyone else.

Trip reports were a very useful resource to me when looking into psychedelics for the first time. I never would have trusted them or been interested otherwise. But I have enough personal experience now that reports don't have much influence on me, I know what it's like. Still, it's nice seeing some universal tripping traits expressed through other peoples experiences. They're relatable, but not programmable.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: Icon]
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Maybe he's not the best for psychedelic advice, but the rest of it is good. Culture is not your friend, create your own roadshow, reality is a conundrum, made of language, we could be like characters in a story, magic/fairyland is real...

and most of all he said...

GO OFF ON YOUR OWN AND TRY TO FIGURE IT ALL OUT BECAUSE NO ONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS HAPPENING

RADICAL FREEDOM IS THE KIND OF FREEDOM I'M PUSHING HERE, INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM TO STEER NOT ONLY ONE'S OWN LIFE BUT THE FATE OF THE SPECIES

completely contradicting your opinion of him.


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Edited by circastes (07/15/15 10:25 AM)

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: circastes]
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He WAS genius to some parts, and maybe slightly mad too, but definitely genius, he figured stuff out - and his way of wording things spoke genius - very gifted with communication :-)

Very good philosopher IMO , or shamanistic philosopher

I'd say his words are my words for the most, I haven't disagreed with him yet except his 2012 thing as the only thing

Very down to earth, and that's the beauty of schizophrenia, sometimes people with this 'sickness'/gift can be down to earth and very spiritual

I know another one with schizophrenia through my brother, and he is 99% like Mckenna, 5hr philosophies at night, reads wikipedia each night for 20 years and memorizes 100% then starts a 5 hour debate about each article (he is a bus driver) :-P

I like people who are that clever with words, and both Mckenna and that guy I know are that clever/brilliant with words

If everyone was questioning reality like Mckenna in our generation, our world would be very different, more awakened for sure , but maybe also too philosophical

That's the downside to the guy I know too, he can be MUCH too philosophical, he can't stop debating, but it's always very interesting thoughts

On the other hand I know another with schizophrenia who has completely random thoughts and it drives me a bit mad to be around him, too many thoughts, and not interesting either (he smokes weed daily - and I feel that is the cause... so he keeps getting more and more thoughts) . Very unpleasant for me to be around him sometimes, dunno why, and good at other times.


I really have no need for Watts, Mckenna says what I need to hear. Btw. I cannot read what Icon said as he's on ignore.

Positive people cheer me up, but not just positive, preferably down to earth too - positive is nothing worth if it's all up in the clouds with no grounding to Earth..

Edited by lessismore (07/15/15 11:02 AM)

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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Err...  make your own roadshow?

The guy wasn't a God but I don't think he acted like one either.  I don't agree with everything he says but I don't hate on him either.

I mean, he helped to popularize both DMT and Mushrooms.  Helped people learn how to cultivate mushrooms.  No, he's not God.  But he did a lot of good for the psychedelic community.

We shouldn't worship anyone and I get that there's a lot of hero worship when it comes to McKenna but come on...  Bad Influence?!?


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To knock their fairy castles down?  ~ Eliza Cook

It's rather embarrassing to have given one's entire life to pondering the human predicament and to find that in the end one has little more to say than, 'Try to be a little kinder.' ~Aldous Huxley

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: drege]
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drege said:
“Half the time you think your thinking you’re actually listening”



That's pretty fuckin' deep right there..


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