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Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence...
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All day long I hear about Terence Mckenna what he says does and advises and it disgusts me. To me psychedelics are about finding your own path they show you that its ok to be different and think differently and to follow what he says is just following somebody.

It seems so sad that we will listen to him and not find our own path through psychedelics. Is not the whole point of using an ego shattering compound to find yourself and find your own path? I just think he is a bad influence because people always quote him and his reasons for doing the psychedelics may be different than yours or mine so he really doesn't know.

I just think we should make our own ideas and then share them with others making sure they know that its just your psychedelic experience and yours may be highly different than theirs. However feel free to follow him just know it may be better to form your own opinions than spout his.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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Personally I think the guy was a massive nerd not to be followed in any way shape or manner

Sure you can read up on his ideas and get what you can from it, but that dude is not a role model no way no how

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: cube talk]
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Where are you hanging out where your exposed to such a high level of McKenna saturation that your warring against it? If you don't align with his philosophies then don't rent him space in your mind, do what you want in spite of what you perceive as a pressure from his life path; shit, he even said many times 'don't take my word for it, you'd be a fool to just blindly listen to me, do what you want'
He advocated self improvement be it buy psychedelics or yoga or religion, though he had bad experiences with organized religion.
I personally like what he spoke of, I don't aspire to take "heroic doses" but I'm not opposed to it.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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The way people idolize him is truly insane. He is one of the last people I would take advice from regarding psychedelics.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: SteveRogers] * 1
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I don't get you guys, he's dead and you do not like what he said, why make threads and reply to threads to agree that you don't like him, seems like your wasting your time.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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Thankfully i never got into the whole McKenna thing, i just got into shrooms :wink:

I think he was a very smart guy and he would be one of the first to admit he has no actual authority on the subject

What makes me cringe is when people thinking smoking Cannabis on the come up of 5gs cubes in silent darkness is 'the way' to do it cause that's what he described, he never actually gave this as advice but as far as advice goes its among some of the worst anyone could get, even if you blaze daily combining it with psychedelics is no trivial matter

Also all the talk about visions and the rare mention of spirituality made me very skeptical of McKennas intentions, i'm sure he would encourage such skepticism considering his own sketicism of gurus etc... all in all i think he was a cool guy but any spokesperson for these things is going to fall short really, i take it all with a grain of salt, the only thing i take seriously is the entheogens themselves


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: Chronic7]
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I don't understand it either really, some of his talks are a little "odd" and hard to follow.  He makes a few good points but a lot of it is rambling and yes he did give some bad advice IMO.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: sarahnya]
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“If you don't have a plan, you become part of somebody else's plan.”

“My technique is don’t believe anything. If you believe in something, you are automatically precluded from believing its opposite.”

“Half the time you think your thinking you’re actually listening”

“The problem is not to find the answer, it's to face the answer”

“Nothing comes unannounced, but many can miss the announcement. So it's very important to actually listen to your own intuition rather than driving through it.”


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: Chronic7]
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The Chronic said:
even if you blaze daily combining it with psychedelics is no trivial matter


Idk man I smoke weed like cigs on acid. Its really weird it doesn't get you stoned it just makes the hallucinations stronger and more colorful. I may elaborate further on this subject but I just came out of hyperspace and my head's still spinning.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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thewanderer25 said:
The Chronic said:
even if you blaze daily combining it with psychedelics is no trivial matter


Idk man I smoke weed like cigs on acid. Its really weird it doesn't get you stoned it just makes the hallucinations stronger and more colorful. I may elaborate further on this subject but I just came out of hyperspace and my head's still spinning.


Ya I pre roll at LEAST 15 joints and leisurely enjoy them as the trip unfolds. don't know what the fuss is.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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I really don't know where you are getting the idea that he is a bad influence, listening to mckenna is what propelled my interest in psychedelics. What i hear when listening to his talks is profound appreciation and respect for psychedelics. He has always promoted using psychedelics as self exploration and learning tools.

I just feel he was sharing his own personal views and ideas about his experiences and encouraging others to have their own.

just my 2 cents.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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speak for yourself. Not all of us listen to Mckenna religiously.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: Tweakz] * 2
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He's only a bad influence if you're weak minded and easily influenced, if you make up your own mind on things, he can offer some good advice to take away but can't influence you.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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He talks a lot of shit. As do I sometimes.

It's weird because the psych-exp is all about dissolution of ego and day-to-day illusions; and yet here he is our very own 'Celebrity psychonaut' lol.

Someone has to be that guy if the word is to spread. I'm sure all of you know what I mean about pretentious psych users...It's understandable because the more you trip the more you feel disassociated from the average human -almost more god-like. (Any jesus' here? lololol)

I think the more and more a person trips the more they will agree with him, but that's due to a general increase in a persons craziness/lunacy as much as the obvious stuff (enlightenment, social tolerence etc).

Then again, crazy is often just misunderstood, and when talking about this stuff; where does the crazy line lie?

:dawerp:

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: teenagehippie]
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He takes to long to get to the point. I find in his books he starts rambling to much. Iteresting guy though


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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McKenna was the last person in the world to set himself up as a guru. One time he said:To seek control is to take enormous aggravation upon oneself." (I realize that OP did not say that McKenna was setting himself up as guru, but that others are)
A huge part of what I have heard him say on Youtube is just not in my sphere of interest. I don't hear that part. When he talks about his personal experience with mushrooms, however, I take heed. I agree with the guy who said 5 gram doses with pot may not be for everybody--certainly not for me--but, hey, there are heads of iron out there who can take it that way!
I listen to McKenna most of the time because I like his way with words. Also, he had an off-the-wall sense of humor.


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Most of my beliefs I acquired from my father and from John Wayne, and anything that wasn't ultra tough and ultra cool was to me ultra embarrassing. In fact, I lived in a state of near continuous embarrassment, never measuring up to the ridiculous standards I had accepted without question, applied to a framework of expectations neither I nor anyone else could meet.--J C Amberchele

almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
― David Foster Wallace, Infinite Jest

Edited by jesuisravi (07/14/15 10:08 AM)

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: jesuisravi]
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I had a friend who was a total nut about him and yeah, it was annoying at the time. especially because sometimes his "biggest fans" can misunderstand his message.

I find his command of language and his ability to communicate pretty inspiring; He uses some $10 words, but not overly so. most of what he says is in plain english but incredibly well thought out and vividly presented. it's almost like he speaks in prose, to the point that i'm still occasionally gobsmacked to this day about how succinctly he can "english" the "un-engishable" as he might say.

Of course- he would be the first to tell you to take what he has to say with a grain of salt, and thats why I respect him. he doesn't give advice, he shares experiences. he was a story teller the the most classic sense of the term, and a phenomenal one. if you respect him for nothing else, try to respect his willingness to push boundaries, and do so in a tactful way.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25] * 1
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thewanderer25 said:
All day long I hear about Terence Mckenna what he says does and advises and it disgusts me. To me psychedelics are about finding your own path they show you that its ok to be different and think differently and to follow what he says is just following somebody.

It seems so sad that we will listen to him and not find our own path through psychedelics. Is not the whole point of using an ego shattering compound to find yourself and find your own path? I just think he is a bad influence because people always quote him and his reasons for doing the psychedelics may be different than yours or mine so he really doesn't know.

I just think we should make our own ideas and then share them with others making sure they know that its just your psychedelic experience and yours may be highly different than theirs. However feel free to follow him just know it may be better to form your own opinions than spout his.


ANYONE is a bad influence, Alan Watts is just as bad an influence, if not more

Mckenna doesn't force you to see a certain way, he just tells stories of his adventures


Reading trip reports is the #1 destructive experience , next is watching tv/hearing radio , and being around people you feel bad around


Trip your own way, don't watch tv or trip reports

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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Btw. you just revealed what the whole magic psychedelic club is about, "ego shattering compounds"

So they make you enlightened apparently? - able to see THE TRUTH, NO EGO etc. ?

You just programmed everyone who read your post


Personally I would have preferred ego distortion, because they don't always shatter the ego, they can distort it just as often, if not more often

Most doses amplify the ego it seems, that's why people get fear... , fear is the ego
Then they return to write how they saw god and how you can only see it if you take these drugs, that's ego again


There's no guarantee for an ego shattering experience, that is a programming of yours

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: Chronic7]
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The Chronic said:
What makes me cringe is when people thinking smoking Cannabis on the come up of 5gs cubes in silent darkness is 'the way' to do it cause that's what he described, he never actually gave this as advice but as far as advice goes its among some of the worst anyone could get, even if you blaze daily combining it with psychedelics is no trivial matter
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Uhhh I ALWAYS smoke herb when I decide to trip. Whether it be shrooms, acid (which I don't do anymore because everything is RC nowadays), DMT or ayahuasca/pharmahuasca. I smoke weed with them all and thoroughly enjoy it. Herb is awesome, how could this possibly be bad advice :justdontknow:


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Edited by natedawgnow (07/14/15 11:02 AM)

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