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Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence...
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All day long I hear about Terence Mckenna what he says does and advises and it disgusts me. To me psychedelics are about finding your own path they show you that its ok to be different and think differently and to follow what he says is just following somebody.

It seems so sad that we will listen to him and not find our own path through psychedelics. Is not the whole point of using an ego shattering compound to find yourself and find your own path? I just think he is a bad influence because people always quote him and his reasons for doing the psychedelics may be different than yours or mine so he really doesn't know.

I just think we should make our own ideas and then share them with others making sure they know that its just your psychedelic experience and yours may be highly different than theirs. However feel free to follow him just know it may be better to form your own opinions than spout his.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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Personally I think the guy was a massive nerd not to be followed in any way shape or manner

Sure you can read up on his ideas and get what you can from it, but that dude is not a role model no way no how

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: cube talk]
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Where are you hanging out where your exposed to such a high level of McKenna saturation that your warring against it? If you don't align with his philosophies then don't rent him space in your mind, do what you want in spite of what you perceive as a pressure from his life path; shit, he even said many times 'don't take my word for it, you'd be a fool to just blindly listen to me, do what you want'
He advocated self improvement be it buy psychedelics or yoga or religion, though he had bad experiences with organized religion.
I personally like what he spoke of, I don't aspire to take "heroic doses" but I'm not opposed to it.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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The way people idolize him is truly insane. He is one of the last people I would take advice from regarding psychedelics.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: SteveRogers] * 1
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I don't get you guys, he's dead and you do not like what he said, why make threads and reply to threads to agree that you don't like him, seems like your wasting your time.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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Thankfully i never got into the whole McKenna thing, i just got into shrooms :wink:

I think he was a very smart guy and he would be one of the first to admit he has no actual authority on the subject

What makes me cringe is when people thinking smoking Cannabis on the come up of 5gs cubes in silent darkness is 'the way' to do it cause that's what he described, he never actually gave this as advice but as far as advice goes its among some of the worst anyone could get, even if you blaze daily combining it with psychedelics is no trivial matter

Also all the talk about visions and the rare mention of spirituality made me very skeptical of McKennas intentions, i'm sure he would encourage such skepticism considering his own sketicism of gurus etc... all in all i think he was a cool guy but any spokesperson for these things is going to fall short really, i take it all with a grain of salt, the only thing i take seriously is the entheogens themselves


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: Chronic7]
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I don't understand it either really, some of his talks are a little "odd" and hard to follow.  He makes a few good points but a lot of it is rambling and yes he did give some bad advice IMO.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: sarahnya]
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“If you don't have a plan, you become part of somebody else's plan.”

“My technique is don’t believe anything. If you believe in something, you are automatically precluded from believing its opposite.”

“Half the time you think your thinking you’re actually listening”

“The problem is not to find the answer, it's to face the answer”

“Nothing comes unannounced, but many can miss the announcement. So it's very important to actually listen to your own intuition rather than driving through it.”


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: Chronic7]
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The Chronic said:
even if you blaze daily combining it with psychedelics is no trivial matter


Idk man I smoke weed like cigs on acid. Its really weird it doesn't get you stoned it just makes the hallucinations stronger and more colorful. I may elaborate further on this subject but I just came out of hyperspace and my head's still spinning.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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thewanderer25 said:
The Chronic said:
even if you blaze daily combining it with psychedelics is no trivial matter


Idk man I smoke weed like cigs on acid. Its really weird it doesn't get you stoned it just makes the hallucinations stronger and more colorful. I may elaborate further on this subject but I just came out of hyperspace and my head's still spinning.


Ya I pre roll at LEAST 15 joints and leisurely enjoy them as the trip unfolds. don't know what the fuss is.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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I really don't know where you are getting the idea that he is a bad influence, listening to mckenna is what propelled my interest in psychedelics. What i hear when listening to his talks is profound appreciation and respect for psychedelics. He has always promoted using psychedelics as self exploration and learning tools.

I just feel he was sharing his own personal views and ideas about his experiences and encouraging others to have their own.

just my 2 cents.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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speak for yourself. Not all of us listen to Mckenna religiously.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: Tweakz] * 2
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He's only a bad influence if you're weak minded and easily influenced, if you make up your own mind on things, he can offer some good advice to take away but can't influence you.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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He talks a lot of shit. As do I sometimes.

It's weird because the psych-exp is all about dissolution of ego and day-to-day illusions; and yet here he is our very own 'Celebrity psychonaut' lol.

Someone has to be that guy if the word is to spread. I'm sure all of you know what I mean about pretentious psych users...It's understandable because the more you trip the more you feel disassociated from the average human -almost more god-like. (Any jesus' here? lololol)

I think the more and more a person trips the more they will agree with him, but that's due to a general increase in a persons craziness/lunacy as much as the obvious stuff (enlightenment, social tolerence etc).

Then again, crazy is often just misunderstood, and when talking about this stuff; where does the crazy line lie?

:dawerp:

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: teenagehippie]
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He takes to long to get to the point. I find in his books he starts rambling to much. Iteresting guy though


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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McKenna was the last person in the world to set himself up as a guru. One time he said:To seek control is to take enormous aggravation upon oneself." (I realize that OP did not say that McKenna was setting himself up as guru, but that others are)
A huge part of what I have heard him say on Youtube is just not in my sphere of interest. I don't hear that part. When he talks about his personal experience with mushrooms, however, I take heed. I agree with the guy who said 5 gram doses with pot may not be for everybody--certainly not for me--but, hey, there are heads of iron out there who can take it that way!
I listen to McKenna most of the time because I like his way with words. Also, he had an off-the-wall sense of humor.


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Most of my beliefs I acquired from my father and from John Wayne, and anything that wasn't ultra tough and ultra cool was to me ultra embarrassing. In fact, I lived in a state of near continuous embarrassment, never measuring up to the ridiculous standards I had accepted without question, applied to a framework of expectations neither I nor anyone else could meet.--J C Amberchele

almost nothing important that ever happens to you happens because you engineer it. Destiny has no beeper; destiny always leans trenchcoated out of an alley with some sort of 'psst' that you usually can't even hear because you're in such a rush to or from something important you've tried to engineer. ”
― David Foster Wallace, Infinite Jest

Edited by jesuisravi (07/14/15 10:08 AM)

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: jesuisravi]
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I had a friend who was a total nut about him and yeah, it was annoying at the time. especially because sometimes his "biggest fans" can misunderstand his message.

I find his command of language and his ability to communicate pretty inspiring; He uses some $10 words, but not overly so. most of what he says is in plain english but incredibly well thought out and vividly presented. it's almost like he speaks in prose, to the point that i'm still occasionally gobsmacked to this day about how succinctly he can "english" the "un-engishable" as he might say.

Of course- he would be the first to tell you to take what he has to say with a grain of salt, and thats why I respect him. he doesn't give advice, he shares experiences. he was a story teller the the most classic sense of the term, and a phenomenal one. if you respect him for nothing else, try to respect his willingness to push boundaries, and do so in a tactful way.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25] * 1
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thewanderer25 said:
All day long I hear about Terence Mckenna what he says does and advises and it disgusts me. To me psychedelics are about finding your own path they show you that its ok to be different and think differently and to follow what he says is just following somebody.

It seems so sad that we will listen to him and not find our own path through psychedelics. Is not the whole point of using an ego shattering compound to find yourself and find your own path? I just think he is a bad influence because people always quote him and his reasons for doing the psychedelics may be different than yours or mine so he really doesn't know.

I just think we should make our own ideas and then share them with others making sure they know that its just your psychedelic experience and yours may be highly different than theirs. However feel free to follow him just know it may be better to form your own opinions than spout his.


ANYONE is a bad influence, Alan Watts is just as bad an influence, if not more

Mckenna doesn't force you to see a certain way, he just tells stories of his adventures


Reading trip reports is the #1 destructive experience , next is watching tv/hearing radio , and being around people you feel bad around


Trip your own way, don't watch tv or trip reports

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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Btw. you just revealed what the whole magic psychedelic club is about, "ego shattering compounds"

So they make you enlightened apparently? - able to see THE TRUTH, NO EGO etc. ?

You just programmed everyone who read your post


Personally I would have preferred ego distortion, because they don't always shatter the ego, they can distort it just as often, if not more often

Most doses amplify the ego it seems, that's why people get fear... , fear is the ego
Then they return to write how they saw god and how you can only see it if you take these drugs, that's ego again


There's no guarantee for an ego shattering experience, that is a programming of yours

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: Chronic7]
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The Chronic said:
What makes me cringe is when people thinking smoking Cannabis on the come up of 5gs cubes in silent darkness is 'the way' to do it cause that's what he described, he never actually gave this as advice but as far as advice goes its among some of the worst anyone could get, even if you blaze daily combining it with psychedelics is no trivial matter
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Uhhh I ALWAYS smoke herb when I decide to trip. Whether it be shrooms, acid (which I don't do anymore because everything is RC nowadays), DMT or ayahuasca/pharmahuasca. I smoke weed with them all and thoroughly enjoy it. Herb is awesome, how could this possibly be bad advice :justdontknow:


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: natedawgnow]
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i only started researching him after i already had some experiences with shrooms and dmt, recently found a huge collection of talks he gave over the years
Ive listened to a bunch of those so far, sadly the audio is kinda bad on most, and while i agree with many of his ideas theres also really cringeworthy parts to the point where i have to shut it off, especially his strange 60s feminism

Like mycophile said earlier, you have to respect his eloquence if nothing else

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thoraxx]
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teenagehippie said:
Someone has to be that guy if the word is to spread. I'm sure all of you know what I mean about pretentious psych users...It's understandable because the more you trip the more you feel disassociated from the average human -almost more god-like. (Any jesus' here? lololol)

I think the more and more a person trips the more they will agree with him, but that's due to a general increase in a persons craziness/lunacy as much as the obvious stuff (enlightenment, social tolerence etc).

Then again, crazy is often just misunderstood, and when talking about this stuff; where does the crazy line lie?

jesuisravi said:
A huge part of what I have heard him say on Youtube is just not in my sphere of interest. I don't hear that part. When he talks about his personal experience with mushrooms, however, I take heed. I agree with the guy who said 5 gram doses with pot may not be for everybody--certainly not for me--but, hey, there are heads of iron out there who can take it that way!
I listen to McKenna most of the time because I like his way with words. Also, he had an off-the-wall sense of humor.



:dawerp:


This all sounds just like something he would have said  :tmckenna:

I totally know that feel of 'disassociated from the average human' I feel like an alien from an advanced civilization in an Alabama trailer park living in the world, I see and hear so much idiot bullshit it saddens me, its all shrooms fault.
I can't even remember any of his stuff that I didn't relate to, it all just went in one ear and out the other - however, did any of you catch any of Nicole Maxwell's stuff? Talking about herbs from the amazon? One in particular really interests me, she mentioned an herb that would 'dissolve a troublesome tooth' with no pain, extracting the root, and a natural contraceptive.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: drege] * 1
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Yup he's more of a good influence than a bad one for sure, he had some nice points

It seems these drugs make people a little crazy and a little right in what they say too, the crazy part is when the user thinks all the worlds problems can be solved with the drug

John Lennon, Mckenna, Timothy Leary , who hasn't thought that?

Anyone who has taken enough LSD, but when they come down again they realize the world cannot be solved with a drug, there's no quick fix for anything

LSD makes you understand the mind, but only if you already understand it, seems predestined

It shows you yourself, that's why some get out crazy, some come out as a buddhist

Only those ready do trip usually and come out of it whole, they were seeking for the drug


What would happen if nonseekers started taking it?
I'm not sure it would be better than alcohol, humanity isn't ready

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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Humanity is ready to awaken slightly without drugs it seems though...

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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I think anyone can become a bad influence whenever they start to become worshiped. Could argue the same for many role models and leaders. I don't think McKenna intended to mislead people, but people's attention prob fed his fantasies a bit. Either way, a lot of what he said was golden and expressed in ways many people have difficulty imagining. He was a good story teller and catalyzed  my interest in psychedelics. But I don't quote him or reference him any more than Leary or Watts or other modern spiritual leaders. It's the ideas that matter and the ideas were around before the speakers and will linger long after them.

I think what you're more frustrated with is when people talk and act like they're enlightened, but just quote enlightened ideas without actually implementing them or missing a bigger picture. I agree a more personal approach to spirituality is probably more beneficial than reciting anyone else.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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lessismore said:
Humanity is ready to awaken slightly without drugs it seems though...


Why because we're collectively focusing on our differences and letting the media lead us into a variable global race riot?


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: drege]
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drege said:
lessismore said:
Humanity is ready to awaken slightly without drugs it seems though...


Why because we're collectively focusing on our differences and letting the media lead us into a variable global race riot?


We're not letting anything happen, the media displays what the public wants to see most, if people stopped watching, they'd change. It's all greed of humans.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
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Terence McKenna was a fucking badass. A great influence, that being said no I don't agree with everything he says. I enjoyed his gift of gab, comments on culture & psychedelics, his enthusiasm & hope , I even quite enjoy his stoned ape theory.


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In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true is true or becomes true, within certain limits to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to be transcended. In the mind, there are no limits.- John C. Lilly

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: caman]
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He says a lot that it's only a coincidence he's sitting in front on the audience rather than the other way around. He always seemed very humble and wanted to get the word out about these things that can change the way you view the world for the better.
He was actually saying create your own world break free of the construct inside your head.
There's a cage that surrounds you and it's bars are inside of your head. 

Listen to some of his lectures on youtube. I thought like that too until I listened to 10 hours of Mckenna on acid. He was a skeptic who became convinced by "it" the "mushroom/dmt" that there is more to reality than he thought.
How is it fair to categorize someone based on other people's opinions on them?
If you slipped 100 years into the future would people look at you like themselves or like some sort of primitive?



If you think he was trying to be some kind of authority figure watch this 17 second long clip.





thewanderer25 said:
I just think we should make our own ideas and then share them with others making sure they know that its just your psychedelic experience and yours may be highly different than theirs. However feel free to follow him just know it may be better to form your own opinions than spout his.






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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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lessismore said:
thewanderer25 said:
All day long I hear about Terence Mckenna what he says does and advises and it disgusts me. To me psychedelics are about finding your own path they show you that its ok to be different and think differently and to follow what he says is just following somebody.

It seems so sad that we will listen to him and not find our own path through psychedelics. Is not the whole point of using an ego shattering compound to find yourself and find your own path? I just think he is a bad influence because people always quote him and his reasons for doing the psychedelics may be different than yours or mine so he really doesn't know.

I just think we should make our own ideas and then share them with others making sure they know that its just your psychedelic experience and yours may be highly different than theirs. However feel free to follow him just know it may be better to form your own opinions than spout his.


ANYONE is a bad influence, Alan Watts is just as bad an influence, if not more

Mckenna doesn't force you to see a certain way, he just tells stories of his adventures


Reading trip reports is the #1 destructive experience , next is watching tv/hearing radio , and being around people you feel bad around


Trip your own way, don't watch tv or trip reports


Dude, what?
Reading trip reports is awesome.
Whats the problem with it exactly?


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: Oeric McKenna]
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I've always seen Terence McKenna as a charismatic story teller than a leader or role model. He raised some good points, and I've always thought his stoned ape theory has some validity, but he had a tendency to get carried away for the sake of an appealing narrative. His brother Dennis would be a much better source of good advise, and as far as a role model goes, I've always admired Aldous Huxley. Timothy Leary was a far more potentially dangerous role model than McKenna IMO. He also had some good ideas, but his approach to spreading the psychedelic experience I find reckless and naive, especially considering his sway as an academic.

Also, I realize that one should avoid developing preconceived notions concerning psychedelics because of their subjective and abstract nature, but abandoning trip reports as an educational tool is foolish IMO.

Edited by Starless (07/15/15 05:00 AM)

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: drege]
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drege said:
I don't get you guys, he's dead and you do not like what he said, why make threads and reply to threads to agree that you don't like him…..


Contrarianism.
People get kicks out of pointing their fingers and claiming intellectual or moral superiority by rejecting something 'other'.

I'm doing it right now, by pointing that out.

But there is a pattern of certain people who take a particular drug heavily
being "contrived contrarian" more than most, because that drug increases their insecurity and dissatisfaction.
Spreading arguments is one way of sharing their misery around.

I think McKenna was mostly brilliant and amusing.
I find it ridiculous to suggest that a strong dose of shrooms is 'heroic', but it makes me laugh and I think I understand the sentiment.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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I'm not a huge fan of his but I do listen to a few lectures now and then and as far as I've heard he never advised anything at all. He speaks about his experiences and his theories. I also respect his opinions simply because he's 'been down the rabbit hole' as he likes to say. You're probably just upset because your friend is taking in some of his ideas. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. I think that we should look for individual answers, but a lot of times other people have reached a conclusion on a similar problem, nothing wrong with agreeing with them.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: Oeric McKenna] * 1
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Oeric McKenna said:
Dude, what?
Reading trip reports is awesome.
Whats the problem with it exactly?


Trip reports program your mind, and there are plenty of ego trip reports out there, they are more common than the non-ego ones

So they will speak to your ego, so you want to see the same as them, and preferably more

Then you come back and write just how much you saw

Then they trip again and try to see more than you

But it was all induced by your trip report, they saw what you told them to see

They now know they must take 50mg of DMT to see god


Trip reports can be dangerous, just like Joe Rogan/Mckenna can be to listen to
I like Mckenna for relaxed listening though, and he is not about ego usually, humble and polite and very casual to listen to as one of the few speakers, that's why I like him

But you could find many who will speak how 'spiritual' they got from just taking this drug, so now you must take same dose to get equally spiritual. Pseudospirituality. Pseudo new age stuff etc.


Trip reports are just bad for your mind, they stay there for long.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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Obviously there would be no problem reading trip reports if you didn't take drugs that destabilize your ego and focus on your subconscious...

But having a subconscious programming experience like that(reading report reports) just before your trip , makes no sense to me

Unless you want to condition your mind

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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You act like taking any drug or reading about any drug experience automatically programs your mind. It doesn't work like that at all. Reading reports will certainly influence your expectations and also the experience to a degree. But it's not a direct relation and no one is stupid enough to think this exact dose will equal these exact effects for everyone else.

Trip reports were a very useful resource to me when looking into psychedelics for the first time. I never would have trusted them or been interested otherwise. But I have enough personal experience now that reports don't have much influence on me, I know what it's like. Still, it's nice seeing some universal tripping traits expressed through other peoples experiences. They're relatable, but not programmable.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: Icon]
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Maybe he's not the best for psychedelic advice, but the rest of it is good. Culture is not your friend, create your own roadshow, reality is a conundrum, made of language, we could be like characters in a story, magic/fairyland is real...

and most of all he said...

GO OFF ON YOUR OWN AND TRY TO FIGURE IT ALL OUT BECAUSE NO ONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS HAPPENING

RADICAL FREEDOM IS THE KIND OF FREEDOM I'M PUSHING HERE, INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM TO STEER NOT ONLY ONE'S OWN LIFE BUT THE FATE OF THE SPECIES

completely contradicting your opinion of him.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: circastes]
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He WAS genius to some parts, and maybe slightly mad too, but definitely genius, he figured stuff out - and his way of wording things spoke genius - very gifted with communication :-)

Very good philosopher IMO , or shamanistic philosopher

I'd say his words are my words for the most, I haven't disagreed with him yet except his 2012 thing as the only thing

Very down to earth, and that's the beauty of schizophrenia, sometimes people with this 'sickness'/gift can be down to earth and very spiritual

I know another one with schizophrenia through my brother, and he is 99% like Mckenna, 5hr philosophies at night, reads wikipedia each night for 20 years and memorizes 100% then starts a 5 hour debate about each article (he is a bus driver) :-P

I like people who are that clever with words, and both Mckenna and that guy I know are that clever/brilliant with words

If everyone was questioning reality like Mckenna in our generation, our world would be very different, more awakened for sure , but maybe also too philosophical

That's the downside to the guy I know too, he can be MUCH too philosophical, he can't stop debating, but it's always very interesting thoughts

On the other hand I know another with schizophrenia who has completely random thoughts and it drives me a bit mad to be around him, too many thoughts, and not interesting either (he smokes weed daily - and I feel that is the cause... so he keeps getting more and more thoughts) . Very unpleasant for me to be around him sometimes, dunno why, and good at other times.


I really have no need for Watts, Mckenna says what I need to hear. Btw. I cannot read what Icon said as he's on ignore.

Positive people cheer me up, but not just positive, preferably down to earth too - positive is nothing worth if it's all up in the clouds with no grounding to Earth..

Edited by lessismore (07/15/15 11:02 AM)

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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Err...  make your own roadshow?

The guy wasn't a God but I don't think he acted like one either.  I don't agree with everything he says but I don't hate on him either.

I mean, he helped to popularize both DMT and Mushrooms.  Helped people learn how to cultivate mushrooms.  No, he's not God.  But he did a lot of good for the psychedelic community.

We shouldn't worship anyone and I get that there's a lot of hero worship when it comes to McKenna but come on...  Bad Influence?!?


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: drege]
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drege said:
“Half the time you think your thinking you’re actually listening”



That's pretty fuckin' deep right there..


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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I don't personally believe having followers was Terrence's goal. People will follow and recklessly exaggerate things always. From religion to rock stars. I personally think entertainment and psychedelic intrigue was his main rap. From everything I've listened to and seen he has consistently...

Never expressed his ideas as absolute truth.

Maintained that what he was expressing was through the filter of a human mind that was childish to the forces he was dealing with.

Added to and evolved the language and symbolism that we use to describe psychedelic experiences.

Was better than most at it.

So don't be a hater.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: wigglewak]
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Create your own roadshow as in create your own culture, live your own way. lol not to be taken literally.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: circastes]
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What was your point?

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: wigglewak]
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I think i'm just jealous the dude does the same shit I do and is famous for it but i'm getting probation and cops. FML im drunk ass piss.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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Well there ya go. I've been drinking too. :sun:

I would say seriously thinking about eating a gram of 4 aco dmt and starting a thread about it constitutes a bad influence.

But I'm not trying to be a dick. I've been there too man. It sucks having that over your head. I got through it with yoga and exercise  and seriously don't do stuff that can get ya on a drop. I did stuff, but I knew my time lines and I raaan and sweated until I passed CVS drops and if I didn't I'd run more.

It's worth getting through it and when it's over and some time goes by it begins to fade away. I don't think I'll ever be that carefree but eventually you'll feel less defined by it.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: wigglewak]
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What? Runing by CVS?
wigglewak said:
Added to and evolved the language and symbolism that we use to describe psychedelic experiences.



He did well using intricate and articulate language like someone else said "10 dollar words" Its really hard to skew or reinterperate his words to fit an agenda.

Know that Jesus guy? He was a little too vaugue and there was no video/audio recordning tech back then; Who knows what he was trying to say.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: drege]
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I'm not sure what "10 dollar words" means.

I am pretty sure that what people wrote about Jesus is pretty far removed from what he actually was saying. Aside from the treat each other nice thing.

I can't view that video for some reason. Is there a YouTube link?

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: wigglewak]
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It was a vimeo where I found it, I thought for sure it'd work like a youtube embedded video.

There's the straight link, in case its not embedding properly.
Someone back in like page on of this thread said he used a lot of "ten dollar words'
One that comes to mind is incorporeal, as in 'every one has the right to touch the incorporeal body of the godddess'


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: drege]
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Umm yeah but that's the deal he was entertaining. Making money.

And yeah eating 5 grams and smoking herb will  rock you, that was his whole point, not that it was the one and only path to enlightenment. I've heard the rap, it was in response to people complaining about sub intense doses.

Honestly if you are the type of person to eat 5 grams you are going to eat 5 grams if you knew about Terrence or not.

The dude went out there. Like way way out there. He was brilliant and motivated enough to describe his interpretation of his experiences, and was good enough at it to make money.

That's pretty awesome in my opinion, and I respect that. The psychedelic culture benefited by his influence.

Didn't he coin "machine elfs"?

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: wigglewak]
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My view is he was the embodiment of the mushroom persona. Very convincing, hypnotic, engaging, but really just a perfected smoke and mirrors act full of empty promises. The words appeared to make sense as he was saying them but really produced nothing, like a lot of "spiritual" ranting. Must say I bought it hook, line and sinker in the early days. Have to agree with this thread I think he made me a bit nuts! The trickster!

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: satch1234]
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You project your own mind onto him in what you say there.

If you see nothing worth in him, maybe you don't understand him

Don't diss Mckenna bitches, he's great, very entertaining and down to earth too, too unfortunate you cannot see it

A real philosopher doesn't say anything, he entertains, at least to me. What would philosophy be with endings?
I want lose endings, not science technobabble

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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With that, how do we feel about Bill Hicks?
He was a philosopher in his own right.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: drege]
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Bill Hicks is one of my favorite comedians, but I wouldn't call him philosopher or an expert on psychedelics. Hicks was all about getting people to think, not telling them what to think. He spoke the truth, but it's never a good idea to take a comedian too seriously.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: drege]
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drege said:
With that, how do we feel about Bill Hicks?
He was a philosopher in his own right.




I like him, didn't hear about him until now though

I don't go searching for philosophers usually, I just find what comes into sight, but I just searched a few of his quotes and it fits me well

Know nothing, it's all illusion after all, you see yourself ;-)

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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The brain can justify goodness and truthfulness

But the heart knows goodness and truthfulness, doesn't have to be justified

(some quote I made), but I suppose hicks could just as well have made it, his thoughts are mine it appears ;-)

i.e. the brain can make anything that is bad become good, so it gets its will, put on a facade

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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I didn't know Hicks was referencing McKenna back when I discovered him and listened to everything I could find of his, it wasn't till a couple years later I was listening to McKenna and when he said "5 dried grams" it clicked, I realized that this was the guy that Bill idolized in his meanderings about mushrooms.

You should invest some hard drive space to hold some of Bill Hicks material.
I'd call hiim a great man (more so than McKenna even) because he was a commmon dude, like most of us, he through watever mechenism was aware of the construct we all live in and thoguh he lived within it he liked to point it out to people and laugh at them if they drew a bank on what he was talking about; like the freebird guy.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: drege]
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Well I like Mckennas down to earth optimism too

Mckenna can be pretty humorous, he never forced anyone to take 5gs, only do it if you are not afraid of insanity ;-)

It seems we must go to insanity to be free sometimes... first when we have seen insanity in our own minds do we start to become free

I like Jim Carrey too, he seems kinda awakened too..

Sometimes it looks like Bill Hicks and Mckenna did maybe too much drugs , the way they act at times :P , just like Timothy Leary maybe... he got slightly crazy also

To be free looks crazy at times

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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Quote:
ANYONE is a bad influence, Alan Watts is just as bad an influence, if not more



Allan Watts was pretty interesting to me at first, but after more time listening I concluded that he's largely full of shit. The guy could talk and talk while saying very little - basically just stating the obvious or just talking fluff. I could poke holes in just about everything he says. You know he's spewing BS when he prefaces his next statement with "Which is to say.....". that's his lame, overused segue into blabber.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: Universe]
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I set my own course for destiny! McKenna will always be a favorite in my book! A true psychonaut.he's in my sig!!

      :wonka:


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: voodoochild1000]
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Walter White Is A Bad Influence  :ducklol:


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Universe said:
Allan Watts was pretty interesting to me at first, but after more time listening I concluded that he's largely full of shit. The guy could talk and talk while saying very little - basically just stating the obvious or just talking fluff. I could poke holes in just about everything he says. You know he's spewing BS when he prefaces his next statement with "Which is to say.....". that's his lame, overused segue into blabber.


Thats why he was invited to speak at campuses all over the world and received a masters in theology, yea, he just babbled. I'm glad you'r more conservative with your wisdom, ye with 555 posts on a drug forum.


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