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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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I don't personally believe having followers was Terrence's goal. People will follow and recklessly exaggerate things always. From religion to rock stars. I personally think entertainment and psychedelic intrigue was his main rap. From everything I've listened to and seen he has consistently...

Never expressed his ideas as absolute truth.

Maintained that what he was expressing was through the filter of a human mind that was childish to the forces he was dealing with.

Added to and evolved the language and symbolism that we use to describe psychedelic experiences.

Was better than most at it.

So don't be a hater.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: wigglewak]
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Create your own roadshow as in create your own culture, live your own way. lol not to be taken literally.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: circastes]
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What was your point?

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: wigglewak]
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I think i'm just jealous the dude does the same shit I do and is famous for it but i'm getting probation and cops. FML im drunk ass piss.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: thewanderer25]
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Well there ya go. I've been drinking too. :sun:

I would say seriously thinking about eating a gram of 4 aco dmt and starting a thread about it constitutes a bad influence.

But I'm not trying to be a dick. I've been there too man. It sucks having that over your head. I got through it with yoga and exercise  and seriously don't do stuff that can get ya on a drop. I did stuff, but I knew my time lines and I raaan and sweated until I passed CVS drops and if I didn't I'd run more.

It's worth getting through it and when it's over and some time goes by it begins to fade away. I don't think I'll ever be that carefree but eventually you'll feel less defined by it.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: wigglewak]
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What? Runing by CVS?
wigglewak said:
Added to and evolved the language and symbolism that we use to describe psychedelic experiences.



He did well using intricate and articulate language like someone else said "10 dollar words" Its really hard to skew or reinterperate his words to fit an agenda.

Know that Jesus guy? He was a little too vaugue and there was no video/audio recordning tech back then; Who knows what he was trying to say.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: drege]
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I'm not sure what "10 dollar words" means.

I am pretty sure that what people wrote about Jesus is pretty far removed from what he actually was saying. Aside from the treat each other nice thing.

I can't view that video for some reason. Is there a YouTube link?

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: wigglewak]
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It was a vimeo where I found it, I thought for sure it'd work like a youtube embedded video.

There's the straight link, in case its not embedding properly.
Someone back in like page on of this thread said he used a lot of "ten dollar words'
One that comes to mind is incorporeal, as in 'every one has the right to touch the incorporeal body of the godddess'


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: drege]
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Umm yeah but that's the deal he was entertaining. Making money.

And yeah eating 5 grams and smoking herb will  rock you, that was his whole point, not that it was the one and only path to enlightenment. I've heard the rap, it was in response to people complaining about sub intense doses.

Honestly if you are the type of person to eat 5 grams you are going to eat 5 grams if you knew about Terrence or not.

The dude went out there. Like way way out there. He was brilliant and motivated enough to describe his interpretation of his experiences, and was good enough at it to make money.

That's pretty awesome in my opinion, and I respect that. The psychedelic culture benefited by his influence.

Didn't he coin "machine elfs"?

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: wigglewak]
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My view is he was the embodiment of the mushroom persona. Very convincing, hypnotic, engaging, but really just a perfected smoke and mirrors act full of empty promises. The words appeared to make sense as he was saying them but really produced nothing, like a lot of "spiritual" ranting. Must say I bought it hook, line and sinker in the early days. Have to agree with this thread I think he made me a bit nuts! The trickster!

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: satch1234]
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You project your own mind onto him in what you say there.

If you see nothing worth in him, maybe you don't understand him

Don't diss Mckenna bitches, he's great, very entertaining and down to earth too, too unfortunate you cannot see it

A real philosopher doesn't say anything, he entertains, at least to me. What would philosophy be with endings?
I want lose endings, not science technobabble

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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With that, how do we feel about Bill Hicks?
He was a philosopher in his own right.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: drege]
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Bill Hicks is one of my favorite comedians, but I wouldn't call him philosopher or an expert on psychedelics. Hicks was all about getting people to think, not telling them what to think. He spoke the truth, but it's never a good idea to take a comedian too seriously.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: drege]
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drege said:
With that, how do we feel about Bill Hicks?
He was a philosopher in his own right.




I like him, didn't hear about him until now though

I don't go searching for philosophers usually, I just find what comes into sight, but I just searched a few of his quotes and it fits me well

Know nothing, it's all illusion after all, you see yourself ;-)

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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The brain can justify goodness and truthfulness

But the heart knows goodness and truthfulness, doesn't have to be justified

(some quote I made), but I suppose hicks could just as well have made it, his thoughts are mine it appears ;-)

i.e. the brain can make anything that is bad become good, so it gets its will, put on a facade

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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I didn't know Hicks was referencing McKenna back when I discovered him and listened to everything I could find of his, it wasn't till a couple years later I was listening to McKenna and when he said "5 dried grams" it clicked, I realized that this was the guy that Bill idolized in his meanderings about mushrooms.

You should invest some hard drive space to hold some of Bill Hicks material.
I'd call hiim a great man (more so than McKenna even) because he was a commmon dude, like most of us, he through watever mechenism was aware of the construct we all live in and thoguh he lived within it he liked to point it out to people and laugh at them if they drew a bank on what he was talking about; like the freebird guy.


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: drege]
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Well I like Mckennas down to earth optimism too

Mckenna can be pretty humorous, he never forced anyone to take 5gs, only do it if you are not afraid of insanity ;-)

It seems we must go to insanity to be free sometimes... first when we have seen insanity in our own minds do we start to become free

I like Jim Carrey too, he seems kinda awakened too..

Sometimes it looks like Bill Hicks and Mckenna did maybe too much drugs , the way they act at times :P , just like Timothy Leary maybe... he got slightly crazy also

To be free looks crazy at times

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: lessismore]
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Quote:
ANYONE is a bad influence, Alan Watts is just as bad an influence, if not more



Allan Watts was pretty interesting to me at first, but after more time listening I concluded that he's largely full of shit. The guy could talk and talk while saying very little - basically just stating the obvious or just talking fluff. I could poke holes in just about everything he says. You know he's spewing BS when he prefaces his next statement with "Which is to say.....". that's his lame, overused segue into blabber.

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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: Universe]
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I set my own course for destiny! McKenna will always be a favorite in my book! A true psychonaut.he's in my sig!!

      :wonka:


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Re: Terence Mckenna Is A Bad Influence... [Re: voodoochild1000]
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Walter White Is A Bad Influence  :ducklol:


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