ballsalsa said:

koods said:

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Shoddy Mexican labor? Lol. I think a lot of people prefer their labor after dealing with entitled, lazy Americans who rip them off with crappy quality workmanship

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Again, i don't know whee you live or what you do for work, but i am in the construction field.  My work is dead on nuts.  Every time.  Because thats how it is supposed to be.  I charge $800-$1100 to replace a water heater.  The heater itself costs about $500.  The other parts necessary for code tend to cost somewhere between another $50-$200.  so the labor cost to hire me to install a new water heater is about 200-300 bucks.  For that price, i will pick up the heater, drive it to your house, take out the old heater, install the new one, and haul the old one away.  That is cheap as hell.  My old landlord hired a guy off the corner to put in her new water heater, because she thought i was too expensive.  She had to pick up the heater.  He didn't have the tools or materials necessary to do the job.  He installed the heater on an unlevel surface with no earthquake straps.  He reused the old fucked up water supply lines.  He did not install an expansion tank.  He did not install a drip leg on the gas inlet.  He did not install a smitty pan.  He did not run the Temperature and pressure relief drain to the outside, or even to the floor. But he did it for $60.  This guy is a monster, who left the job in a completely unsafe condition, and when someone gets burned by the T&P or when it floods out the garage, the guy is gonna be nowhere to be found.
But i guess thats great because the homeowner got to "save" $140

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Ok great story, yeah you convinced me that everyone from that guys country is just like him. Hey if you make the guy black, you could totally reuse this in one of the pubs regular threads about lazy black people.

SirShroomsAlott said:

I agree with you on just about everything to be honest, and I don't have a problem with pedro feeding his kids and understand he's doing what he has to do to survive. But as a business owner I can't skip taxes and get away with it like pedro can, not only would I be breaking the law, I'd end up getting the IRS involved and into one giant clusterfuck that would end up hurting me even more.

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A LOT of illegals have their income withheld like everyone else because they are using fraudulent social security numbers. What they don't do is file a return and get refunds, and as low wage workers they probably never would owe very much in taxes to begin with.

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I wasn't trying to convince you that all Mexicans, Guatamalans, El Salvadoreans et. are lazy or bad or whatever.  They are just people trying to make a living.  However, in experience in the Los Angeles area construction field, i have seen almost daily examples of absolutely shitty, dangerous, work being done by illegals.  It's not that they aren't trying, its that they haven't been trained properly.  The problem is exacerbated by the fact that hungry people will say yes if you ask them if they can do _____.  You should try this sometime.  just head down to wherever the day laborers stand around in your neighborhood, pull up and when they rush your car, ask the first 2 guys if they know how to build a deck.  Then ask them if they can do plumbing.  Then ask them if they know how to hang drywall. Then ask if they can wire up a few recessed lights for you. The answer to these questions will be yes.  Pretty impressive right?  Illegals must be great at construction if they can master so many trades right?  My point is that i'm not against "brown people" i'm against shit work driving down the value of my excellent work.
In fact, its kinda pissing me off that there are people in here trying to imply (or just flat out accuse) that i'm a racist, because of this.  If we were talking about okies instead of mexicans, my point would be the same.

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rxb said:

qman if thats your idea of an education you really should go back to school.

you brought up an idea that in 1940 something there were x loop holes, backed it up with shit...all while attempting to counter a position that i was clearly NOT BEHIND.

thats a bunch of fails at once.

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Do you seriously think that the top earners in the US went 20-30 years of paying a 90% tax rate on their INCOME? 

Come on dude, the chart makes liberals warm and fuzzy, but it's COMPLETE NONSENSE.

rxb said:

man, you clearly have nothing to back up what you are saying... and i dont like tax solutions anyhow...

so why dont you either be a man and admit you over-reached or just quietly drop it.

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zappaisgod said:

I was born in the fifties you were born in the aughts.

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koods said:

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SirShroomsAlott said:

I agree with you on just about everything to be honest, and I don't have a problem with pedro feeding his kids and understand he's doing what he has to do to survive. But as a business owner I can't skip taxes and get away with it like pedro can, not only would I be breaking the law, I'd end up getting the IRS involved and into one giant clusterfuck that would end up hurting me even more.

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A LOT of illegals have their income withheld like everyone else because they are using fraudulent social security numbers. What they don't do is file a return and get refunds, and as low wage workers they probably never would owe very much in taxes to begin with.

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