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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Universal Truth
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Re: Universal Truth [Re: ]
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I think this is all true.

"Since the acquired desire for knowledge is a right desire, because it consists in wanting what everyone needs, the prescription "You ought to want to seek knowledge" is universally and objectively true-true for all human beings-because it conforms to a right desire that is rooted in a natural need."

But i also think that this belife is the root of all negative acts against one another be it human or non.



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Re: Universal Truth [Re: ]
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In certain drug-induced states, I know nothing.

And I like it!


Seriously, we are always perceiving. Through sensations we are always,on some level, acquiring knowledge.Knowledge through awareness. That is how perceptions are formed.


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Re: Universal Truth [Re: sirreal]
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Thats because the mind never can stop. If it did it would go away and you would die. But if you could block out the body and all sensations you could be one with the universe, because your mind can never be static because it is energy and engery can never go away: if the mind was static then it would not be a mind. This can only be done at death because the body can no longer stimulate the mind so the mind leaves and moves on.

"When a mind becomes static it is no longer a mind"

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Re: Universal Truth [Re: Grandmastafunk]
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Grandmastafunk said:
This can only be done at death because the body can no longer stimulate the mind so the mind leaves and moves on.



I don't quite understand this. How can the mind "move on" if it becomes static?

Are you saying that the energy dissipates and loses organised consciousness?


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Re: Universal Truth [Re: ]
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Just sounds like some funky semantics. It seems like you are just saying that ought = need. And that we need air, food and water. Then you clump knowledge in there, coming out with the statement that we ought to seek knowledge. I would say, no, we don't need to seek knowledge to survive on a primal level as animals. Maybe I'm just missing out on what you're trying to say, because its not very clear. You ought to want to "kill and dominate others because it is right by nature"? You can use the formula for anything instinctual, right?


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Re: Universal Truth [Re: sirreal]
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You know how energy never gets destroyed it just changes form or moves on. The same thing applies to the mind. When it becomes static from the lack of stimultaion then it can move on to some other form of energy. Your mind is a result of energy occuping your brain. When the brain or body dies the mind doesnt just stop it moves on..


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Re: Universal Truth [Re: bert]
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bert said:
Just sounds like some funky semantics. It seems like you are just saying that ought = need. And that we need air, food and water. Then you clump knowledge in there, coming out with the statement that we ought to seek knowledge. I would say, no, we don't need to seek knowledge to survive on a primal level as animals. Maybe I'm just missing out on what you're trying to say, because its not very clear. You ought to want to "kill and dominate others because it is right by nature"? You can use the formula for anything instinctual, right?



As biological life forms that must survive in a hostile world, gathering information is just as important as the air we breathe.


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Re: Universal Truth [Re: Grandmastafunk]
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Grandmastafunk said:
You know how energy never gets destroyed it just changes form or moves on. The same thing applies to the mind. When it becomes static from the lack of stimultaion then it can move on to some other form of energy. Your mind is a result of energy occuping your brain. When the brain or body dies the mind doesnt just stop it moves on..





I know.

I was just wondering what you thought it changed into. Does it just dissolve, or retain some of its identity?



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Re: Universal Truth [Re: sirreal]
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Yes, I guess that is true. Does that mean that 'oughts' can be applied to anything that we, as organisms, do naturally? For instance killing.


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Re: Universal Truth [Re: bert]
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bert said:
Yes, I guess that is true. Does that mean that 'oughts' can be applied to anything that we, as organisms, do naturally? For instance killing.



Anything that is essential for our survival would be considered an "ought" I suppose. Is killing essential for our survival? Could we survive without killing?

Killing could be considered an "ought not".


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Re: Universal Truth [Re: bert]
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I dont think that the energy retains any memory. The energy could be recycled it may turn into a match or the eletricity used to power your comp just where ever energy is. The water in a bottle is as old as the earth and older if you wanna go there. As many times as it has been changed and moved around it is still remains water.. Think of a Ice scuplture. When it is just made it serves a purpose which is to be visualy pleasing when it melts the ice sculpture is gone but the water remains.

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Re: Universal Truth [Re: ]
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can something that arises out of human instinct accurately be called a "universal truth"? I accept that instinct can be an objective basis for "truth", but I wouldn't call it "universal".

besides that I agree with what you said.


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Re: Universal Truth [Re: ]
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There is universal truth, but it is beyond the capacity of human language to describe it. Good and bad are like beauty, in the sense that even though it is hard to define exactly, and people's interpretation of it may vary somewhat, there is a definite, albeit indefinable and mysterious quality which makes something good or bad.


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Re: Universal Truth [Re: silversoul7]
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silversoul7 said:
There is universal truth, but it is beyond the capacity of human language to describe it. Good and bad are like beauty, in the sense that even though it is hard to define exactly, and people's interpretation of it may vary somewhat, there is a definite, albeit indefinable and mysterious quality which makes something good or bad.



What do you mean?

Are you saying that everything has an inherent "goodness" or "badness" to it? Is that the "universal truth" you are referring to?


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silversoul7 said:
There is universal truth, but it is beyond the capacity of human language to describe it. Good and bad are like beauty, in the sense that even though it is hard to define exactly, and people's interpretation of it may vary somewhat, there is a definite, albeit indefinable and mysterious quality which makes something good or bad.



What do you mean?

Are you saying that everything has an inherent "goodness" or "badness" to it? Is that the "universal truth" you are referring to?


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Re: Universal Truth [Re: sirreal]
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How do you plan to survive with out killing?? eat only Non-fertilized eggs and drink milk????

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Re: Universal Truth [Re: medicinebag]
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medicinebag said:
How do you plan to survive with out killing?? eat only Non-fertilized eggs and drink milk????



I never said that I had no plans to kill! I love meat.

But, yes, I think you could survive without killing. Unless you think a tomatoe is alive. Also, one could survive on eggs and milk.


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Re: Universal Truth [Re: sirreal]
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yeah I think most people would agree that a tomato is a living thing. we have to kill plants or animals in order to survive, just like we need knowledge to survive, so does that become a universal truth as well? that we ought to kill living things? because it applies to all human beings and is rooted in a natural need?

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