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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? [Re: redgreenvines]
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The mushrooms are thinking the same thing... Why have these humans co-evolved with us? and how come they eat us and not the other way around?!?!


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"Psychedelics should be used not to escape reality, but to embrace it"


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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? [Re: zouden]
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I'd like to gently remind you all that mushrooms aren't plants.


Mushrooms are more related to us than plants are though.

BEHOLD MY PROOF!


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? [Re: Cracka_X]
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we could argue this on about plants and the substances we extract from them.  Mescaline?? Ayahuasca??

Personally, I'd like to think that all things happen for a reason.  Saying this, I mean the world around us has a way of telling us what's going on.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? [Re: Cracka_X]
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Evolution happens randomly, the mushroom (unless extraterrestrial, thanks McKenna) came randomly out of the primordial goo just like everything else, it just came out with delicious goodies for us!


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"A human being is part of the whole, called by us 'Universe'; a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest -- a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

Albert Einstein

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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? [Re: Cannashroom]
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I understand and agree.  I kind of straddle the two sides believing in science and this ummm... tao...    which I guess could go hand in hand.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? [Re: Cracka_X]
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Cracka_X said:I kind of straddle the two sides believing in science and this ummm... tao...    which I guess could go hand in hand.


the tao isn't something to be believed in, nor can it be separated from science.  nothing, including belief is needed to realize the tao.  the tao cleanses the dust from the eyes so things such as science can be understood with greater clarity and an expanse of perception.

honest science imo is not about making assumptions about why things exist as they do, such as the process of evolution and being.  i don't believe it is purely scientific to make the assumption that life has evolved according one's conception of coincidence or randomness.  surely there may be elements of randomness that occur in evolution, but the process that is evolution itself most likely and obviously does not happen according to our concept of it.  this is what taoism has taught me, that it is futile to even relate conception with a process such as evolution when trying to understand it.  evolution is so macrocosmic and expansive that it is completely fruitless to even consider wrapping my conceptual head around.  the microcosm's dream cannot speak truth about the macrocosm.

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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? [Re: deranger]
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So basically you're saying this thread is pointless.

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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? [Re: Sleepwalker]
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there are many points in this thread :thumbup:

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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? [Re: Sleepwalker]
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Oweyervishice said:
So basically you're saying this thread is pointless.


I thought he said something like there's a million fingers pointing to it, but it can't be proven.  I agree.


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The best way to live
is to be like water
For water benefits all things
and goes against none of them
It provides for all people
and even cleanses those places
a man is loath to go
In this way it is just like Tao        ~Daodejing

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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? [Re: redgreenvines]
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    Arden said:
    Of course. Didn't you know the appendix is where the body converts psilocybin into psilocin? I thought everyone knew that.


I think you misspelt 'liver'



I was being very sarcastic.

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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? [Re: Lakefingers]
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Why?

Because.


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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? *DELETED* [Re: deCypher]
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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? [Re: Lakefingers]
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No, you're correct.  Why implies the pre-existence of a purpose that may or may not be there.


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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? [Re: deCypher]
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you guys are going on and on about semantics and evolution... You have to look at the bigger picture. immediately after the big bang matter began following the path of whatever it was that designed our universe. The chronological order of things is an illusion. Mathematically speaking, the path of every atom and molecule has been predetermined. Thus, synchronicity is demystified if you can wrap your head around what i am saying. It is no suprise that nature is full of plants that expand our consciousness. the better question is what or who pre-determined an existence of nature full of compounds that interact with our minds so profoundly.

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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? [Re: AdoreChampignons]
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AdoreChampignons said:
Greetings everyone.  I was thinking about this question for the longest time.  Why have magic mushrooms evolved into existence?  I find it oddly serendipitous for a mushroom of all things evolve to create a substance as psilocybin  that has such a profound effect on mammalian brain chemistry.  Is it just accidental?  Or, does psilocybin act as a potent deterrent to ground dwelling bugs that may injure the mushroom?  Or, does it attract bugs to help distribute its spores?  Or, does psilocybin give the mycelium a competitive advantage in securing food sources and fending off competing fungi? 

What do you think?


I think it's here for the same reason everything else is.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? [Re: Icelander]
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the rational mind tends to go like that---why did a cause b and then d and what about e? oh dear me. why should anything be

but although this tool may be useful, there are other dimensions of experience where things are not linear. things meet and exfoliate from common centres and arise together mutually

why is the grass green?

we don't even know how we see

but we do any how

Edited by zzripz (02/11/15 04:57 AM)

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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? [Re: BrainChemistry]
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BrainChemistry said:
Right..its the psilocybin. Guess i'm being loose the word "toxic".

I


The difference between 'toxic' and 'intoxicating,' is often just a matter of amount.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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If you've never encountered a reason to think this circumstance is designed by SOMETHING to SOME DEGREE, then you'll never really think of mushrooms being there for a reason, but if you see the design and purposes of what is happening you start to think these substances are trying to be symbiotic with us.

I don't think this universe is random and meaningless at all. It's also not perfectly designed, I can't see why one would think that. God certainly is some kind of entity in existence but I think we're one with it, we are Him. Consciousness is Him. What it's up to is anyone's guess but it all could be some kind of magic and we are just apes on the fringe of it all. No wonder things go wrong for us.


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My shield...
My armour...

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Re: Why Has the Magic Mushroom Evolved Into Existence? [Re: AdoreChampignons]
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If you take all of the biosphere in a global, and indeed cosmic perspective, you can see (on YouTube for example), "Lions and tigers and bears, Oh my!," living together as companions. There are all manner of symbiotic relationships that are possible, and as the late Stephen Gaskin once wrote, 'A man and a mushroom can get together and be more than a man or a mushroom.' Yes, a 'lowly' fungus, whose toxin is not as forbidding and deadly as the cyclopeptide toxins in Amanitas or Galerinas, can enhance the very quality of human life, alleviate certain psychological diseases, impart Cosmic Consciousness, and result in the sublime emotions of gratitude and thanksgiving to the Creator of all of this bounty. Living with an awareness of the Divine, in any idiom, expands the "natural man's" psychosomatic identity to its complete pneumatic psychosomatic form. Too many people are spiritually 'crippled' inasmuch as they never awaken to the realization that their mind-body derives from a spiritual source. Like the psychedelic pioneers of the 1960s, I also see psychedelics, like mushrooms, to be like the 'golden ticket' of Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. In fact, the MesoAmericans ate their mushrooms (Teonanacatyl, 'God's flesh') with Chocolate (Chocolatyl, 'Food of the Gods' [Theobromine]).


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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