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OfflineSole_Worthy
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The System
    #2102418 - 11/13/03 06:11 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

The System - if you wanna call it that?

How does it work? How does it all fit together?

Does God exsists? If so how does God relate to the creation?
Is there alternative realitys? How does all this fit together into a system?

I think I'm trying to say, What is going on?


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Offlinejiva
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Re: The System [Re: Sole_Worthy]
    #2102435 - 11/13/03 06:16 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

I hate to tell you but alot of the answers you're looking for can be explained lots of different ways. And they have. Lots of different ways at lots of different times. I would suggest finding the similarities between all of these explinations and from there start your own subjective exploration of reality. The best way to understand "god" or "birth" and "rebirth" or anything is to experience it.

As for experiencing it, I suggest drugs, meditation, dream work, projection, physical disciplines, and emotional dedications to name a few.


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Re: The System [Re: jiva]
    #2102588 - 11/13/03 07:00 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

ooh, the System as in Reality, not the System as in the Man or the Establishment. Riight. Good question. Hopefully someone who knows the answer stumbles across this thread and gives it up for us.


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Re: The System [Re: Zekebomb]
    #2102664 - 11/13/03 07:21 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

Dont know exactly what system your talking about but the system i do know is the one religious and political leaders created centuries ago. The one that uses the school system, misinformation, scare tactics, lies and the distortion of history to build control over the human race. The God we speak of today was created by this system. Many uknowingly work for the system and many would die for it, because defending that sytem is defending themselves, because there is nothing in their living mind that wasnt inserted by the system therefore they can only be defined as part of it. You are born given a number, a name, taken prints of and then raised by the system of control. In the system, financial advancement is considered success. But to advance financialy you have to be given documents that you were trained by the system and are under control. If you dont have these documents then you are enslaved into a chicken factory where you work ten hours a day, 6 dollars an hour to feed your family. There, you live the rest of your life untill you die or start questioning the system, at wich point you get busted for drugs and are removed from society. Leaving you no choice but to join the system so you can warn others of its existance. You come home to your computer and reply to a thread on a philosophy forum explaining the system that we are all victim of :sad:


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Re: The System [Re: Spokesman]
    #2102724 - 11/13/03 07:42 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

Well, there is actually ONE system. However, it is so complex and infinite, it is just fucking beyond...

I mean, there is all sorts of these little subsystems. What composes one single person. Families. Communities. Industrial systems. Governments. All of these branches, and they all connect somewhere. This is a mesh fucking network topology, people.

Think about the ecosystem. Interconnectedness. Everything. Fucking EVERYTHING has some connection to everything else. And we are only familiar with the small fucking branch that composes this Earth and the interactions and systems of its inhabitants.

What is GOD? God is the system. The whole system. The system has no end. It keeps branching out, things branching off of it.. through so many different planes. But the connections are what God is. God is the whole she-fucking-bang-bang.

The more people realize this, the more they look for this subtle thread that runs through everything, the more Enlightened they are. This applies to EVERYTHING. It is how our mind works. This image is attached to this feeling which is connected to this string of words. These strings of words connect to this sound and this word or string of word. You can follow any thought all the way fucking back to the first imprint ever made on your mind.

Interaction is a connection. Hell, interaction IS connection. Let's connect, people. Plug ourselves into the universe...
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Re: The System [Re: Sole_Worthy]
    #2102729 - 11/13/03 07:43 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

"What is going on?"

I'm not sure, man :smile:

Perplexing shit, eh?


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Re: The System [Re: Strumpling]
    #2102746 - 11/13/03 07:50 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

bravo fireworks_god


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Re: The System [Re: Sole_Worthy]
    #2102960 - 11/13/03 08:43 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

Dont worry too much about the system yet. It's all about the tango between your nature and the enviroments nature. Start at where you're at now, look at your inherent predicament, what do you percieve? Work from there.

Ask questions, seek truth. And dont forget to work the moments. Maybe you will find a god in you, or something mystical, whatever... Or maybe you'll just find purpose as a candle in the dark trying to stay lit. It's all out there.


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Re: The System [Re: Sole_Worthy]
    #2103122 - 11/13/03 09:23 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

no offense to you guys... but seriously... this is a pretty heavy question. any of you who answered it like you know are some arrogant mothafuckas. :tongue:




have a joint  :spliff:.


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Re: The System [Re: ]
    #2103128 - 11/13/03 09:25 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

mushmaster said:
have a joint  :spliff:




How do you think I initially started thinking about this?! :grin:

Seriously, though. With an open question like that, it allows us all to fill in our thoughts to share on the subject. This thread is basically a thought collector.
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Re: The System [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2105223 - 11/14/03 09:06 AM (13 years, 27 days ago)

Thanks everyone.

Maybe I shouldn't have called it "the system", but anyway. I think I have a good start to finding the answers, I just wondered if any of you had it figured out :smile:

Even though I have not experienced "all is one" I do have a certain amount of faith in that, after one mushroom trip.  I understood how I created the wheel, landed on the moon and taught that class I had in college earlier that day etc.

Something that gets me is why, if all is one,  separateness is experienced?

So what If I was to ask just the question about God and the creation.
Firstly what is God? and how does God relate to the creation. Is God the creator? What is the purpose of the creation?

Ta :P


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Re: The System [Re: Sole_Worthy]
    #2105308 - 11/14/03 09:47 AM (13 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

Sole_Worthy said:
So what If I was to ask just the question about God and the creation.
Firstly what is God? and how does God relate to the creation. Is God the creator? What is the purpose of the creation?





Well, the way I see it, God IS the Creator AND the Creation.

If I was going to bet on it, I would say that God is a being that has universes composing him, just like we do. That is why I say that I am God. I mean, billions of cells, god only knows how many particles composing those cells, and where does it end? The particles inside us are stars supporting life somewhere within us.

I think God IS energy. Everything is energy. No matter how infinitely complex everything is, the summation of it is God. I mean, everything that we know as our Universe (all of these stars and galaxies) could be existing within the space of a particle, like an electron or something.

I mean, size is definitely fucking relative. There is no reason that I see why I shouldn't think that all of this space between all of these stars is just a tiny speck that composes something else. Something else that exists in a Universe that is relatively the same size as ours is, although compared to ours, it is beyond comprehension.

This is what I see infinity as. Worlds within the margins, basically.
"In the margin of butterfly wings
Entire cycles of evoultion
Outplayed and faded
Sparked and leaned back into
Vacuum-filled nirvana"


But ja, IN FLAMES is definitely the fucking best. :grin:
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Re: The System [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2105355 - 11/14/03 10:05 AM (13 years, 27 days ago)

"I mean, size is definitely fucking relative. There is no reason that I see why I shouldn't think that all of this space between all of these stars is just a tiny speck that composes something else. Something else that exists in a Universe that is relatively the same size as ours is, although compared to ours, it is beyond comprehension"

While on one trip I thought of those russian dolls. The ones that fit into larger ones, then that fits into another larger one...

If the "system" is infinate, or at least VERY FUCKING HUGE then it apears that we could never see the system, from outside of itself, to get it worked out. I belive that wherever you are in this whole thing you have the ability to "get it worked out". all consionsness has the ability to experience enlightenment. For us here in this reality we were given mushrooms, the ability to synthasise LSD, meditation etc.


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Re: The System [Re: Sole_Worthy]
    #2105369 - 11/14/03 10:08 AM (13 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

Sole_Worthy said:
While on one trip I thought of those russian dolls. The ones that fit into larger ones, then that fits into another larger one...





Hehe, there is one downstairs. To take the Russian doll analogy further, I think that, of course, that the Russian doll is infinite. There is always one bigger one that it is being held in, and there is always one smaller than it that is inside. Not only that, but every single Russian doll itself is composed of an infinite amount of Russian dolls. Russian dolls in all directions, and even more branching off in all directions from those Russian dolls.

Now if they could just get their economy together... maybe they should start exporting more Russian dolls.
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Re: The System [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2106044 - 11/14/03 01:32 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

I'm guessing seperation is brought on by the ego humans have developed. As humans we are able to rememember past actions and plan for future ones. In this manner are able to recognize that we individuay build a "lifetime" of expiriances very diffrent from eachother. Forgeting that we are all just humans we each build our own belief system and families. Thus creating seperation. Our previous evolutionary states oviously dont display this type of behaivior very often... we live by it. But som of us do rememebr that we are all just energy. We can realize that we are all made of the same type of matter and our individual experiences in the flesh is ALL that seperates us. Wether we come to this realization on 5 grams of mushrooms, a massive LSD trip, meditation or just sitting stoned at the park on a fall sunset, this realization is quite beneficial in our quest for happiness.


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Re: The System [Re: Spokesman]
    #2106053 - 11/14/03 01:34 PM (13 years, 27 days ago)

Indeed. :grin:
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Re: The System [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2107960 - 11/15/03 12:25 AM (13 years, 26 days ago)

maybe god has seemingly separating himself into everything in an attempt to know himself by experiencing everything that can be. or
maybe god was lonely.
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Re: The System [Re: ZenGecko]
    #2108586 - 11/15/03 07:29 AM (13 years, 26 days ago)

Maybe God created The Sims and gave it an evolution code...

I mean, think about it. We have some the capabilities of a very powerful computer, much beyond the ones we are at now. Can you imagine taking a game like The Sims and giving it more complex programming, then letting it run its course? It would be Creation, damn it! :devil:
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