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What is nothing?
    #1900994 - 09/10/03 03:29 AM (14 years, 20 days ago)

hey all, im on codeine and in a philosophical mood lol, anyway a lot of times i`ll think of those questions that dont really have answers like what is nothing? Before the big bang, what was there? If u say there was nothing then what is nothing?is it just white blankness?no cause white blankness is white blankness, its still something! haha this probly didnt make much sense, as i said im on codeine and listenin to the lateralus cd...so any comments or other mindhurting questions would b interesting...thanks! :laugh: 


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Re: What is nothing? [Re: soulflyer]
    #1901002 - 09/10/03 03:32 AM (14 years, 20 days ago)

i suppose nothing would be the absense of something.


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Re: What is nothing? [Re: Strumpling]
    #1901013 - 09/10/03 03:39 AM (14 years, 20 days ago)

happiness runs in a circular motion, thought is like a little boat upon the sea, eveything is a part of everything anyway, you can be anyone if you let yourself be.


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Re: What is nothing? [Re: Infrared]
    #1901118 - 09/10/03 04:55 AM (14 years, 20 days ago)

that's a nice little mantra. :thumbup:


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Re: What is nothing? [Re: adrug]
    #1901122 - 09/10/03 04:58 AM (14 years, 20 days ago)

the universe is in the process of "the breathe out"  when it "breathes in" we will return to nothing until another superdense collection of matter becomes unstable and explodes into another universe, for another "breathe out". :smile:


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Re: What is nothing? [Re: LikwidDrawp]
    #1901165 - 09/10/03 06:19 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

Quote:

LikwidDrawp said:
the universe is in the process of "the breathe out"  when it "breathes in" we will return to nothing until another superdense collection of matter becomes unstable and explodes into another universe, for another "breathe out". :smile: 




I really like what you said. And, what will the moment before the "breathe in" be like, just like the exact moment when we are not breathing in or breathing out?

Anyways, what you said really supports the infinity within infinity thing, how planets are really atoms for something bigger... Check out my signature! :grin:
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Re: What is nothing? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1901175 - 09/10/03 06:32 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

The entire existence of anything ANYWHERE is just a complete bunch of random bull shit that happened to be. There's no point in trying to make sense out of it because even if there is an answer, are minds will never be able to comprehend and understand it. So fuck it, live your life to be the best person you can be, and accomplish something that helps the human race before you die.


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Re: What is nothing? [Re: ]
    #1901207 - 09/10/03 06:57 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

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EraserHead said:
The entire existence of anything ANYWHERE is just a complete bunch of random bull shit that happened to be. There's no point in trying to make sense out of it because even if there is an answer, are minds will never be able to comprehend and understand it. So fuck it, live your life to be the best person you can be, and accomplish something that helps the human race before you die. 




Thanks for your input, man. :grin:
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Re: What is nothing? [Re: soulflyer]
    #1901246 - 09/10/03 07:30 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

Nothing is the void, the empty emptiness.

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Re: What is nothing? [Re: MAIA]
    #1901396 - 09/10/03 09:39 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

> Nothing is the void, the empty emptiness.

By acknowledging nothing as something you are creating something from nothing.


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Re: What is nothing? [Re: Seuss]
    #1901442 - 09/10/03 09:54 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

Hi,

Sorry to barge in here you know.. but here I am and I hope I can turn more people into believers.

The scariest thing I can ever think of is that one day I might not exist. Now I mean in no shape, form.. whatever. That I might be nothing. This got me thinking a lot and whilst I cannot fully grasp this concept I believe this to be true:

There is NO SUCH THING as nothing.

The existence of nothing can be disproven very simply. Nothing is where not a single thing exists, no shoe, no bong, no "something". By quantifying "nothing" as "something" that exists we should remember that not a single thing nor concept exists in nothing, not even NOTHING. Nothing doesn't exist because if it did exist it would disprove its own existence.

Most of science agrees that the concept of infinity is much more plausable situation. In maths we use zero to depict nothing but zero is a very silly number. Consider 3 divided by 0, in maths we say that is equal to zero.. we divided 3 by 0?, if we divide something by zero we never divided it! and so on and so on. The more you delve into science the more you will see that humans have aquired little grasp of existence and what it all means. We probably never will. Our maths is merely functional, it does not accurately describe all phenomena.

Hopefully now I can grasp the fact that we are eternal and all pain is an illusion. Whether god/s exist/s is unimportant to this, there is no such thing as nothing. We will always be "something". I am not sure what. I spend my life thinking about what exactly I am, what is inside me.. it trips me out a fair bit. I don't do drugs more than about once a year and I probably think more like a tripper from straight thought than most. I wish I knew the secret. I wish I knew why I have the power to bend situations to my own will, why what people describe as optimism always seems to deliver the desired outcome. Who knows.

Have a great day.


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Re: What is nothing? [Re: utopianglory]
    #1901518 - 09/10/03 10:39 AM (14 years, 19 days ago)

> There is NO SUCH THING as nothing.

Within our dualistic reality, this is correct.

> Hopefully now I can grasp the fact that we are eternal and all pain is an illusion.

It is our dualistic reality that is the illusion.



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Re: What is nothing? [Re: Seuss]
    #1901713 - 09/10/03 12:16 PM (14 years, 19 days ago)

The absence of everything, known as nothing, cannot be acknowledged by anything existing.. Nothing is nothing. Quite the opposite of what we live in, everything. Thinking about nothing is like thinking about what is beyond the universe, or what was out there before the universe.. can't exactly wrap your head around it...

I suspose there might be some place where there is nothing, but that doesn't seem to make sense to me; if there is a place, that means it exists, when the concept of nothing states that nothing exists.. No space, no time, no energy... It obviously couldn't take any form, because having a form in any dimension or degree would mean it isn't nothing..

hehe, the rest of what I was posting here deserves its own post, as it wasn't directly related to the discussion of nothingness..
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Re: What is nothing? [Re: Seuss]
    #1901957 - 09/10/03 01:20 PM (14 years, 19 days ago)

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By acknowledging nothing as something you are creating something from nothing.




I'm not creating anything, nothing exists beyond my definition of the word. Using your perspective, defining nothing would be
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Re: What is nothing? [Re: MAIA]
    #1901984 - 09/10/03 01:31 PM (14 years, 19 days ago)

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I'm not creating anything, nothing exists beyond my definition of the word. Using your perspective, defining nothing would be
Quote:










Nothing could be defined, definitely, but I don't see any of us truly understanding the concept to correctly define it.. Us trying to define it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Nothing is the direct opposite of everything (or, i guess, "something"). Two completely opposite systems. Nothing can't really be understood or comprehended by anything within the system of everything, and everything can't be understood or comprehended from the other.. Nothing can't experience Something, and Something can't experience Nothing.
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Re: What is nothing? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1902031 - 09/10/03 01:51 PM (14 years, 19 days ago)

Nothing can be defined in several ways. I make code all day long and play with empty variables applied in conditions (i.e.).

abcd="" && contains nothing
If empty(abcd) && testing if it is empty or if it has nothing, which is true
abcd="something" && giving a value to the variable, it is nothing no more.
Endif

This is logic. Nothing, is then defined as empty if string, 0 if number and false if logical. So is it "nothing" possible of having a definition or not ?

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Re: What is nothing? [Re: MAIA]
    #1902086 - 09/10/03 02:05 PM (14 years, 19 days ago)

> This is logic. Nothing, is then defined as empty if string

Again, you are defining nothing in terms of something... in this case an empty string.

> So is it "nothing" possible of having a definition or not ?

In a "True" sense, no.  Any definition we come up with for "nothing" adds scope which creates a paradox when viewed from a dualistic mind.  This is why Zen monks wave fists, change subjects, walk away, etc.

I like the Japanese concept of mu, or no-thing... a lack of some-thing.  :smile:


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Re: What is nothing? [Re: MAIA]
    #1902092 - 09/10/03 02:06 PM (14 years, 19 days ago)

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MAIA said:
This is logic. Nothing, is then defined as empty if string, 0 if number and false if logical. So is it "nothing" possible of having a definition or not ?





Hhhhmm... What I have been talking about is complete nothingness. The concept of the absence of everything... The concept of that doesn't make any sense, really.

But, yeah, a definition is possible. It is a lot easier for us to say there is nothing in an envelope and describe what nothing means in that situation, of course, than to describe the absence of everything that has ever existed..
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Re: What is nothing? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #1902201 - 09/10/03 02:49 PM (14 years, 19 days ago)

"nothing" is beyond the realm of human experience. "what is nothing?" is unanswerable, except with theory and speculation.

the concepts of nothing and infinity are ones i often struggle to comprehend.


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Re: What is nothing? [Re: underground]
    #1902204 - 09/10/03 02:50 PM (14 years, 19 days ago)

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the concepts of nothing and infinity are ones i often struggle to comprehend.




Infinity is something that I have discovered a lot about, but there is no way of knowing how far these systems within systems go, in all directions..
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