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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: Stropharis]
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Thank you for this.. I learned more today than I have in the last 12 weeks.. :smile:


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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: Johnny51v3]
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Nice one stro!
Saving this..
Hope all is well with you

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: Stropharis]
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Very nice write up, I’ll be saving this

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: Stropharis]
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Thanks

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: Whanjohi]
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Totally filled in a ton of blanks for me! Thank you so much you are the best

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: Bigkendog35]
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:mindblown:

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: IamMatt]
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I can see clearly now! Stoked to get to work!

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: Stropharis]
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:jodie:


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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: ShroomTomb777]
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If i'm going from a spore print to agar, should i try to isolate from the first agar dish with multiple strains? Is it more successful/quicker to cut wedges that are multi spore and see what performs best when they fruit and clone from there?

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: IamMatt]
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I'm curious to learn the reasons behind the statement "bacteria is hard to isolate away from, but mold is easy."

I had assumed it was the other way around -- mold is spewing spores, which can sit invisibly atop the mycelia, while bacteria just sits slimy wherever it is. Is it because bacteria can be growing invisibly below the mycelia?

I just transferred from 3 contaminated plates, two had spots of mold, the third had no mold but several blobs of bacteria growing in locations not connected to the mycelia. I'll see in a week or two what the transfers look like.

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: Stropharis]
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Hello, I have a question on what is happening when you are doing the actual transfer. You show three pictures, opening on agar with the mycelium, and then the scalpel on the fresh agar. Are you actually taking any quantity of the existing mycelium or is simply the act of slicing the existing culture and the introducing that scalpel to the fresh agar enough to begin a new growth? Thank you, and if there is more explication already listed somewhere else I’m sorry that I missed it. I am just starting but am wanting to be patient and fully understand the process before anything begins. Great write up by the way it was mostly very easy to digest as someone still learning the vocabulary.

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: Mr. Boof]
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You cut a tiny little wedge


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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: cronicr]
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Operating under the assumption that we cannot get a true isolate with hobbyist equipment, what is the benefit of slimming down the genetics?  If I clone a mushroom to agar and spawn the myc to two different tubs with the exact same conditions, are the results going to be the same? Are they going to continue to be the same if I keep transferring and using the same clone's genetics for subsequent grows?

Has anyone out there with actual lab equipment created a true isolate that produces the same exact mushroom every time?


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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: unibrowscowl]
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We can easily make isolates in our sabs we have been doing it for decades


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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: cronicr]
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I hear you.  So they do give consistent results?

Then only thing that makes me question that they are true "monocultures" is this post from bod a little while back.

bodhisatta said:
denger said:
bodhisatta said:
No that would be the third way. By the time you see mycelium on a dish its long been dikaryotic if you streaked out spores



That depends on the density of the streak. If it shows single colonies with some distance between them they could be monos with some probability.



I purposely diluted spores down quite a bit then streaked them. Looked at with a microscope there's still just too many spores. And spores like to clump. If you could dilute spores and also keep them from grabbing a partner then maybe. But even using jet dry or other surface tension agents wasn't able to get spores broken apart enough to get monokaryotic growth no matter how hard I tried. I think it would take a micromanipulator scope to achieve single spore monokaryotic growth reliably

Even with hefty agitation you'll see clumps like this


Diluted and streaked


If you made a 10cc syringe with the smallest speck of spores you can see its still too many spores


Even at the hardly visible growth phase they're long dikaryotic from streak plates(not super diluted in this case)



Ive played around a bunch with germination and trying to get monokaryotic growth but i think its out of the reach of hobby equipment


Spores clump like madmen despite your best efforts to make them disperse evenly




Is it possible that "isolates" are a group of limited genetics that produce more consistent results then MS?  I still wonder if the genetics change as you transfer the master from plate to plate?  Or does it just get more and more limited as time goes on?


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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: unibrowscowl]
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In order to prove we don't have isolates you would have to prove that a fruit can contain more than one set of dikaryons in a fruit body which nobody can really prove or has so far


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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: cronicr]
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@uni I think you may be confusing isolate/strain/monoculture (in the genetic sense) with monokaryon/monokaryotic strain? When people here talk of isolates, they usually mean a dikaryotic strain that was isolated by cloning, not by isolating spores. (And after cloning, maybe subsequent transfers: but, as cronicr says, we don't know if they are required or would even work, if required: at least until someone points to a paper that checks the genetics directly.)


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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: curious.psychonaut]
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Thanks curious.

That makes sense.  I guess I just need to do some more reading up on genetics and how all that works.  I just did a biopsy on a good fruit and made my first plates a couple days ago.  Super good information to have.


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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said:
You cut a tiny little wedge



And just place it on the new agar plate? Does it need to be upside down or anything or will it be able to spread through the agar on its own?

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Re: Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar [Re: Mr. Boof]
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No matter how it will grow out, but faster if you place mycellium side to agar


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