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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: nxn]
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Well psychosis/schizophrenia is not genetic, says my psychologist. You may have seen someone overreact in childhood and this impression made that behaviour acceptable, if just unconsciously. If it's not genetic then it's not necessarily biological.

A lot of fucked up movies watched as a kid could probably do it.

I watched Saving Private Ryan in a cinema when I was like 8 or 9 hahaha. I reckon that fucked me up pretty good because every time I think of war I get kind of sick and depressed.


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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: circastes]
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circastes said:
Well psychosis/schizophrenia is not genetic, says my psychologist.


That's funny, because my textbooks have always said differently. If a parent has schizophrenia there is an increased likelihood that their offspring's will too.


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"It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and forget his own." - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"A room without books is like a body without a soul."  - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"Do not bite at the bait of pleasure, till you know there is no hook beneath it." -Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: dustinthewind13]
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Yeah I was actually told by my PSYCHIATRIST that there is a genetic loading, but my psychologist, from her experience, doesn't think so. Officially no gene has been found.


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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: circastes]
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You have to take into account that we don't know the genes for all diseases, but here is one example of a potential gene for schizophrenia, although the article proposes that more than one gene is to blame. It most likely has a genetic basis to it. It is categorized as a developmental disease, as in expressing itself as a result of a faulty "blueprint". I've also heard hearsay that schizophrenia peaks at around 20 years of age. The rest was from scientific articles that I will try and find, if you are interested. Probably not hard to find on the internet though.

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Schizophrenia is a debilitating mental disease that affects about 1% of the population. Like many other psychiatric disorders, schizophrenia is thought to involve the combined effects of multiple genetic components.1,2 Research, such as linkage analyses and association studies,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12 has not yet identified definitive genes responsible for the disease.

In a large Scottish family, a balanced (1;11)(q42.1;q14.3) translocation that segregated with schizophrenia and affective disorders with an LOD score of 7.1 was found.13,14 Disrupted-In-Schizophrenia-1 (DISC1) on chromosome 1 was identified as a novel gene disrupted by this translocation.13 Family members exhibited no distinctive features by which the psychiatric phenotype could be distinguished from unrelated cases.14 Moreover, translocation carriers showed a significant reduction in the amplitude of the P300 event-related potential, which was also observed in unrelated patients with schizophrenia.14 These findings suggest that disruption of the function of this gene may confer susceptibility to these mental disorders. A linkage report15 also indicated 1q42 as a possible locus for schizophrenia in a study of Finnish families.

In the present study, we performed expression and functional analysis of DISC1 to elucidate the pathophysiological role of this candidate gene for schizophrenia. We first showed the enhanced level of DISC1 expression in rat brain at a developing stage, and then the existence of DISC1 protein was revealed by an antibody raised against the predicted amino-acid sequence. Furthermore, we identified fasciculation and elongation protein zeta-1 (FEZ1) as an interacting partner of DISC1. The interaction of DISC1 and FEZ1 was associated with actin cytoskeleton and upregulated during neurite outgrowth.


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"A room without books is like a body without a soul."  - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"Do not bite at the bait of pleasure, till you know there is no hook beneath it." -Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: circastes] * 1
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I reckon that fucked me up pretty good because every time I think of war I get kind of sick and depressed.

And you equate finding war sickening and depressing "fucked up".  That's pretty telling dude. :satansmoking:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I reckon that fucked me up pretty good because every time I think of war I get kind of sick and depressed.

And you equate finding war sickening and depressing "fucked up".  That's pretty telling dude. :satansmoking:


I didn't even notice that. I'm proud of you circastes. :courtjester:


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"It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and forget his own." - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"A room without books is like a body without a soul."  - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"Do not bite at the bait of pleasure, till you know there is no hook beneath it." -Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: dustinthewind13]
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I am the fooliest fool in fool land.


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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: circastes]
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word


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: circastes]
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circastes said:
I am the fooliest fool in fool land.


No fucking way! :kingcrankey:


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"It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and forget his own." - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"A room without books is like a body without a soul."  - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"Do not bite at the bait of pleasure, till you know there is no hook beneath it." -Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
I reckon that fucked me up pretty good because every time I think of war I get kind of sick and depressed.

And you equate finding war sickening and depressing "fucked up".  That's pretty telling dude. :satansmoking:


This is what happens when you let your kids watch R-rated movies. :omgz:


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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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You want to see the R-18 movie about the greatest atrocity in human history? Okay son.

*boat opens*

*slaughtered by machine gun*

*headshot*

*dragging half a body*

*burning alive*

Meanwhile I'm being shocked by every sound and shit. Hahaha. I honestly think that I need to still recover from that.


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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: circastes]
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And many live that shit out.  No wonder humans get crazy mad.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Icelander]
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i'd say you can run into illness on the spiritual path because you can strip so many mental layers assertions assumptions away that you end up with only you - then, full of yourself, you see that it could be just you
or could it really
you get confuses
then you need to heal
when you hit rock bottom you need to be very careful (which you probably were, but that too might have mistakenly been thrown in the garbage can) and you need to either try to get past it (the insanity) or let yourself submit to a mental hospital where they lock you up till youre fresh again - if you can


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Make love not war
And art
Save the planet
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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Ferdinando]
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This place is my mental hospital.  :itwasgoodforme:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Icelander]
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Same, and it is the only hospital to help me rationalize and expand my recreational drug use. :thumbup:

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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Memories]
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You are my favorite basket case.  :sexymeow:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Ferdinando]
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Ferdinando said:
i'd say you can run into illness on the spiritual path because you can strip so many mental layers assertions assumptions away that you end up with only you - then, full of yourself, you see that it could be just you
or could it really


Realizing who I was was the most detrimental thing to my health. :courtjester:

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you get confuses
then you need to heal
when you hit rock bottom you need to be very careful (which you probably were, but that too might have mistakenly been thrown in the garbage can) and you need to either try to get past it (the insanity) or let yourself submit to a mental hospital where they lock you up till youre fresh again - if you can


I got past it by accepting I was not who I would have wanted to program myself as. God is such a shitty programmer.


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"It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and forget his own." - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"A room without books is like a body without a soul."  - Marcus Tullius Cicero

"Do not bite at the bait of pleasure, till you know there is no hook beneath it." -Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: dustinthewind13]
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haha, someone said that he experienced some suffering which led him to experience his own true inner nature (the one we see as general for all being(s))
I think we get shaped and then see our flaws and then revert (is that a word in english?) :smile: it's a transformation ofcourse and we progress and find our true nature (something like that)


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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: Ferdinando]
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yes it's a word!
and this experiencing of one's own true nature(*), ahemmm,
this experiencing with mindfulness,
yes a transformation, but a natural one and a relief to a large extent from circular thought pattern habits.




(*)i asterisk 'true nature' because that term "true", by being a philosophical term, is subject to circular argument etc. while mindfulness gently penetrates circular patterns.


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Re: Is psychosis a spiritual illness [Re: redgreenvines]
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The psychosis is thinking you exist at all... a really good story is one about a monk who was meditating and asked God, "God, I'm really sorry, I love you so much but I'm starting to doubt your existence." God comes to him and asks if he would like a hint and indeed he did and God said, "It's not my existence you should be contemplating."

Moral of the story is...

You at the imagination of God, and you can only do what he imagines you would. You don't exist. You are an illusion God created because he was all alone and went crazy.


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